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RustySpitoonBouncer ago

BATTEN DOWN THE HATCHES

abpples ago

Voat's new censorship

Downvoating is what reddit uses to silence dissenting views.

People don't typically upvoat, even if they like something. They will just look at it.

But when people get butthurt or see things they don't like they DO DOWNVOAT. You're assuming that people use both buttons the same way.

Voating is a censorship tool because it doesn't depend on rational argumentation. It only depends on CONSENSUS. That's why SRS use downvoat brigades because they know it's only purpose is to censor content they don't want seen by others.

Look, our entire political system should make it more practical. We don't let everyone vote in elections for a good reason: we know that retards are the majority of people. You want Bill Gate's educated vote negated by some homeless retard on the street? That's EXACTLY what democratic voting does. That's exactly what the movie Idiocracy was about. When you give everyone an equal say, you negate the point of education. You negate the point of rational argumentation. If a baby can negate the vote of an adult, then you don't really need to learn how to think. All you need to do is make people agree with you. And bribery is the fastest way to agreement.

Since people tend to downvoat when they're butthurt and engaged in censorship, the best way to combat censorship would be to only allow UPVOATING since people will actively have to champion what they believe rather than focus on what they want to complain about and censor. You can look at upvoating as positive censorship since it at least puts the burden on the upvoater to be accountable to their views and say what they prefer instead of simply complaining about what they don't want.

Stating what you want to happen takes EDUCATION AND EFFORT. Complaining about what you don't want just requires the ability to be butthurt.

I'd rather err on the side of positive censorship if we have to censor at all. We already know how negative censorship turns out: it becomes reddit.

At least positive censorship requires EFFORT that keyboard warriors aren't willing to invest. So if we want to make this place different from reddit, we should ONLY have an upvoat button.

And while we're at it, let's remove the scores from the profiles so keyboard warriors who are already socially retarded don't start jerking off to their fake internet power.

TheGo2SWATking ago

Oh, fuck off. You've posted this in multiple threads already. Stop spamming the same paragraph over and over again. No one cares. You will change nothing.

zambeezy ago

Guys, this is all he ever comments. It's spam. Report, downvoat, and move on

jace_barret ago

It's funny how I've had to re-read this post multiple time to finally understand what you meant but after dealing with a bad day, I finally get it.

Here's to step one of being a more active user.

boot13 ago

Exactly. Hacker News only allows upvotes, and it seems quite civilized. I don't care much about the scores either way though.

burning_code ago

VOAT PLEASE BE Up July 10th. I know winter is coming but I promise not all of us wildlings happen to be trolls. We seek a new home. For me I just want a place to discuss the news uncensored. Please allow the Forum to prosper.

Teh_Sauce_Guy ago

Can you stop fucking spamming this everywhere you fuckstick?

Everyone_but_you ago

You seem very angry. You should calm down and stop being so mean.

Zbruh ago

Can you clarify what SRS is exactly?

abpples ago

SRS = shitredditsays aka Social Justice Warriors aka Liberals aka Feminists.

Zbruh ago

Ah, alright. Thanks!

escape ago

And while we're at it, let's remove the scores from the profiles so keyboard warriors who are already socially retarded don't start jerking off to their fake internet power.

That's easily done with CSS on a per subverse basis.

abpples ago

it shouldn't rely on CSS. it should be inherent to ALL of voat since it will disincentivize the keyboard warrior faggots from drolling after "achievement unlocked" internet circlejerking over imaginary internet points.

twothreeskidoo ago

Would be nice if there was a way to force people to read the content before voting too. But I don't think there is a way that would actually be possible....unless we do some Clockwork Orange shit to force them to read stuff.

GiraffesRloose ago

I agree with most of what you said but I like seeing my karma. It makes me feel nice to see that people are interested in the same things I am and I think that adds some incentive to post worth while content. I do think that more people downvote than upvote but I can't see a system where one exists without the other. If there were only upvotes then this would be Facebook.

rallldywe2 ago

You will know by their responses if they are interested in you. If you're relying on points to feel relevant then you're already a fucking loser in life.

GiraffesRloose ago

And you're obviously a dick head both in real life and on the Internet! Congrats, your life has balance.

