Because of his big mouth, Mittens is going to become the lightning rod that leads to the exposure his cult to the entire world. What has been allowed to go on in the dark corners of the desert for generations, will soon become main street conversations. Keep your ears open.
The LDS membership in general, including my family and friends, are very loving and respectful people, but that isn't to say those at the top can't let their 'fame', status, etc. get to their heads.
Plus, what's with all the pentagrams all over early SLC and Nauvoo Temples and architecture? Weird. JS and his ocultic beliefs, Jupiter talisman, etc.? Also weird.
"For I am God, and there is no other." Isa 43:10-11 "Understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Me." So we should understand God is not making other gods with a small g. Anyone who comes along and says you too will be as god is saying exactly what the Devil said to Eve.
We have our share of scumbags (I'm looking at you, Reid). And I'm certain that Satanists have infiltrated into the Church just as they have every other significant organization in the world. We trust that people are telling the truth and we let God deal with the rest. When bad actors are discovered, as is demonstrated by the article you link, they are rooted out as quickly as possible and referred to legal authorities as appropriate. We have no cultural acceptance of this kind of behavior, and that is what any and every impartial investigation into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints will find. We aren't afraid of scrutiny.
As for symbolism, let's consider the idea that Satan loves to take holy symbols and pervert them to evil purposes. We claim to be the restored Church of Jesus Christ. Does it not stand to reason that such symbols would likewise be restored to their proper usage?
I don't know anything about "Jupiter talisman." But if you look at some of the beliefs he had as a young man, they were in line with common beliefs of the time. Magic was granted more credence in his day than it is today; it's not surprising that he had some incorrect ideas drawn from the culture around him. What made Joseph stand out is that when God showed him the truth he followed it. Not imperfectly - a good chunk of our scripture and history deal with just how human Joseph was, and like everyone else he had to learn line upon line. But I am convinced both from my own historical study as well as the testimony of the Holy Spirit and application of the principles that he taught that Joseph was indeed a genuine prophet of God.
Thank you for approaching with reason. Many former members are not as polite as you.
I can respect that all major influential groups could have been potentially infiltrated by satanists over the years, so to hold blame over one and not another is unrealistic, and unfair to the cause for truth and justice. I also get that JS was heavily influenced by his culture, and trust me, I've been around and around these topics (in my own head and with those of all varying degrees of belief). The BoM itself is highly representative of commonly held beliefs of that timeframe. Perfect example is the gadiaton robbers (often touted by lds Q supporters as a sign that LDS have been aware of the deep state for 100's of years, but one only needs to research the conspiracy theories stirred by William Morgan exposing Freemasonry, and how that was a common theme of his time period that got baked right into the BoM.
In the end, Patriot, we could discuss this stuff all night (I have before), but really, we have the same roots, and similar hearts. Over time, greater understanding will continue to be brought to light. So keeping an open mind is the most important thing. I'm open to the idea that I have some things wrong, and open to what's in store for the world as truth continues to rise to the top. Blessings to you.
Oh cool. Just what I thought was odd phrasing but my perception of it was off. I like Italy, good engineers. Well...creative engineers with good execution.
Thanks for asking. The term "magic underwear" is based on what people think we believe, not what we actually believe.
What the temples are for is to provide a place where we can make covenants with God, which basically boil down to "I will be a good person and serve God." The garment is a symbol of those covenants designed as a daily reminder. It's very similar in purpose to religious garb of many religions, except we choose to wear it under our clothing.
As for Salt Lake, what can I tell you? It's a big town. Every big town has bad parts. Next time you're around, take the time to tour some of the Church-owned sites around Temple Square. The Conference Center is quite impressive just from an architectural standpoint. Go inside, they offer free tours. As long as there isn't an event going on, everybody's welcome.
Huh....well, I can get behind your stated motivations, and I do respect the moon commitment to community. But its "different" to me. And you know how that goes.
Sure, things we're not used to always seem weird. All we're asking is that we're extended the same courtesies as everybody else doing "weird" things for the right reasons. Thanks for the question, Anon!
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15894328? ago
Because of his big mouth, Mittens is going to become the lightning rod that leads to the exposure his cult to the entire world. What has been allowed to go on in the dark corners of the desert for generations, will soon become main street conversations. Keep your ears open.
15896332? ago
You can keep dreaming, won't happen. We've nothing to hide.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints has survived far worse. It'll survive Mitt's stupidity.
Nothing like what you're talking about will come to light because there is nothing to come to light.
15897500? ago
As a former LDS myself, I've heard of some such cases. See this, for example (PDF): http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/pdfnewsletters/80saltlakecitymessenger.pdf
The LDS membership in general, including my family and friends, are very loving and respectful people, but that isn't to say those at the top can't let their 'fame', status, etc. get to their heads.
