In 4chan-ish speak (or whatever)
Be me
Working. Look at clock, damn gotta run
Get up, about to leave, forgot I have to run vote manipulation bans
It's fine, they are ready to run, won't take long
Get first batch setup, double check it, looks good, execute the code
Get second batch setup, double check it, wait, a parameter is off
Think to myself, hmmmm, what was that parameter set to in the first batch?
Go look at the first batch again, parameter is wrong, interesting.
I wonder what that did.
Go look, yeah, banned a bunch of people I shouldn't have.
I'm going to be so late now.
No code to unban people, have to write it real quick.
15 minutes later, ready to go, execute code, great, everyone was unbanned. Feel like superman.
Finish rest of bans
Leave 45 minutes after I should have
Sometime later, check Voat on phone, make sure it's not down (you know, we have a thing with that).
Have 20 triilion unread messages. Oh no. What now.
Voat is going full rage goat about bans.
Try to answer as many messages as possible. It's a warzone. Usually is after every round though, so expected
Check Voat again later, saw ping in a random submission
It said a long time goat was banned. That's weird.
Started thinking how did that goat get banned?
Why would they be farming? They can't be downvoting can they?
Recall that Dan guy got banned on Reddit for up farming. Definitely possible.
Maybe power users are into that kind of thing?
Think to myself, Voat is weird.
Sometime later, still curious, log on computer, bring up ban data
Wait a second, that goat was in batch 1
I'll fix that. Fixed.
Look over it once again, find two more
Fix them.
Check a few users who've messaged. They still got served the ban hammer. Lol a little
Think we are good now.
Still thinking about what the goats said in the warzone thread
One user said we should have an appeal process
Process we use now is old as hell
Coded to kill farms with no mercy
Written for survival during the sanegoat days
That was years ago. Reminisce what is was like for a minute. Damn I'm getting old.
Yeah, maybe we should update this
So, that was how the bans went down from my side. Thought it was entertaining enough to break the ice for what follows:
I can't allow manipulation, in any way. If the votes aren't true, I can't put my name on it. Manipulation of votes was why I left Reddit in the first place. I take it seriously. I also need to define what we look for without giving away our playbook (I have to think about this a bit).
I'll double check vote manipulation bans, that is totally reasonable. I hate banning people for manipulation, so if a ban wasn't right, I'll fix it.
Conclusion:
We are going to have to add an appeal process for vote manipulation.
You guys have better ideas anyways, so how should we do this? What should the process be?
Let's just design it from scratch. And while we are at it… should subverse bans be appealable? Do we need to write new code for this?
Suppose we can just use PMs though.
Let's make it better.
Someone told me Voat loves stickies.
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0100100-100110 ago
Sounds like somebody could weaponize the ban process to get people banned who they dont like.
Not sure how the computer code shit works, but maybe a strike system.
1)"FIRST STRIKE" Punishment: Automatic Ban, Appeal Process: Given automatically upon request/ with generic warning inboxed (reduce's admin cost of somebody manually reading appeal shit)
2)"SECOND STIKE" Punishment: Automatic Ban, Appeal Process: Given automatically upon request 3-5 day ban. (just incase some guy some how got fucked by the system once, he is only fucked for 3-5 days. This may also encourage a user to reach out for help to get his shit unfucked, gives admin time to figure out how this goat got fucked and where the system needs improvment at the admins convenience)
3)"THIRD STRIKE" COMPLETE BAN Appeal Process: Must message admin to get unbanned (somebody has to read this shit) But if the system works right 99.99% of these bans would be legit.
0100100-100110 ago
They should also have to write during the "Appeal Process" a reason why they got banned, or what they think may have happened. That way when ever admin does have to review a 2nd or 3rd strike they may have a little info on previous situations.
captainstrange ago
Gay ass reddit-tier faggotry.
0100100-100110 ago
It cuts down on administration cost, so you dont have an individual manually reviewing each ban. Appeals would be instant, almost as soon as you send the request (or delayed depending on how the code is written). I don't know how reddit works, never been over there but the only moderater needed for this would be for third strike appeals.