15214819? ago

Sons of God are always angels. In every Old Testament usage. Sons of God always refers to angels (messenger beings). Fallen angels came into the daughters of men. Giants were produced. Nothing to do with Cain"s bloodline....

15214781? ago

Yep. Not of the bloodline of Caanan, however.

15214953? ago

Who was that brother's great great great great great great great granddaddy?

15214937? ago

Who was her brother?

15214934? ago

Who was the mother of Canaan?

15215088? ago

Ham's wife.

15215139? ago

Naamah

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There you go. The evil bloodlines are Canaanites. Many call themselves "Jews". Liars and deceivers......

15213685? ago

And Canaanites descend from Cain. Who descends from the Devil.

15213886? ago

So you're saying that a serpent, whatever creature that was, mated with Eve and a "serpent-man" was born, named Cain.

So, how does an ape, for instance, mate with a human? You're saying that's possible. And that that should produce an ape-man. Or, how about a cow or a dog to produce a cow-man or a dog-man.

15213906? ago

you tell me. Where did those bloodlines go? Human Angel hybrids.

15214563? ago

You're mixing up two things. The progeny of the sons of God (angels (messengers)) were Nephilim or giants. The 13 bloodlines from Caannan, see any giants roaming around?

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Also... Many suggested interpretations are based on the assumption that the word is a derivative of Hebrew verbal root n-ph-l (נ־פ־ל) "fall". Robert Baker Girdlestone[4] argued in 1871 the word comes from the Hiphil causative stem, implying that the nephilim are to be perceived as "those that cause others to fall down". Ronald Hendel states that it is a passive form: "ones who have fallen", grammatically analogous to paqid "one who is appointed" (i.e., overseer), asir "one who is bound" (i.e., prisoner), etc.

15214686? ago

Angels(aliens)

15214885? ago

Angels: spiritual beings

"Inter dimensional beings" if you'd like.

"Aliens" is not in the vocabulary of God.

Can cause some confusion introducing words and concepts invented by men.

It is quite like Eve, adding, omitting and changing.... Causes confusion. Confusion is of the devil.

15214913? ago

God(The Alien) seemed pretty pissed about that.

15215042? ago

He's likely pissed at you for the same reason.

15214904? ago

Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel."

15215001? ago

"Her seed".

You do know women don't have seed, no? It is obviously figurative. And a prophecy. Do you understand what is prophesied?

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Let's consider the first element of the Lord God's response, the enmity between the serpent and woman. If we reason with a "tooth for tooth" rationale, a consequence relating to the nature of the relationship the serpent would henceforth have with the woman implies that the causative offense relates to the nature of the relationship the serpent previously had with her. Is this making sense? The word "enmity" means "hatred" or "hostility." What kind of offense is suggested in contrast? Here's a list of antonyms for "enmity": "love, friendship, affection, harmony, warmth, goodwill, friendliness, amity, cordiality, geniality" Is there a hint of association with either "light snack" or "sex orgy" versions? Perhaps the serpent was just being the nice guy, a cordial ambassador of goodwill like the official Garden of Eden "Welcome Wagon" rep when he beguiled Eve, offering her a shiny red magical apple? No, that just doesn't work. He was lying, deceiving, laying a snare for her. Friends don't do that. What if his relationship towards Eve (because this is his consequence, not Eve's) was more extreme, more passionate. Certainly, hostility and hatred can be intensely passionate, right? We must add to the list of relationship words the more extreme "lust" and "passionate desire." Now we can begin to perceive some judicial logic in the consequence. According to certain legends of the Jews, Lucifer lusted after Eve. He coveted her for his own. The judgment that is the enmity between the serpent and the woman speaks to this probability. With such an understanding as this, we have a validating continuity when later we find testimony about the sons of god lusting after and taking the daughters of men to wife. The "apple" does not fall far from the Tree. But let's not get ahead of ourselves.

Many see in this a messianic prophecy that will play out until what is written in Revelation 20:10 is fulfilled and the devil is thrown into the lake of fire and brimstone. We see in the context how this seed of hers is immediately linked to the "he" of the bruisings. We perceive in it a prophecy about a conception that occurred when a young virgin of the lineage of Judah was accepting of being overshadowed by the Holy Spirit and who subsequently brought forth the Messiah. We perceive the bruising of His heel as a betrayal, beating and then a crucifixion on a hillside East of Jerusalem. We understand the enmity as existing between the antichrist and Christ. This is very profound, yet, more is implied!

