Read CONTEXT at end of post
Currently Voat’s "Private" subverse feature is primarily used to allow subs to disassociate their posts from v/all, all content is still public in every sense other than this. This isn’t really private, it’s more like a hidden setting.
For internal reasons Voat needs to implement a private subverse feature in which only approved people have access to the subverse content (pro tip: a lot of features we work on and end up offering were/are primarily developed for internal reasons like the upcoming Vote and Packages features).
Before we start any work on this feature, I want to discuss how to develop this feature and get your feedback and concerns.
As I see it, we have the classic concept of Private in which only approved people (members) can access subverse content. The only question is one of implementation: what controls access to subverse: subscriptions or moderator privileges? If we use subscriptions, we will have to modify the process so that moderators can approve a subscription request, otherwise the moderator feature would suffice. If we use a moderator approach, other users can see who is part of the private subverse which is good for transparency. Pros/cons to both approaches.
Some concerns I see:
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Should we have different "Private" settings like a ReadOnly
differentiation so that a subverse can choose to display content to non-members but not allow non-members to submit posts/comments i.e. a read only approach?
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What if a subverse is private and a new subscriber is added, should this new member have full access to subverse content or should all content submitted before they were added be inaccessible to them? In other words, only content submitted after a user became a member is visible to them. This concern is to allow existing members to be reassured their prior content is protected.
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Should private subverse content show up in front-page/sets or should the subverse content only be accessible via navigating to the subverse itself?
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Should pings be dropped when the target user isn’t a member?
There are probably other considerations I haven’t thought about, so let me know your thoughts.
CONTEXT
As with any change, we are all looking at the potential for abuse (which I see), so I want to give everyone a context of where this comes from so you can see the intentions involved with the thought.
I want to setup a corporate Voat instance for business related concerns that will be accessible by all Voat employees and members of the community that are involved with the operations of Voat (this is called dogfooding in the software world). In this instance I'd like to have a subverse about Finances that is restricted to only company executives, as well as a Legal subverse accessible to legal council, etc.
In these scenarios, private subverses are needed as a Voat developer or community manager wouldn't need access to this "sensitive" content.
I think it's important to note where this idea stems from and that this idea was never one of ill intention (i.e. This is the end of Voat!). This is why I mentioned "internal" above.
As always, we are just getting feedback here, let's try to look for solutions to the concerns rather than throwing out the baby with the bath water.
Edit
Consensus is in: Voat loves this idea... Pause... Pause... Not. ;)
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WORF_MOTORBOATS_TROI ago
The context for my opinion is how private subs were used on reddit to organize upvoat/downvoat brigades and propaganda campaigns as well as to share content that was of questionable legality with each other. I am also considering how anon subs like v/AnonAll are currently being used to flood /all/ for half the day and the censor-mod deletes any posts that are not in agreement with their political preferences.
Frankly, I oppose the idea of private subs entirely because it's like censorship by default where someone is only permitted free speech if deemed so worthy by the moderator. This is not why voat exists. If you want to set up a couple invite-only subs to aid in the development of the site then fine. This functionality should not be available to anyone else on the site because I believe it undermines the censorship-free mission of the site.
Displaying content to non-members should be mandatory, and only putt can toggle the internal subs to not display to non-members. If content does not display to non-members then it will be the responsibility of some kind of voat admin/supermod that can view all the private subs to police them to ensure they do not become hubs for illegal activity such as cp exchange or selling drugs online. There have been numerous examples of these types of groups attempting to establish a foothold here over the years. At the moment, the people who sort by /new/ are the lookouts that prevent these types of groups from establishing themselves here.
Private subs should NOT show up in /all/ by default, but there should be an option to include private/invite-only subs. To that point, the same could be said for anon subs. This is to avoid an invite-only sub from just being a mouthpiece for some corporation or interest group dumps content on us but does not permit any discussion to actually take place.
Whether a new user should see all previously posted content is moot, everyone should always see all content
Pings should not work for non-members. This function will be used to harass people.