GiraffesRloose ago

You're so edgy bro, I want to be like you when I become retarded

Nismo ago

Better yet, DON'T FUCKING KEEP THE POINTS NEXT TO THE PROFILE. Just keep the upvotes in the thread and don't carry it on, so people don't constantly make up fake annoying shit just for upvotes.

abpples ago

That's an ever better idea.

MaMaPyCb ago

I disagree, but this system where you have to participate and use voat for a bit, not just lurk and have access to downvoats it pretty good.

abpples ago

it's only good until everyone has the downvoat. You're obviously not thinking ahead.

Unchosen1 ago

You again!

abpples ago

/BUTTHURT!

588459? ago

I sort of agree with you, but a few points need to be brought up. I also feel that most people will only downvoat if they are particularly butthurt about a comment, this is a problem with having a downvoat system. However, while this can censor some particularly good content that is just an unpopular opinion, it is also a working method to send trolls the bottom of the page and discredit them. If you want to see what a place looks like without a good working downvote system, take a look at the wasteland of the YouTube comments section. Comment wars are rampant and the "uneducated" are still allowed a vote and even might be considered to have a greater effect. This may also be the reason copy pasta comments like the "This comment is damn fancy" still pop up and are heavily upvoted. So I sort of agree with you, but I have a few counterpoints.

Tjoflojt ago

I can hardly begin to tell you how wrong you are - of course Bill Gates' vote should weigh as heavily as the homeless persons; no more, no less. That's the point of democracy. When you let an "educated" elite decide what's best for everybody, they do what's best for themselves, and fuck the rest.

Regarding voating, regardless of whether or not you allow downvoating, the dumb masses are going to decide who gets the most visibility. Countless sites without downvoting have shown that this just leads to the most popular contributors getting ahead, regardless of the quality of their submissions.

Zevudus ago

Plot twist: /u/apbbles is actually the cowardly faggot keyboard warrior who is soooooo brave and righteous behind his mommy's keyboard, but not so smart in person when the other party can answer back.

Yazi ago

When you let an "educated" elite decide what's best for everybody, they do what's best for themselves, and fuck the rest.

Not necessarily true, just true right now. Monarchies have overall been very good systems. The elites there didn't often just fuck the people over. The problem is that the 'elites' of today's societies are shitty people. The politically-uninclined majority is hardly fit to make the country's decisions. That's why Obongo is in office. That'd be why Hillary succeeds if she does indeed. Democracy is a broken, feel-good concept just like SJW-ism.

I think you're right about the downvoting bit.

Archersterilng ago

A racist slur about the president of the United States in a comment dismissing democracy? Why am I not surprised?

Yazi ago

racist

Evening, Bronstein :)

Good work on the tangential dismissal, comrade, that'll surely heel this bourgeois bastard. For the proletariat! Gulag!

LMAO

Archersterilng ago

Are you seriously going to tell me that "Obongo" is not a racial slur? Seriously?

Edit: I'm not some SJW trying to tell you that racism is prejudice plus power or some bullshit like that. But stormfront politics aren't any better.

Yazi ago

Not necessarily. That didn't cross my mind when I wrote it, lol, but that's beside the point. It's all beside the point. The term Obongo is beside the point entirely.

Stormfront is boring. I don't go there. Reaction doesn't imply stormfront lol.

Why wouldn't I dismiss democracy? Is there a reason to defend democracy? I know there's the social pressure of ideological purity, but to me that doesn't trump the reality. And the reality is that since we morphed into a democracy, our leadership has been shit.

emtpayislow ago

Agree

Alaknar ago

So I just registered to tell you that you are confusing "censorship" with people's free will and their right to ignore instructions and do as they please.

Pretty much everywhere (on the other place) there are pop-ups informing that the downvote button is NOT to be used as a "I disagree" or "I don't like your opinion" button, but people ignore that. They can, because they have the right to.

Censorship, on the other hand, is the suppression of free speech. If you write about all the shadowy, not really explained things in the life of a certain CEO and her husband and that information is deleted (even though it's relevant to the discussion and does not contain false accusations), THAT'S when you can talk about censorship.

