Alienbaby51 ago

I did ballet, gymnastics, and cheerleading, now I do pole fitness, I’m sure nobody here likes that evolution but ballet laid the foundation for me being able to do an extremely difficult aerial sport.

AbjectSubstance ago

Make sure they run to and don't give dad shit.

Master_Foo ago

You forgot "The newest fads in eating disorders"

Sally is Anorexic AND Bullimic AND had gastric bypass surgery AND is on speed! That's why she's the Prima of all the little Ballerinas!

18791160? ago

Eating disorders are a HUGE problem with professional ballerinas.

Master_Foo ago

Oh, man. When I was in college, I had to take a class to fill a physical fitness requirement. So, after a few beers and some laughs with my friends, I accepted a dare to take ballet. I was like, "Yeah, I'll take that bet. It'll be good for a laugh and the best way to meet hot chicks is to surround yourself with hot chicks!"

Anyway, I took the class. I did pretty good for a nerdy lumbering oaf. Got some phone numbers too. But, overall the women tend to be emotional wrecks. It's not a good place to find stable women.

18791329? ago

What a cool thing to try! Good on you. I've found that professional dancers tend to be a tad bit neurotic. Sounds like that was your experience as well.

Master_Foo ago

I'm really not afraid to try anything really. I'm more of a Martial Arts guy. But a little experience in ballet is good for improving movement. Being a nerdy lumbering oaf who isn't exactly built for movement, I need all the experience I can get.

Those neurotic ballerinas could probably use a stint in a Karate Dojo. A couple of fists to their pretty little faces and they'll quickly learn a better attitude. It's almost as if kinetic energy doesn't care about your silly First-World-Problems. Drop and give me 40 pushups princess!

18791526? ago

Ha! Hey, I've got a question for you. I'd like to get my b/g twins in a martial art starting pretty young. What would you recommend?

Sparky159 ago

Get them into Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. It's a grappeling art that focuses on ground fighting and submissions. Think wrestling, but with chokes. It's by far the most effective martial art for self defense, and it was specifically designed for just that. I see little 4-5 year olds excelling in our kids class on a regular basis

Master_Foo ago

Depends on what you mean by "young". I actually don't recommend it. At a young age, bones are still weak and muscle mass isn't enough to be effective. You really don't want serious injuries to stunt that growth. Wait until puberty.

The BEST thing to do is to raise them not to be afraid of taking a hit. Don't injure them, just make sure they fall on their asses often enough that they know how to handle it and not be paralyzed by the fear of taking a couple of lumps. Pillow fights are good for this. Let them climb, and fall from the apple tree. That kind of stuff. Teach them to protect their head and spine and eyes, but if they break an arm or a leg, it hurts, but it will be OK.

18791812? ago

That's really really great advice. That's my plan and how I was raised. Am working really hard at not reacting when they fall or bump their head and just wait until I hear a real cry before I grab and comfort them. I want them to be brave and strong. I also had planned on getting them into martial arts at 4 or 5 but you just changed my mind. Thank you.

FSHLLtOW ago

I'm sorry I don't have the article to share, or even remember where it came from, but about a year ago I read an article about kids breaking bones. There was a study done that determined that kids that break a bone before they are 9 or 10, I think, are more confident as adults. They have less fear and are more willing to take a risk. I'm Not suggesting that you whack your kid with an iron pipe to make sure they break an arm! Lol. I'm just saying you are doing the right thing with what you said earlier about not grabbing them as soon as they cry out a little. Let them be adventurous!

Master_Foo ago

If you think about it. There really isn't anything to be gained by taking martial arts at 4 or 5. There's just nothing learning offensive skills will do for someone without weight or structure. Even defensive arts aren't useful. A 5 year old black-belt isn't going to flip a stranger in a park.

Worse yet, a kid that age really doesn't have the judgement to use the skills wisely. So, it's more likely that he's going to be flipping other 5 year olds in the playground. Maybe he's not even being a bully. Maybe he's just rough housing like kids do. But regardless, a 5 year old isn't going to have the proper judgement to know when it's proper to kick someone in the solar-plexus. If that's what the kid knows how to do, he's going to do it even if the situation doesn't call for it.

