I just rolled out a new, rather controversial feature which should help get some of the shitposters which voat attracted over the past few weeks under control.
How this works
- If a user has -50 CCP or less, they will only be able to post 5 comments per day until their CCP improves.
- If a user has -50 CCP or less, they will only be able to submit 1 discussion or 1 link per day until their CCP improves.
Why do we need this?
There are voat users with CCP at around -300 and these guys submit 20+ links per hour. While voat userbase is relatively small, allowing shitposters to run free and post copypasta crap day in and day out, may have negative effect on legit users.
This feature may be seen as as a tool to limit free speech (voat moto is "have your say" after all), but free speech doesn't mean that everyone should be allowed to post endless copypasta crap all over voat in matters of minutes and thus impact the free speech of other users as shitposting copypasta crap will push down submissions of other users from /v/all/new and as such, if left uncontrolled, have a negative effect on freedom of speech of other users.
I don't care about the kind of content is being posted, as long as the content being posted is legal and not being spammed all over voat. If you want to get your message across, why not try doing it in a thought-out manner, discussing the topic, letting other users chime in and taking it from there, rather than just shouting your message across random subverses?
Now what?
I will keep this feature operational as a test-run to see how it works in practice.
Please feel free to discuss this and tell me how you feel about this.
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creep ago
I'm reserving judgement until I see it in practice, but does CCP always indicate "shitposting", or can it indicate unpopular opinions being buried when the site gains more of a userbase? Will people who simply go against the flow be muffled until they fall in line? If a user is at -300 CCP, how long would it take to gain 250 CCP at 5 posts per day? I'm not a very active user, but it's taken me many months to get nearly 90 CCP.
Atko ago
A valid concern. However, vice versa is also possible - with spam burrying all other opinions if left uncontrolled. I guess this one is lesser of 2 evils as unpopular opinions can still be posted every day by the same user.
creep ago
Is there a way for the software to scrutinize and identify shitposts?
If they are rapid-fire submissions throughout a day, would that look very different than someone getting hit with a one-time -3000 CCP brigade with intent to silence?
Would a habitual shitposter appear different than someone who had a good post history and was legitimately downvoted to oblivion in a single incident?
What about someone whose entire post history is being downvoted by a brigade? Can brigading activity be detected and blocked?
NinjaPoolboy ago
What is a "shitpost" anyway? It sounds like one of those SJW code words used to control thoughts and ideas though censorship. This is why I left Reddit. It always starts with an proclamation to fixed something that is not really broke all based on an ideology. Uhg.
Thjoth ago
A shitpost is simply a post with no value. It may or may not also be really stupid. There can be fun shitposts ( /r/eve is full of them) but most of them are just shitty memes and spam.
NinjaPoolboy ago
It's sounds like some type of comment "correctness," if you will. I just don't think those posts necessarily lack value. Most posts have value to the person posting them. (Sans Spam) Who is to go around deciding that posts aren't valid because of that persons own posting ideology on how a community should conduct discourse?
It's this very act of trying to quantify posts and get rid of the ones that don't meet such standards that is so bad for community's like Reddit and Voat. I really don't want to see this behavior adopted here site-wide. People need to voluntarily improve there posting skills, And you have to remember that posting in intellectual ways is much harder for some than others.
Isn't down-voting "shit-post" enough? I always thought it was. I don't think we should classify spam is shit-posting, they aren't natural human posts in my opinion. Spam can be deleted without much controversy because it is not part of the conversation. I have never seen someone refer to spam as a "shit-post," Spam is a much worse designation. It seems to me that personal only short "chime-in" type comments are usually branded the "shit-post" moniker.
Why must everyone that is involved in a conversation be held to such a standard? There are meany people that are just learning how to write properly on the internet, You are essentially being hostile towards them. In my case, My early post's have always been "ad hominem'ed" because of my dyslexia and troubles spelling. (This was before universal spellcheckers.) Isn't designation of certain post as "shit-posts" of the same fallacious mentality?