Plus, what's with all the pentagrams all over early SLC and Nauvoo Temples and architecture? Weird. JS and his ocultic beliefs, Jupiter talisman, etc.? Also weird.
15909845? ago
Just curious...whats with the special Mormon underwear? Whats the purpose?
15906191? ago
"For I am God, and there is no other." Isa 43:10-11 "Understand that I am He. Before Me there was no God formed, nor shall there be after Me." So we should understand God is not making other gods with a small g. Anyone who comes along and says you too will be as god is saying exactly what the Devil said to Eve.
15897687? ago
We have our share of scumbags (I'm looking at you, Reid). And I'm certain that Satanists have infiltrated into the Church just as they have every other significant organization in the world. We trust that people are telling the truth and we let God deal with the rest. When bad actors are discovered, as is demonstrated by the article you link, they are rooted out as quickly as possible and referred to legal authorities as appropriate. We have no cultural acceptance of this kind of behavior, and that is what any and every impartial investigation into the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints will find. We aren't afraid of scrutiny.
As for symbolism, let's consider the idea that Satan loves to take holy symbols and pervert them to evil purposes. We claim to be the restored Church of Jesus Christ. Does it not stand to reason that such symbols would likewise be restored to their proper usage?
I don't know anything about "Jupiter talisman." But if you look at some of the beliefs he had as a young man, they were in line with common beliefs of the time. Magic was granted more credence in his day than it is today; it's not surprising that he had some incorrect ideas drawn from the culture around him. What made Joseph stand out is that when God showed him the truth he followed it. Not imperfectly - a good chunk of our scripture and history deal with just how human Joseph was, and like everyone else he had to learn line upon line. But I am convinced both from my own historical study as well as the testimony of the Holy Spirit and application of the principles that he taught that Joseph was indeed a genuine prophet of God.
Thank you for approaching with reason. Many former members are not as polite as you.
15897983? ago
I can respect that all major influential groups could have been potentially infiltrated by satanists over the years, so to hold blame over one and not another is unrealistic, and unfair to the cause for truth and justice. I also get that JS was heavily influenced by his culture, and trust me, I've been around and around these topics (in my own head and with those of all varying degrees of belief). The BoM itself is highly representative of commonly held beliefs of that timeframe. Perfect example is the gadiaton robbers (often touted by lds Q supporters as a sign that LDS have been aware of the deep state for 100's of years, but one only needs to research the conspiracy theories stirred by William Morgan exposing Freemasonry, and how that was a common theme of his time period that got baked right into the BoM.
In the end, Patriot, we could discuss this stuff all night (I have before), but really, we have the same roots, and similar hearts. Over time, greater understanding will continue to be brought to light. So keeping an open mind is the most important thing. I'm open to the idea that I have some things wrong, and open to what's in store for the world as truth continues to rise to the top. Blessings to you.
15898057? ago
Agreed. Likewise to you.
15896930? ago
What's with the magic underwear? And I've got to tell you, salt lake city feels dark, man.
15897663? ago
Own your own planet?
Man chooses if woman comes to planet or not based on her behavior.
Hmmmmm. Sexist much?
I got these questions from my liberal co worker.
15897922? ago
Your liberal co-worker is misinformed regarding our beliefs.
15901237? ago
Is English your second language? Not criticizing, genuinely curious.
15902989? ago
Nope. Italian is.
15903041? ago
Oh cool. Just what I thought was odd phrasing but my perception of it was off. I like Italy, good engineers. Well...creative engineers with good execution.
15903578? ago
I didn't get to know the engineers, unless they were interested in talking about religion :-) A wonderful people, though. Kind and warm.
15903802? ago
Boppa de boopy?
15897358? ago
Thanks for asking. The term "magic underwear" is based on what people think we believe, not what we actually believe.
What the temples are for is to provide a place where we can make covenants with God, which basically boil down to "I will be a good person and serve God." The garment is a symbol of those covenants designed as a daily reminder. It's very similar in purpose to religious garb of many religions, except we choose to wear it under our clothing.
Here's an official explanation from the Church: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkTz_NQqKA8
As for Salt Lake, what can I tell you? It's a big town. Every big town has bad parts. Next time you're around, take the time to tour some of the Church-owned sites around Temple Square. The Conference Center is quite impressive just from an architectural standpoint. Go inside, they offer free tours. As long as there isn't an event going on, everybody's welcome.
15901266? ago
Huh....well, I can get behind your stated motivations, and I do respect the moon commitment to community. But its "different" to me. And you know how that goes.
15902961? ago
Sure, things we're not used to always seem weird. All we're asking is that we're extended the same courtesies as everybody else doing "weird" things for the right reasons. Thanks for the question, Anon!
15896602? ago
HahahzhhzhgGAHAHAVVABAGvavBVhahahagahahah
15896759? ago
I know, right?
15895392? ago
I sincerely hope so cuz this shit had been going on for decades