We're saying goodbye to global restrictions based on SCP and CCP (announcements)

submitted ago by Atko

SCP and CCP no longer play any role in your ability do submit links/start discussions or vote. You can now downvote as soon as you create an account. Please note that you can only vote once from a single IP address (voting IP addresses are stored encrypted and we have no way to reverse this encryption). We are still tweaking this so please report if you notice anything unusual about voting.

Edit: The biggest reason for this change is that I noticed how multiple subverses had "please upvote me" threads where their members were able to gain 300+ CCP in matter of minutes. At the same time, regular users would need weeks or even months to reach this level. That essentially broke the old system and we need something new. Perhaps requiring new accounts to create 100 comments in 100 different subs before being able to vote 100 times? If you have an idea, please feel free to share it, I'm all ears.

Edit 2: Here is an example of the problem I am trying to tackle:

  • a large corporation which has hundreds or thousands of employees, comes over to Voat and pushes their advertising links to the frontpage because upvotes are not restricted for new accounts as much as downvotes
  • at the same time, majority of Voat users today does not have the ability to downvote or has restricted downvotes

Edit 3: This is now reverted to the way it was. I need to think this through.

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solaceinrage ago

I kind of liked people having to actually contribute first instead of spending all day downvoting anything they disagreed with with zero input. Even if they were just playing along, for a short time they had to actually argue a point and present their case to get those in agreement to upvoat. I understand why it wasn't perfect since it was easy for fringe subs with enough members to circlejerk themselves to 100 in short order with throway comments like "hi lulz" but it still made for thousands of people digging deep to actually create and express themselves to reach 100, and now I worry that initial burst of output will equal less interesting comments and submissions.

OneZero ago

All it did was provide an effective way for the majority to silence the minority. Posting just to get hivemind upvotes does not contribute anything of value to this site. Personally it did NOT make me want to "dig deep" to contribute. It just made me want to go back to Reddit where my account will not be crippled just because I post an unpopular opinion.

AberdolfLincler ago

I don't get how this makes sense to be honest. On Reddit, the hivemind is way stronger than it is/was on Voat, you have to be much more careful about offending the hivemind. People on Voat didn't downvote nearly as much, because they knew they had to respect that it wasn't a disagree button. You had to use it sparingly, on posts that you felt truly deserved it.

I've probably only been downvoated a handful of times on Voat, maybe once below zero. On Reddit, it happens constantly, over the stupidest things too. It doesn't seem specific to me either, because the votes are visible here, we can all see how rarely people downvoted.