Read CONTEXT at end of post
Currently Voat’s "Private" subverse feature is primarily used to allow subs to disassociate their posts from v/all, all content is still public in every sense other than this. This isn’t really private, it’s more like a hidden setting.
For internal reasons Voat needs to implement a private subverse feature in which only approved people have access to the subverse content (pro tip: a lot of features we work on and end up offering were/are primarily developed for internal reasons like the upcoming Vote and Packages features).
Before we start any work on this feature, I want to discuss how to develop this feature and get your feedback and concerns.
As I see it, we have the classic concept of Private in which only approved people (members) can access subverse content. The only question is one of implementation: what controls access to subverse: subscriptions or moderator privileges? If we use subscriptions, we will have to modify the process so that moderators can approve a subscription request, otherwise the moderator feature would suffice. If we use a moderator approach, other users can see who is part of the private subverse which is good for transparency. Pros/cons to both approaches.
Some concerns I see:
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Should we have different "Private" settings like a ReadOnly
differentiation so that a subverse can choose to display content to non-members but not allow non-members to submit posts/comments i.e. a read only approach?
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What if a subverse is private and a new subscriber is added, should this new member have full access to subverse content or should all content submitted before they were added be inaccessible to them? In other words, only content submitted after a user became a member is visible to them. This concern is to allow existing members to be reassured their prior content is protected.
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Should private subverse content show up in front-page/sets or should the subverse content only be accessible via navigating to the subverse itself?
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Should pings be dropped when the target user isn’t a member?
There are probably other considerations I haven’t thought about, so let me know your thoughts.
CONTEXT
As with any change, we are all looking at the potential for abuse (which I see), so I want to give everyone a context of where this comes from so you can see the intentions involved with the thought.
I want to setup a corporate Voat instance for business related concerns that will be accessible by all Voat employees and members of the community that are involved with the operations of Voat (this is called dogfooding in the software world). In this instance I'd like to have a subverse about Finances that is restricted to only company executives, as well as a Legal subverse accessible to legal council, etc.
In these scenarios, private subverses are needed as a Voat developer or community manager wouldn't need access to this "sensitive" content.
I think it's important to note where this idea stems from and that this idea was never one of ill intention (i.e. This is the end of Voat!). This is why I mentioned "internal" above.
As always, we are just getting feedback here, let's try to look for solutions to the concerns rather than throwing out the baby with the bath water.
Edit
Consensus is in: Voat loves this idea... Pause... Pause... Not. ;)
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Epictetus_Hierapolis ago
I come to voat because everything is open.
I do not like the idea of private subs.
I really do not like the secret investor.
Crensch ago
Private messages already exist. How is this functionally any different?
Epictetus_Hierapolis ago
Pms are between users. A private sub is between a community.
Crensch ago
Some more eyeballs on it equals bad?
Did you know that people can send multiple private messages to multiple people in order to communicate in private?
Epictetus_Hierapolis ago
Shit son, all these years I've ignored the calls of protectvoat being reddit tier. Maybe I've been wrong when you are now calling for reddit tier private subs.
Crensch ago
I'm not. Make a better argument.
Leave the snark to people that make better arguments.
Epictetus_Hierapolis ago
An argument requires two people making arguments. I've made an argument, you've just said no.
Give me a reason why this would be beneficial to voat. Maybe I'm not seeing something you are.
Crensch ago
You made a claim.
I made that claim look silly.
That's how arguments work.
I didn't make the claim. I'm not exactly for this idea, I've just not seen anything but really shitty arguments against it.
You do understand how null hypotheses work, yes?
Captain_Faggot ago
all.
How many fucking employees are rolling around in the background then?
PuttItOut ago
Do you have to rub it in my face that I'm all alone. :(
Nadeshda ago
Mental Note: I need to talk to Putts more!
PuttsMum ago
I'm sorry but I don't allow @PuttitOut to talk to girls. He's a good boy, doesn't need the distraction of all you floozies ;)
Nadeshda ago
Ah, dear Mam, you do a wonderful job btw! You did well raising such a fine young man, forgive me if it seemed I was overstepping any boundaries. Thank you though for ALL that you do!
PuttItOut ago
Thanks for having my back mom. This way I will always live in the basement.
Nadeshda ago
Lol... oh dear me she is going to smack we with her handbag... she has no idea who I am, just jumped to calling me a floozie.
It’s okay I apologized, hopefully we are all good now... :)
Epictetus_Hierapolis ago
I don't have a problem per se with a private sub for the financial, legal, etc purposes you need. As a former small (I'd assume smaller than voat) business owner though, I wouldn't use voat for sensitive communications like that.
Obviously you are not going to dedicate all of the time you do to voat for absolutely nothing in return but feel goods. A putts gotta eat and make sure he doesn't get bombarded with lawsuits. I do really appreciate the smaller feel to voat, vs the corporate feel of other sites.
Private subs for anyone outside of those running voat though? I think the community has spoken on that. I appreciate the fact that I can get to know someone's personality on voat because their expression of ideas isn't segregated. If I give my address to @middle_path for the seed swap, I know that I am interacting with someone that loves gardening and tranny midget porn, and not someone involved with a private sub for building bombs or sharing CP. I think the private subs break the openness and trust we have here.
PuttItOut ago
They would definitely fly in the face of transparency if used maliciously.
middle_path ago
Agreed. Except you have it backwards. Been working on a tranny bomb to convert CP offenders into mentally unstable trannies to protect children. I'm almost finished, but I need to find a non-toxic replacement for ricin.
Turns out my old model what just killing pedophiles. We can't have that if me and my SBBH cronies are going to take over the world.
PuttsMum ago
It was worth reading a billion comments in this thread, just to find this one :)
middle_path ago
Thank you. Tell your son to tell us who the mystery investor is.
Epictetus_Hierapolis ago
Hmm, maybe we do need private subs. What kind of ricin replacement are you thinking? I might be able to work on an airborn tropane alkaloid.
knightwarrior41 ago
you are NOT alone there are 100000 nigger faggots that are with you and voat :)
Captain_Faggot ago
Don't use voat for private business affairs, encrypted email already exists.
The second you show any ability to lock things away you'll be accountable for absolutely everything posted.
Not worth the agro.
mxcviel ago
Exactly!
clamhurt_legbeard ago
Don't use voat for voat business??
Is that what you said just now??