I mean, think of it this way. A kid finds a stick and what is the first thing he does with it? The nearest sibling gets whacked with it! It doesn't mean the kid is a bad kid. It's just that the kid all of a sudden has more power than he should have and no good judgement. Martial Arts is like permanently giving your 5 year old a stick to walk around with.

18792007? ago

Yeah, I'm gonna share this post with my husband. We're probably going to go in a different direction after he reads this. Plus, our kids are unusually large (not fat- just tall and strong). Waiting seems like the prudent choice. Hey, thanks for stopping us from making a big mistake. Seriously, thank you. <3

FSHLLtOW ago

Wait just a minute. He may be correct about a kid picking up a stick but you're not talking about sticks found in the yard. We are talking more along the lines of T-ball. The parents and couches Teach those little pumpkins that the bat is for the ball. Not for swinging away at any passerby!

I believe you go at this the same way you do other things. Age appropriate. No, a 5 year old doesn't need to learn how to kick someone anywhere. But it wouldn't hurt a thing if they started learning a few steps they can take to get out of a hold. Of paying attention to their surroundings so that if another kid is pitching a fit your kid don't get caught up in the way and get knocked down. Little things like that, along with self discipline and knowledge of when things are appropriate can be started when young. They learn faster and absorb more when they are younger.

Master_Foo ago

I still suspect you of being a tranny.

18794128? ago

That's fine, I don't mind.

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Hippie_Housewife ago

Gorgeous! And true. Our daughter did ballet for 8 years and loved it. She learned many things and she still breaks out her moves on a regular basis. Unfortunately for her, one of the lessons we learned was that dance culture, being run entirely by women and mothers and little girls, can be a deeply catty, cliquey thing to navigate. Dance culture would strongly benefit from the presence of a few strong men - fathers in particular - who stand up and say NO, my daughter isn't wearing that, NO, my daughter isn't going to gyrate and pelvic thrust like that, NO, dear, it's not "cute", it's trashy. Find yourself a good dance studio, one that only teaches ballet if you can. It's worth putting them in a class. But probably steer clear of jazz or tap because it's very grown up nowadays.

Gorillion ago

Sorry. Used to catch a bus that picked up the local pink ninjas on it's route and they talked like fucking whores. Constant drama and the little ones couldn't get enough of who and what the older ones were fucking and doing on the weekends. I was just some dude in another seat and I heard all their dirty laundry.

Gaggles of girls =/= a place where they bloom in any positive way. All young girls in peer groups are jumping out of their skins wanting to be grown up, and their only view of being grown up what their older peers relate about their sex lives.

You women here know this is true. Puberty is a big deal for chicks way more than for guys. A good run through puberty can completely change a girl's expectations for life. Long term friendships break up if one girl gets the tits and the other doesn't. While the burly dude and his skinny pal can remain buddies into old age as long as video games still around. Young teen girls will form teams to get into music shows behind their parents back, and test each other to see who can make it through the layers of disgusting roadies to get some sex time with the band.

Girls on their own are trouble. Sorry, but you know it's true. Even Girl Scouts. All the troop members will be hanging on every word of the sluttiest girl there. Again, because how the hit puberty defines their social value going forward, while a guy has many different roles he can take on without alienating his friends who take up other roles. Developed girls will naturally exclude under-developed girls and every girl knows this. You know. You probably did it yourself.

Also, while physical fitness is good. Dancing. If taken seriously, can do a number on a developing female body. Bigger shoulders. No hips. Possibly even a complete jihad on tit and ass development. Again, you'll know the "sporty girls" who got hit hard with this effect.

Also, Ballet can create "duck walk", because of the strange feet placement they need to learn and force. While it makes them great at pirouettes etc it can take away from general walking (though I have seen the best walking come from, girls who had dancer backgrounds, but it looked like they trained themselves for that. High level deportment. Almost like an old school fashion cat walk.)