UpVoat100 ago

You got it wrong, SRS took over the site because rules were applied unevenly. Either nobody should be able to brigade or everybody should be able to. When you allow only on sect to flip votes and raid subforums you are going to have issues. If people could retaliate, then things would of reached equilibrium.

hotgirl ago

Good hypothesis. Do you have any evidence to support it, or is this just conjecture?

Totentag ago

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dannyduchamp ago

First of all, no, everyone's voat should be the same. I mean, who's gonna decide who gets a voat and who doesn't?

Second, downvoats stop bad ideas that a few fanatics are in favour of from being considered the same as good ideas that every reasonable person is in favour of but nobody's particularly interested in.

Good ideas aren't always exciting and so won't get many voats, so we need to be able to downvoat the bad ones.

plumsound ago

Look, our entire political system should make it more practical. We don't let everyone vote in elections for a good reason: we know that retards are the majority of people.

I almost stopped reading after that. I hope this post is a joke.

Shin_Kicker ago

One would hope, but I've seen this same diatribe posted multiple times in different threads.

plumsound ago

Oh, is it just copypasta then? I didn't even know this one if so..

abpples ago

you're obviously too fucking stupid to even grasp how politics work. put your head back up your asshole little girl lol!

hamsalamibacon ago

Funnily enough there aren't any achievements for getting a high downvote count so you can stop now.

plumsound ago

Democracy is everyone having a say. A Republic (the word you should have used when discussing the current political system in the U.S. - or oligarchy) is a representative democracy and the current state of affairs in this country is proof that it doesn't work. Voat is designed to be a true democracy - everyone can vote. Your entire argument is the dumbest thing I've read on the internet maybe ever.

waspbr ago

Downvoting has its merits, it mitigates the spreading of bullshit and FUD. Facebook for instance is full of that. I am not saying that downvoting does not have its downsides, but I reckon they are more than eclipsed by its advantages.

abpples ago

You have to be an utter fucking moron to think that Facebook is comparable to voat. First of all Facebook is one of the most heavily censored mediums on the planet. /facepalm

fucky_offson ago

You keep using that word, censor. I don't think you know what it means.

So fuck off, kill yourself, and stop shitting up the universe.

neel_diamonds ago

permit me to disagree.

abpples ago

you can disagree all you want, just don't become a censoring faggot keyboard warrior using a downvoat to remove dissenting views.

ScrotBallBaggins ago

I would like to downvote this fella, but I have zero comment contribution points. If 100+ people upvote this completely idiotic comment, I'll be able to add one more negative number to apples' homophobic drivel. If you don't upvote me, the world will just have to assume you're either a gay hating bigot or a person with the keen ability to see through some high-ass idiot's shit psychology. So...Do you hate gays?

Lgrw1926 ago

So how else am I supposed to tell you that you're wrong?

Zbruh ago

Leave a comment.

abpples ago

words? ... i know it's a difficult concept for children to grasp, but that's why words weed out the children who are too dumb to voat anyway.

hamsalamibacon ago

You point is not worth having to use words to disagree with, downvoted!

Zbruh ago

Hahaha yeah, that's basically it. How people think is so childish.

Omega-Xi ago

And how is hurling insults at someone simply for disagreeing with you any better? I really don't understand this at all, people are so defensive about their position this seems to be the only way they feel they can articulate their points, I find it very disappointing.

abpples ago

so funny how keyboard warriors like you get sooooo butthurt and become professional victims over words. time to grow a spine.

hamsalamibacon ago

Says the person who gets butthurt over downvotes. Like wtf man? Playing the victim now?

Zevudus ago

Found the dickbutt

CNFR ago

I liked the part where you defended your points accurately rather than resorting to baseless ad hominem attacks.

icenine ago

the manhood101 troll becomes ever cleverer.

icenine ago

Does that mean you're challenging me to a live debate now? I hear you're great at those.

Zevudus ago

And here in exhibit A, we see the moron posts the same comment twice.

Unchosen1 ago

time to make another new username?

abpples ago

time to cry like a faggot? lol! http://i.imgur.com/VFD9vba.jpg

RatRod ago

Facebook figured this out a long time ago.

abpples ago

Facebook censors content from the admin level. Voat is fighting against that.