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EIMR ago

I don't like this. This stopped new groups from brigading and taught that downvoting is important, not to be used indiscriminately as a disagree button. I don't see anything good coming from this.

EDIT: @Atko , what will happen with subverses that decide to continue having the CCP Requirement? Will they still be out of v/All?

Novius ago

I still think we actually just need a separate "disagree" left/right-vote, that's displayed next to the vote but otherwise doesn't enter into any metrics. (Disagree|Agree[up]|Spam[down]) rather than (up|down). people want the effect of a disagree button, being visible number of dissatisfaction, and we should just concede that on our terms.

However, @EIMR is right and @Atko is making us more Reddit 2.0 and so less Voat.

glimmandenymf ago

I don't want a disagree button. When someone think I'm wrong about something I want them to point out why or make a counter argument. A simple -1 doesn't lead anywhere.

EIMR ago

True, that is a problem, but right now I don't really think we are starving for comments. However, how about that for every 10 disagrees, you must post a comment?

Novius ago

You cannot fight human nature, people are going to pick the cowards way out. Reddit admins get downvotes, circle jerks subverses form because of the -CCP got from disagreement from the consensus. I've not being an ideologue arguing for best of all worlds, I'm being pragmatic and not choosing to fight human nature. You make people work in large numbers by focusing their impulses into safe-zones, not be arguing with them as if they are a single person you can bring around eventually.

Please don't think I don't like your idea, I wish we could live in that world too. I'm just trying to live in this one, the world is going to be the world and we must all learn to live with that. Maybe I'm a pessimist falsely trying to make the great not the enemy of the good, but I think my plan will work?

glimmandenymf ago

Fighting human nature is exactly what I want to do :) Maybe it's foolish. Human nature is not prepared for this new globalized world, but it's not going away. So we have our biases to make sense of everything, and it's not always working that well. I think we have an opportunity to explore new ways here, maybe just to get new heuristics, but hopefully something better.

Novius ago

Well, hopefully you succeed and I'm the fool. I'd rather live in your world to be honest! :)

keep in mind though, SRS were all 18-30 American White-male "Sociology is science" Only-1year-Redditors. That means that the more you make Voat about learning and fitting, the more a random demographic suddenly immigrating unbalances you.

I hope Voat works and I know I should be more optimistic. :)