While the brains of those of us schooled in Babylon might habitually snap into auto-pilot and fly something resembling the pattern I just described, let's focus our attention on the matter of "your seed." This address to the serpent in response to what had just happened in the Garden pertains to his seed. If we restrain ourselves from making the big theological leap into the future and consider the context we leave when we make that jump we find ourselves seeing the matter in a light we may never have seen before. Serpent seed? Why bring the matter of seed up to the serpent if all he had done is trick the woman and man into disobedience with a light snack from a forbidden tree? How does that make sense? Should this make sense? I think so! It does if the activity in the Garden was procreative because the figurative usage of seed is about progeny, and progeny is brought forth by acts of procreation! The serpent's seed is mentioned because he had just sired offspring with the woman and this horrific situation was being addressed. This makes sense.

The implication is that the woman was pregnant. While carrying the serpent's seed, she conceived again, with Adam. In due season these children were delivered, Cain first then Abel, and daughters too. There was enmity between the serpent's seed, Cain, and the woman's seed, Abel, as promised. The enmity or hatred was so passionate that Cain murdered Abel.

15215390? ago

Fanciful.

Correct regarding the promised seed of the woman. The overshadowing was the impregnation of the woman with the perfect seed, producing the Christ child, the second Adam, he of perfect, pure blood.

Correct regarding the bruising. Well done!

Genesis 4:7 "IF thou doest well, shalt thou not be accepted? And if thou doest not well, sin lieth at the door. And unto thee shall be his desire, and thou shalt rule over him."

This spoken to the "progeny of the enemy" as you suppose.

"Shalt thou not be accepted..."

Appears that acceptance of the "devil seed" was available. How can that be? The child of the devil is the enemy. Hated.

15215454? ago

Just because Cain was fathered by Satan doesnt mean God didn't give him his fair chance at doing right in life. So Christs blood needed to be pure HUMAN blood and not of the corrupted lineage created by Satan in the garden. It was an attempt to prevent the birth of Christ by polluting the bloodline. The flood almost got them all. Naamah.

15215649? ago

Your logic's falling apart. How is it that the devil's seed has any hope of doing right in life? That's absurd.

Pure evil spawns a creature that is not man. What do you think pure evil produces? A pure evil creature. I don't believe God would waste time giving pure evil a chance at doing right in life. That would be impossible, no? Pure evil doing right, that is.

ALL progeny of Adam were fallen creatures, including Cain and Abel. All of us with a fallen or sin nature. All of us capable of allowing sin (the ways of the devil, the adversary, the enemy) to hold regnancy in our lives. This is what Cain allowed and chose. He had a choice to master sin, or allow it to master him. He let sin hold regnancy, manifested by murdering his brother. In this manner, he is the seed of the serpent, a child of Satan. And yet, quite still redeemable. With repentance. That's what God offered. That's what Cain rejected.

15215809? ago

My logic is still intact. Your belief is what's keeping you from accepting it. Cain was part Human and part fallen Angel(alien). By no means does that make him unable to be righteous. Ironically though, he was quite wicked. More from the Bible... You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

John 8:44

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Again, your logic falls apart. Why would God destroy the alien- human hybrids in the flood if they had the potential to be righteous? That would be rather unrighteous on God's part, no?

"Ye are of your father the devil, (by choice)

"And the lust of your father ye will do (by choice)

Then it goes on to explain the nature of the father and his ways that they have chosen.

And, in contrast, Christ explains what is the truth. Which they refuse to hear having given themselves wholly over to evil.

So then those dudes project and claim Christ has a devil spirit.

In fact, the devil spirits had entered into these wicked Jews.

You do know about the satanic rituals the elite bloodlines perform on their progeny, no? This is a process of inviting in satanic spirits. Children of the devil in this fashion. Seed of the serpent.

As the new birth involves an implanting of spiritual seed, an assurance of eternal life, so too the accepting of Satan's spiritual seed ensures an eternal destruction. These are the children of wrath....

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God is patient with his wrath. He waits to allow people to change (Gen. 15:13-16; Rom. 1:18; 2:5-6). Speaking of wrath...

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And the physical seed that Satan planted in the belly of Eve. That started the bloodline the Devil tried to stop the birth of Christ with. The bloodline continues for a reason. I shall explain...

15216519? ago

There was no need for Christ before the fall. That couldn't possibly have been the motive for Satan in beguiling Eve.

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So you're saying Satan couldn't of possessed knowledge beyond our understanding. And let's not forget that Satan always wanted to be like God. So he too wanted to create a race to populate the Earth.

