guys the future is now
this is the fn p90
why yes it has been selected by space force as the official weapon of the space marines to combat aliens
lol
ok so thats a lie but seriously look at this thing
thats some scifi shit right there
so what even is the deal
well it goes back to the late 80s
when nato was getting ready to upgrade their everything to defend against the new computerized commies of the future
during the 80s both sides were putting a lot of effort into fancy high technology for their soldiers
space stuff and lasers and techno everthings
a lot of it ended up being scrapped
but a handful of things went on to finish their development
one big thing nato was worried about was the idea that every single commie was going to have body armor on
now natos infantry were mainly using rifles in either 5.56x45 or 7.62x51
thatll go through soft armor pretty well
but again we run into the issue of the guys behind the lines doing auxillary support
i swear these fucking truck drivers
so like back in wwii we had that m1 carbine
but that was decades ago and it was basically abandoned
so now everybody was just using 9mm pistols
ug
nato had to reinvent the concept of the personal defense weapon
they wanted a shoulder fired weapon weighing like 6lbs
and a matchy match pistol weighing like 2lbs
the rifle had to hit at 200 m and go through level IIIa body armor
no small feat
guys IIIa stops .44 magnum at the muzzle
so fabrique nationale and heckler und koch both submitted designs for guns and ammunition
fn created the 5.7x28mm cartridge
hk made a similarly tiny 4.6x30
both rounds are designed to be tiny and very very fast to get through armor
nato looked at the designs and everybody said the 5.7 was the clear winner
except all the germans oops lol
so whatever nato didnt standardize and both designs are out there
but the offerings from fn are more widespread
the pistol fn made is the Five-seveN
it has a lot of little technical details that are interesting
but overall its much less of a departure from its contemporaries
meanwhile the p90 is unlike anything else
its fully ambidextrous
super short and light
everything is plastic
friggin everything
and its a bullpup
ok so first what is a bullpup
did i talk about this before
well nobody knows how the name came about
but it refers to designs where the action is behind the fire control group
so normally a rifle looks like this
but bullpups are like this
a specific definition could be something like
a bullpup is a weapon where the chamber is behind the fire control mechanism
this has pros and cons
but with the p90 the designers were trying very hard to keep it compact
it has to fit in armored vehicles and helicopters
like no longer than a mans shoulders are wide
and a bullpup is a great way of doing that
another thing they did to make it compact was their crazy magazine system
so normally a long magazine sticks out right
well they stuck it along the longest axis of the weapon
and it has the cartridges do this crazy twist right at the end
its pretty unusual
but as a result everything is super slick and compact
plus it holds like 50 rds
awesome
it has more slick features too
literally everything is ambidextrous
mag release charging handle safety selector you name it
even the ejection is special
the cases dump straight down out the back
and everything is super ergonomic which is why everything looks funky
it definitely seems like itd work well for somebody who needs something light and compact
but they dont train with all the time
and they need to just stay out of the way until suddenly holy shit theyre attacking us
but then the funny thing is it never did what it was supposed to
because the soviet union fell just as the p90 was coming out
but thats ok they still made them
they made probably less than 20000 so far
but they are often used by bodyguards
secret service
special forces guys
antiterrorism units
special police
and so on
one time back in 1997 these peruvian special forces guys used the p90 to take out hostage takers who were wearing body armor
the weapon worked well and helped save a bunch of people
kickass
now
we talked about the weirdness
but how does it operate
well its actually just a simple blowback mechanism
surrounded by plastic parts
it field strips stupid quick
push a button and it falls apart
crazy
the original version had an optical sight permanently mounted to the weapon
they did this a lot in the late 80s
but soon people realized we need rails on everything
if you want to buy one
they do sell long barreled versions in semi auto
and you can get a shorter barrel to make it a semiauto sbr if you want
theyre not super duper plentiful
but they arent impossible to find
if you need one make it happen
live the dream dude
as for ammo
they stopped importing the fancy ammo originally sold and made to go through armor
and nowadays anything you find is probably specifically designed to not pierce armor well
what are they afraid of hmm are the police contemplating misbehavior
but regardless the 5.7 round is pretty cool and people are still actively working on it
so itll be around for sure
and even tho it didnt get to really fight commies
it has definitely earned its spot as the creator of the new style of pdws
any pdw these days studied the p90 hard
its a super cool gun
and really
who wouldnt want to be a space marine
im doing my part
lol
pew pew
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Battlefat ago
The popularity of the p90 has grown immensely in the last few years, probably due to West World favoring them as the fictional robo-ranger sidearm of choice. In my own lengthy search for a reliable semi auto defense weapon, I settled on either a p90 or AR10. Choosing the latter makes for a decidedly more interesting story, because the out of the box reliability of the p90 is pretty fucking boring unlike your story clammy which is pretty fucking interesting.
Also, curious you didn’t make mention of the getting harder to find proprietary FN red dot — I’ve used one and the system works wonderfully as a group. Anything larger than a micro red dot on the front end of the rifle makes it look ridiculous, which is why I ultimately ruled it out
clamhurt_legbeard ago
a
L i know about the original sight is hey eventually moved to rails lol
is there more to the story
what sort of interesting things can you tell us
as for p90 vs ar10
thats pretty apples to oranges lol
Battlefat ago
Here is a link to a ps90 with FN branded sight produced by C-More sight systems. It’s housing is a lightweight polymer, so some folks feel it isn’t a durable option. I’d guess that a direct strike at an odd angle would screw up a lightweight aluminum housing equally so it’s a matter of preference since, to me at least, a miniature red dot is a miniature red dot. I’ve used the ps90 with the FN branded dot and hit overlapping rounds at 50 yds offhand so I know the damn thing works. I can’t attest to its durability but if formal militaries equip their soldiers with them, their protocols and armorers must feel their infantries suitably equipped for engagement.
As a lightweight battle rifle, the ps90 with open sights or red dot is sufficient for cqb up and out to intermediate distances <200m. For anything further out to 800m and for taking larger game than a varmint, I prefer my scoped AR10 in .308. Since I already have several reliable small caliber rifles, to add an additional small caliber rifle would have felt redundant...so I didn’t. But that’s not to say I won’t — to own all the guns is a pipe dream but I’m not ready to put the pipe down yet
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clamhurt_legbeard ago
wow
very interesting and nice shooting
i think the biggest reason they dont use an integral sight anymore is simply we have the expectation of customization and modularity nowadays
the g36 had a built in optic system that was very nice
but new ones have picatinny
i dont know much about c more but it sounds like it did fine for you