Upon some self-reflection I have to admit some faults. I have made two policy changes in the last few months that I did not communicate with Voat in advance.
These two changes are:
- Adding NSFW flairs to posts that had the word nigger or kike in the title in @System subverses (often referred to as Default subs)
- Changing the daily scaled value for allowed votes in a 24 hour period back to 10 from a mistaken setting of 1000 (which was used for testing purposes and got carried over to Voat by mistake).
On NSFW Titles:
Voat has always had an NSFW setting but it is inconsistently applied. It is my duty to respect this user setting while at the same time not censoring communication. As with most things on Voat, the grey area is large and often results in a subjective decision. With default subs, that decision is left to Voat, and more specifically to me.
The logic behind flairing NSFW titles in default subverses is this: If the title of a submission has the potential to get someone fired if a manager or co-worker saw it on your screen, then it is NSFW. Personally, I think it is straight forward for two reasons:
- Titles of submissions can easily be phrased without the use of such wording so it's the submitters choice as how they word a title and also what subverse they post in.
- Users who have NSFW turned off should have their setting honored. Many users toggle this setting between places (work vs. home).
- BONUS: When not logged in, Voat displays default subs without NSFW content. As you know, Voat displays a lot of content that is visible to non-logged in users (as opposed to websites that require an account to access - which they do to inflate user account stats btw) and because of this we have to balance things out in default subverses.
On Daily Scaled Vote Setting:
The integrity of Voat is important to us all. Upon looking into manipulation on Voat, we discovered a massive hidden farm that was exploiting this setting, building up literally an army of accounts that can manipulate visibility of content via voting. Having a minimum setting of 1000 meant that a brand new non-participating account can upvote 1000 times per 24 hours, making the task of building a manipulation farm very easy.
While nothing we do is impervious to manipulation, we have found over the years that small requirements make big differences. An example of this is the required 10 CCP for making a submission. This requirement literally solved 90% of our spam problem overnight.
The unintended consequence of reverting this setting back to it's original value of 10 votes per day for low CCP accounts is the v/QRV subverse, as it is set to anon-only (Anon submissions and comments do not earn the user CCP). Many participate only in that subverse and as such, they have low CCP. The only remedy for this is to participate outside of that subverse and post insightful and respectful comments to non-anon subverses in order to "level up". Many will not like this, but consider two things: The setting was incorrect to begin with and Voat's integrity is a concern for all.
Here is the code we use to determine how many votes a user account is allowed per 24 hours:
var scaledDailyVotingQuota = (UserCCP >= 20 ? Math.Max(100, UserCCP / 2) : 10);
In other words, if your account is 20 CCP or higher you are permitted a minimum maximum of 100 votes per 24 hour window (or half of your CCP, which ever is highest). If it is below 20 CCP, you are limited to 10. Points do matter, participation does matter.
The Conclusion
The conclusion is that Voat is no longer a start up website. Many depend on Voat now. We can no longer make policy decisions without communicating these changes in advance. As I've said before, Voat isn't mine, it's yours, and as such, policy decisions will be communicated in advance going forward.
Special thanks to @Rotteuxx for being honest enough to call me out on my mistake(s) and @PenSHITLORD for inquiring about the daily vote setting change which led me to write this post.
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Plavonica ago
There really should be a differentiation of NSFW and porn-nsfw .
PuttItOut ago
Yes, this will be discussed later. Obviously before any changes.
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15023138? ago
Can you stop showing banned subs in random sub searches? I'm tired of landing in loli subs
jollux ago
Please implement something. I don't want to see porn, but have no restrictions on language.
Cannibalguy ago
Off the top of my head I have two ideas: 1. An additional tag marked "explicit" that is next to the NFSW tag and a different color 2. Instead of another tag, NSFW content that also includes nudity could simply have a different tag/color that says "NSFW/Explicit"
Explicit could also include images like gore, shit, etc.
kneo24 ago
The problem with different NSFW tags, or whatever the delineation will be is getting people to follow them. One NSFW tag works as a catch all. More than one will create some trolling opportunities.
"Look at me posting gore and just marking it as standard NSFW" or "Look at me posting porn and marking it as standard NSFW". Trolls aren't going to care about the downvoats. If you were to argue that it's NSFW and you are taking chances anyway, then why create multiple tags if one should be aware of the fact they're taking chances? It seems like an unnecessary thing to put effort into.
think- ago
What really concerns me, @PuttItOut, is that some subverses who allegedly feature 'skinny women' etc. really seem to have a lot of child porn = clearly underage girl content.
Child porn can be reported to the mods and Os, who subsequently will (hopefully) remove it, and send a report to you. (Like we've been doing on v/pizzagate.) But when the mods and Os of NSFW-porn subs are the ones who post this stuff, or condone posting it, nothing ever will be done, right?
We had at least one v/pizzagate researcher who recently deleted their account, because they stumbled upon some nasty underage stuff on a NSFW sub. Other users saw similar content, and were really upset.
It would be great to have a clear, known-to-all policy here on Voat that posting pics (rl pics) of underage girls will lead to content removal, banning of the user in question, and reporting him to US authorities.
Also maybe a special Voat email address where users can complain about cp content, and someone who takes care of this.
Thanks. :-)
(And just to add this here, as an advocate against sexual exploitation of children, I'm not happy with hentai posts either.)
On a side note, the lolli subs and the 'skinny' subs etc. really ruin the reputation of Voat imo. Yes, I know Voat is all about free speech. Still.
@MolochHunter @Vindicator @EricKaliberhall @Crensch @srayzie
Plavonica ago
Thank you.
Dumb_Comment_Bot ago
I can confirm that personally I would like that differentiation. I have nsfw disabled all the time on my account, which is helpful because I don't want to see porn. I am however alright with offensive speech when I'm at home. What I find interesting is that the nsfw posts from QRV show up anyway all the time, even though I have nsfw disabled. Is there already a silent distinction in place?
Hand_of_Node ago
Not that I'm wanting it, but how do you see porn on voat? Is it on v/all if you go down far enough? I've been here for 3.4 years and have not seen any porn yet.
Vindicator ago
That's pretty funny :-)
Dumb_Comment_Bot ago
It's very uncommon though present. Though other than browsing without being logged into an account I don't come across it. In fact this is in the top five reasons why I like voat. Most other forums are saturated with porn.
TheCompanionCube ago
If you check incoming at the right time
ShineShooter ago
Eh, just ban the subs
gabara ago
I think some issues for some users could be resolved (and many complaints eliminated) by having it so if someone who does not have NSFW content enabled in their profile settings, they won't see posts flagged NSFW in the unfiltered Incoming feed.
I know there are a few users that insist on downvoting any NSFW content they see since they can't filter it, mainly out of frustration. They have something of a point. Might lead to some peace between some users.