I just rolled out a new, rather controversial feature which should help get some of the shitposters which voat attracted over the past few weeks under control.
How this works
- If a user has -50 CCP or less, they will only be able to post 5 comments per day until their CCP improves.
- If a user has -50 CCP or less, they will only be able to submit 1 discussion or 1 link per day until their CCP improves.
Why do we need this?
There are voat users with CCP at around -300 and these guys submit 20+ links per hour. While voat userbase is relatively small, allowing shitposters to run free and post copypasta crap day in and day out, may have negative effect on legit users.
This feature may be seen as as a tool to limit free speech (voat moto is "have your say" after all), but free speech doesn't mean that everyone should be allowed to post endless copypasta crap all over voat in matters of minutes and thus impact the free speech of other users as shitposting copypasta crap will push down submissions of other users from /v/all/new and as such, if left uncontrolled, have a negative effect on freedom of speech of other users.
I don't care about the kind of content is being posted, as long as the content being posted is legal and not being spammed all over voat. If you want to get your message across, why not try doing it in a thought-out manner, discussing the topic, letting other users chime in and taking it from there, rather than just shouting your message across random subverses?
Now what?
I will keep this feature operational as a test-run to see how it works in practice.
Please feel free to discuss this and tell me how you feel about this.
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unfair ago
Yupp this is a great change - the only future flaw I see is that there needs to be a limit on how much negative CCP you can get from a specific post. Right now it isn't an issue because of the 100 CCP required to downvote, but once a broad group of people is over 100 then it becomes possible to brigade people into the negatives and they'll have a real hard time coming back from that.
The_Strange_Remain ago
Sorry, but a year after you made this post that's EXACTLY the pit I'm in. I cannot even defend myself from these hateful brigading assholes because it simply wont permit me to reply to all the people throwing accusations at me. I had my ccp reduced from 83 to 16 in AN HOUR because I disagreed with a few people. And they've been riding me since. I've messaged /u/atko several times about it and have been met with silence. This system is as corrupt as it comes.
Not_Larry_David ago
When downvoting, a person can only be downvoted to a certain negative numbered tier?
Like the first day he shit posts, he gets downvoted by a million people, but is only downvoted to -10. The next day if he tries that shit again, the tier recognizes that he was once previously at a -10 tier, so the million of people pushes him back down to -50, then the next infraction down to -100, then the next infraction after -100 is up to the actual number of downvoters, since he's had three strikes when it comes to douchnozzling?
Ashurbanipal ago
All it's going to take is a group of people who upvote each other, they'll quickly and easily reach a critical mass that enables them to uplift or condemn whoever they want. The myriad problems with voting system as a whole (easily the worst element of Reddit and Voat both) ought to be addressed before other systems dependent on the vote show up.
Shawa666 ago
I'd rather use a CCP/post ratio than just straight up CCP
Ahabandthewhitegrail ago
Yes, this. This makes far more sense.
TwoTailedFox ago
Problem there is it allows long-time users to game the system.
Shawa666 ago
It's a tradeoff. Yes, it allows long term users to game the system should the bar be set low enough, But it protects people from being punished for being brigaded.
Atko ago
This is why we're still allowing people to post even if they have a lot of negative CCP. In this test version, "shunned" people can still submit 5 comments per day and 1 link or discussion per day. Nobody can take that away from you, regardless of how controversial or provoking things you submit are.
The_Strange_Remain ago
Nobody can take it from you? What a crock of shit! I've been bombarded with accusations and attacks simply for being new the last 48 hours. I mean utterly INUNDATED with "schill" comments and demands that I prove my statements. I cannot because you've got me forcibly cucked in a system that doesn't permit me to address comments I receive AND empowers brigading assholes to ensure I never get my ccp high enough to have unrestricted voting and commenting. You've made an easy target of me and to rub salt in the wound have ensured I'm hobbled to the point I cannot defend myself.
If your job was to make sure new view points were silenced if they don't agree with the hive mind, congratulations man. You fucking succeeded. Now get off your ass and look into my account. Either finish the job you started and ban me outright or give me some protection from these assholes who keep me from having an intelligent conversation. "Protecting" your site from spam by abusing your user base, even while your vetted users literally spam "schill" every post is NOT a viable solution. GOD DAMN.
redpilldessert ago
Perhaps have a meritocracy Google rank type system where the WEIGHT of votes towards others are based on how much credibility they have themselves. So someone with a high amount of CCP will be able to exert more influence on anything they vote on. The mathematics work out brilliant.
TwoTailedFox ago
Which is akin to the "Slashdot" Karma approach.
UncleIroh ago
That's what I'm concerned about too... censoring people might become easier if people have an army of bot accounts to use. The 100 CCP requirement does make it marginally harder though.
Vladimara ago
Yeah, make a 100 bots, they all make 1 comment which they all upvoat eachother in a massive cyber circle jerk, then bam, they can downvoat a person with 100 CCP per post.
raisin ago
Can you upvoat multiple times from the same machine/IP though?
Anti-God ago
Botnet ahoy!