If you do start Ballet classes in your communities, keep them age-separated. Keep them sex-separated (the few dudes who would catch the bus were all obvious queers). Or maybe look at what they do in the Faroe Islands (start on Flikr - I stumbled across the tag years ago and it was the first time I felt what we'd lost in more suburban environments), where they have months-long black winters and they need to deal with youthful energy and stave off depression, isolation and insularity. They have indoor home activity rooms, and run regular community theater and sports.

Make the Ballet part of an over-arching set of performance training rather than a single focus. Different types of dance. Different types of theater. Keep the parents involved. It's a community-wide bonding experience. If you dump the kids together because you're "too busy" then they'll make up their own peer-based culture themselves without guidance and wisdom to help them, or even worse take cues from (((popular culture))).

Hippie_Housewife ago

This is why it's good for your girls to have good friendships! My daughter's 13 and all her friends are church kids who either are homeschooled or were for the first bunch of years. There is the occasional bit of drama,but overall these relationships are so much healthier than the ones she had a few years ago with kids from our neighbourhood. bad girlfriends make everyone miserable. They are all young and innocent still and I hope that lasts as long as possible.

Regarding dance's effect on the body - ballet won't give them big shoulders or make their boobs grow small or their butt flat. Have you seen professional ballerinas? Their lower bodies are very feminine. Many of them have boobs still and none of them have linebacker shoulders because they aren't powerlifting their fellow dancers. The real risk is that teaching very young kids extreme flexibility - which they force more in other styles of dance, but can also be an issue in ballet depending on the teacher - can frick up their hip sockets and do permanent damage to the ligaments and tendons of the pelvis. Pointe shoes on still-growing feet can also stunt toe growth. But it doesn't give them poor figures...far from it...most professional ballerinas have beautiful figures. Strong and sleek and feminine.

Definitely agree with keeping parents involved in it though! Dance needs more parental involvement.

18781522? ago

If you dump the kids together because you're "too busy" then they'll make up their own peer-based culture themselves without guidance and wisdom to help them, or even worse take cues from (((popular culture))).

This is the absolute truth.

As far as the puberty thing, I didn't have that experience and was a late bloomer but my friends stayed the same pretty much from 3rd grade on. I still have friends from when I was a child. Perhaps I'm an outlier...am interested to hear what other women say. Thank you for the comment- I always find your insights valuable.

Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago

Ballet classes are in most cases a positive danger to a child's posture. Ballet dancers often use the Alexander Technique to attempt to overcome some of the truly harmful habits that are developed in the process of learning ballet. I wouldn't recommend ballet for any child unless they have already taken some Alexander Technique lessons, or they are liable to develop bad habits and a strained posture.

18780815? ago

You're not wrong at all. Alexander Technique is a wonderful method and that I would recommend to anyone who wants to learn how to move more effectively. That being said, a girl doing ballet from age 3-10 isn't going to develop any serious issues. It's once girls are older and go to pointe that problems begin.

Ho-Chi-Min-Me ago

I must respectfully disagree. Children a hundred years ago were becoming overstimulated and discoordinated by the age of four. If a child's education is not properly structured with respect to the use of their bodies, their fear reflexes will be unduly excited and the development of bad habits is all but inevitable.

I have nothing against ballet per se, but I felt it necessary to object to the idea that ballet will improve posture.

frankenmine ago

Also fucks up their feet for life.

18780636? ago

Only if they go on pointe when they're older.

stbelmont ago

In a class of 50 I saw no one with problems at the lower levels of pointe at least, but this was the Houston Ballet Academy, not some neighborhood studio. We started out 15 minutes one class a week, and most of the time you're not on your toes. You're doing basic exercises, tendus, plies. Then it's up to 30 minutes. Then more than once a week.

The girls all had good behavior and not once did I hear rude language outside class.

beefartist ago

I have enough sport related injuries and ballet knowledge to know enough not to let my kid get way into it but I think serious dance, music, or gymnastics are a great female equivalent to martial arts for male children. FWIW I don't want my daughter to be a kickboxer or jiujitsu ace but I am going to teach her how to shoot and how to fuck up some chick who grabs her hair or some guy who tries to "get fresh"(date rape).

