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truthwoke33 ago

What are your plans to mitigate user abuse e.g. creating a secret CP sub or a harassment sub?

SpottyMatt ago

In my mind, this is the biggest concern over private subverses as you cannot really maintain meaningful transparency of any sort while still allowing meaningful privacy.

Does voat's general population of users have real use cases for private subverses? If not, consider not making this feature available to the general population and keeping it internal.

Crensch ago

What about direct messages?

SpottyMatt ago

Direct messages are 1:1 communication and literally an order of magnitude more difficult to abuse.

You might have bad actors doing nefarious things with each other over direct messages but it's much more difficult for locii of bad actors to grow when there is no mechanism to broadcast a message only to the in-group.

I can't invite you into my direct message conversation with another Voat user, I have to have a separate conversation with you and perhaps relay messages by hand.

Crensch ago

All right.

Anyone can make a free discord and link to these things. IRC, Poal, Phucks, etc. Basically the same thing - why not have the convenient feature for others here, so those of us shoahed to this website from leftist strongholds have an easier time of congregating?

SpottyMatt ago

In my mind there is significant risk associated with hosting not-publicly-visible Internet communities on a platform.

Since there are plenty of other popular and successful platforms that offer this, I don't see a strong need justifying Voat undertaking the risk.

Crensch ago

If the dev has a good reason for it for admin purposes, and the functionality can be there, why not?

Even private communities elsewhere can be censored, and having them here doesn't increase any risk over having them elsewhere.

Seems a bit like a "no guns allowed" sign, to me.

SpottyMatt ago

If the dev has a good reason for it for admin purposes, and the functionality can be there, why not?

For the reasons I and others have already expressed,

having them here doesn't increase any risk over having them elsewhere.

that you don't agree exist.

Seems a bit like a "no guns allowed" sign, to me.

As much as "no doxxing" and "no child porn" are, and yet, those signs are still posted.

Crensch ago

The batteries ins? What don't I agree exists? And how do you equate those two things with my analogy or what's actually going on here?

A no guns allowed sign prevents a legal and law-abiding citizen from exercising their rights on that property or in that City. A moratorium on private sub versus does the same thing. The reason for these is because they could be misused. How the actual fuck could doxxing or child porn ever be legal or a right or something convenient for law-abiding people?

MisplacedMan ago

It only seems convenient to those who want to game and abuse the system.

Crensch ago

Ok. Couldn't possibly be convenient for others?

MisplacedMan ago

If you have any ideas on why such a thing would need to remain private, I'm all ears.

Off-site private groups can already be created on other apps, so... If one wants to use a private subverse on Voat to communicate with other people, rather than journaling or whatever, you might as well do it on Discord or Facebook, regardless of intention.

Crensch ago

If you have any ideas on why such a thing would need to remain private, I'm all ears.

"If you have nothing to hide, you have nothing to fear from our intrusion into your privacy."

Are you suggesting here that you've found no use for the direct messaging functionality on Voat?

Off-site private groups can already be created on other apps, so... If one wants to use a private subverse on Voat to communicate with other people, rather than journaling or whatever, you might as well do it on Discord or Facebook, regardless of intention.

"Yes goyim, join more honeypot sites because you can totally talk about everything you want to talk about there and not get censored!"

Come on, dude. Even "private" messages get censored on those sites.

MisplacedMan ago

You've already tried that angle, multiple times, in this thread. It doesn't work.

https://www.voat.co/v/Voat/3009940/16521221

Crensch ago

Linking to your own thread as evidence that I've "tried that angle, multiple times"?

Did you learn to argue on Reddit, or something?