Read CONTEXT at end of post
Currently Voat’s "Private" subverse feature is primarily used to allow subs to disassociate their posts from v/all, all content is still public in every sense other than this. This isn’t really private, it’s more like a hidden setting.
For internal reasons Voat needs to implement a private subverse feature in which only approved people have access to the subverse content (pro tip: a lot of features we work on and end up offering were/are primarily developed for internal reasons like the upcoming Vote and Packages features).
Before we start any work on this feature, I want to discuss how to develop this feature and get your feedback and concerns.
As I see it, we have the classic concept of Private in which only approved people (members) can access subverse content. The only question is one of implementation: what controls access to subverse: subscriptions or moderator privileges? If we use subscriptions, we will have to modify the process so that moderators can approve a subscription request, otherwise the moderator feature would suffice. If we use a moderator approach, other users can see who is part of the private subverse which is good for transparency. Pros/cons to both approaches.
Some concerns I see:
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Should we have different "Private" settings like a ReadOnly
differentiation so that a subverse can choose to display content to non-members but not allow non-members to submit posts/comments i.e. a read only approach?
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What if a subverse is private and a new subscriber is added, should this new member have full access to subverse content or should all content submitted before they were added be inaccessible to them? In other words, only content submitted after a user became a member is visible to them. This concern is to allow existing members to be reassured their prior content is protected.
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Should private subverse content show up in front-page/sets or should the subverse content only be accessible via navigating to the subverse itself?
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Should pings be dropped when the target user isn’t a member?
There are probably other considerations I haven’t thought about, so let me know your thoughts.
CONTEXT
As with any change, we are all looking at the potential for abuse (which I see), so I want to give everyone a context of where this comes from so you can see the intentions involved with the thought.
I want to setup a corporate Voat instance for business related concerns that will be accessible by all Voat employees and members of the community that are involved with the operations of Voat (this is called dogfooding in the software world). In this instance I'd like to have a subverse about Finances that is restricted to only company executives, as well as a Legal subverse accessible to legal council, etc.
In these scenarios, private subverses are needed as a Voat developer or community manager wouldn't need access to this "sensitive" content.
I think it's important to note where this idea stems from and that this idea was never one of ill intention (i.e. This is the end of Voat!). This is why I mentioned "internal" above.
As always, we are just getting feedback here, let's try to look for solutions to the concerns rather than throwing out the baby with the bath water.
Edit
Consensus is in: Voat loves this idea... Pause... Pause... Not. ;)
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dontforgetaboutevil ago
Sounds like a great way to deplatform problem subs exactly the way Reddit does. Sub causing problems for advertising? Click private and boom it's gone. Sounds shitty to me and like a step backwards. Looks like your gonna do it anyway so my feeding back is kind of a waste of time. I mean why even bother asking for feedback if you declare this is what your gonna do anyway and not even explain why this is necessary or beneficial to us users?
Us users who have heard shit like this before and been burned by it.
ratsmack ago
Save the drama... he's just asking.
Folke ago
read what he's posting. This is just a notification of what he planned on doing. He just thought everyone would go along and he would't get any kick back.
PuttItOut ago
Damn you are new.
We've been down this road many times. You'll see.
Folke ago
This is my third account. I've been here long enough to learn how to read replies. So be pissy, but this is just something that is horrible for voat.
OH and dogfooding, is when those who created the program/website/app uses the fucking thing to hash out glitches/bugs. It's not for private convos/forums for only a select few.
It's clear by the posts defending this change you want that it's what you want. Even your update shows it to be true. So yeah Same road as always with you.
PuttItOut ago
You're wrong on dogfooding. Voat is a communication platform, it is meant for communication. Why the hell wouldn't Voat use Voat for its business purposes?
And new accounts... Always the same with people like you.
Folke ago
I forgot my password, twice. So? I guess I must be old. From the late 80's to the early 2k, Dogfooding was simply forcing the employees to use a service that was created by the company to see if it works.
You are wanting to do the same thing that helped destroy reddit. Users pushed back and disagreed, now its changed to you want this for you and your lawyers and investors. Bullshit! Stop trying to do the same things reddit did.
PuttItOut ago
Go add a recovery email so you don't have to create a new account. :)
This is my idea only, as is with everything, and sounds like very few see any upside considering the risk.
This is the purpose of these posts, to get feedback. I'll mark you down for a solid 'NO'
Folke ago
tried recovery email with my last account Mimar. That feature didn't work for me. The first one that feature wasn't enabled
PuttItOut ago
True. Password recovery is often broken :(