DeusVult2020 ago

And massively fucks up their feet.

18780742? ago

My mom didn't let me go on pointe so my feet are fine. Lots of parents won't let their daughters go to pointe.

whatevernevermind ago

The post infers to ballet as discipline and hobby, not guiding a young girl to make it or break it on Broadway.

beefartist ago

I am trying to asking about this. My elbows still hurt from martial arts sometimes but I think it was worth it. I don't think I will allow my kids to get too high a level into any pursuit because you have to limit the shit out of your development to be great at something. I like being good at almost everything, knowing what I am poor at, and being great at a few things.

whatdaheck ago

I took ballet as a girl. Highly recommend. The discipline part was greatly emphasized. Multiple people have told me “I move like a deer” when I play sports. Not entirely sure what that means but I’m sure I have ballet to thank!

Master_Foo ago

“I move like a deer”

Ummm... I hate to tell you this. But that means they are trying to tell you you need to wax your mustache.

whatevernevermind ago

It's a compliment, for sure.

beefartist ago

It means you don't slouch around like a weak fuck. I can't understand how many comments I get for sitting and standing upright like a fucking human. May I ask what ages you were involved in ballet and if you suffered any health effects?

whatdaheck ago

Haha that's a funny way to put it. I can see how good posture would set you apart from others, but I wish it was more common. I think I did ballet from two to six and also from nine to ten. Nothing professional or anything. I did gymnastics between. No health effects! Never had an injury and I don't have Marfan's or anything like that. I'd love to have my daughters do ballet when they're two. It a healthy and fun way to gain strength, control, and focus; but also fun to watch because it's just the cutest thing in the world!

Hippie_Housewife ago

Seriously, there's nothing as adorable as a line of little four-year-old ballerinas in matching tutus trying to keep up with the teacher.

whatdaheck ago

Agreed! I remember at my sister’s recitals they would talk to each other on the stage to make sure they were doing it correctly.

beefartist ago

Thanks! I have scars and aches from lifelong sporting...I wouldn't trade it but I don't want to force it on my kids. I think my daughter might be the bad ass compared to my son so I need to know how to help her develop.

Hippie_Housewife ago

Dance, yoga, swimming, and running are all great for kids. When she gets older, encourage her to lift weights. I wish that someone had encouraged me to develop some musculature before I got married and started having babies...I would've been so much more comfortable if I'd had the physical strength to carry around a massive belly. I thought I was fit because i was skinny and went on bike rides regularly. lol no. I was weak. Encourage your daughter to build strength.

beefartist ago

My wife didn't really discover weights until afterwards as well. Right now I haven't been hitting the gym and she has so that is great! We are a little out of the way so not everything is available...I am hoping dance class isn't whorish around here. I am not so sure about kids yoga to be honest but it might be fun to try together outside or around the house: I have been thinking of starting that DDP yoga that the old decrepit wrestlers use to rehab. Thanks again.

whatdaheck ago

Gymnastics is a great way to get strength! I’d save the weights for once they’ve stopped growing so it doesn’t stunt their growth.

Hippie_Housewife ago

Light to moderate weights won't stunt their growth; it's just once you get up to lifting and pressing your own bodyweight and beyond that things get dicey.

SilverAirplane ago

Very much in agreement. Ballet, classical dance and even folk dancing can be a beautiful and artistic and very moving expressions of emotion and joy.

Be aware if enrolling in general dance classes that these frequently include hip hop and urban dance.

If your purpose for dance includes beauty & grace, hip hop will take them in exactly the opposite direction.

FSA-got-aleppo ago

hip hop and urban dance.

This is just the niggerification of culture

beefartist ago

Precisely. Someday your daughter WILL end up at a club, and if you don't teach her to stay away from these filthy niggers and arabs, and not tolerate nigger/arab behaviour from white males...let me know your address...