15217123? ago

Lucifer, the Bright and Morning Star, was a created being. Being a creation of God, he had not the full knowledge of God. Iniquity was found in him as he desired to be the MOST HIGH. And he got his ass kicked out of God's grace. In the rebellion the creation was destroyed. God restored the heaven and earth and created man to rule over the new digs. Satan wasn't pleased that this dirt creation had rule over his former domain. That's why he intervened and fucked with man. Satan had no ability to procreate before his fall, nor after. Nothing in scripture indicates that spiritual beings can reproduce. The angels in heaven neither marry nor are given in marriage.....

15217192? ago

Wait - what? Daughters were born to men? Oh, I get it, It's a figure of speech. :) Am I being silly? Well, ok, but my point is that it's a good practice to acknowledge when figures are being used because they are used purposefully in the scriptures. They should give us pause to consider what's being called to our attention. When we follow through in this context we discover the Hebrew text making the point that the daughters taken for wives are of the stock of Adam and Eve, pedigreed, if you will. This made them fair, beautiful, and particularly attractive to the sons of god, the angels who left their former estate according to Jude. These sons of god are also referred to as "Watchers," according to Enoch.

You see, the word for "men" in the Hebrew of verse 1 is singular and appears with the article, so "men" is more accurately, "the Adam." (See Bullinger's Companion Bible notes or his Appendix 14.) So, when men began to multiply, the offspring in view are specifically "the Adam" kind. Yes, in contrast to the serpent kind, of the Cain branch. Why would the "the Adam" be explicitly identified if there was no alternate kind? When verse 1 declares that daughters were born to "them," it points to Adam and Eve. In verse 2, the word "men" is as in verse 1, so the daughters of men are the daughters of "the Adam."

The sons of god preferred the daughters of Adam and Eve over the daughters of Cain, who were already the corrupted seed of the serpent.

Cain was the son of the serpent. If not, none of this activity that led to the judgment of the flood has any precedent and we see no logical continuity in this development of the biblical narrative of history.

If you consider what qualified Noah and his family for salvation you find that his just behavior was only part of the qualification. Verse 9 declares that "Noah was a just man and perfect in his generations," meaning, genetically pure. He had the right pedigree, being of the Lord God through Adam and Eve without mixture. Anyone who reads Genesis 6 can see that judgment was related to the sons of god taking the daughters of men to wife, who populated the earth with their wicked offspring. These angelic beings who left their former estate had procreative ability, and procreate they did with the pedigreed daughters of Adam. The time came when the limit of this mixture with the Serpent's seed was reached and drastic measures were called for. Intervention came at the appointed time. The last of the just Adamic race was preserved as seed to repopulate the earth while the wicked flesh progeny of the serpent through Cain and the Watchers were purged from the face of the ground.

After the flood (Genesis 9), the Lord God promised He would never again destroy the earth by water, and he set the rainbow in the cloud as a sign of that covenant. Yet, He never promised the earth wouldn't be destroyed by other means.

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Okay then. Don't disagree that the sons of God were angelic beings. Don't disagree that the daughters of the Adam were of Adam and Eve. Where I'll disagree is that the daughters of men did not include those born in the line of Cain. For Cain was of the Adamic line. You say Cain was a child of the devil.

Let's look at Bullinger. Specifically Appendix 23. "This irruption of angels was Satan's FIRST attempt to prevent the coming of the Seed of the woman foretold in Gen 3:15." I agree with Bullinger here: first attempt. Which makes sense as Satan only became aware of God's plan when revealed in Genesis 3:15.

Also, if as you contend, Cain was the child of Satan, the bloodline of Adam had already been contaminated 50:50 good: evil, what need for an irruption of angels to accomplish what had already been done?

No question Noah was pure in his genetics. The reason for the flood was clear.

When were the angels created?

Is the angels' habitation a spiritual realm?

Were angels created with the ability to procreate with men? (Before men were even created)?

Are there any female angels? (No indication of that). Why would God give procreative abilities to angels that could not be utilized except with the daughters of men? "They neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like the angels in heaven."

I'll follow with more. What say you?

15222205? ago

The Devil's main motivation in fathering Cain was that he was jealous of God and wanted to be like Him who is the most high. Satan wanted to create a race that would populate the Earth as well. He fooled Eve into sleeping with him and fathered Cain in his attempt.

The angels existed before the creation of man. They were with God in heaven before God created Earth and man. Satan was a fallen Angel himself and was cast out of heaven for trying to lead a rebellion against God. Satan wanted to be the HNIC. All the angels that sided with him also became part of the fallen angel crew.

As for the Nephilim being Satan's FIRST attempt to prevent the birth of Christ through contamination of the human bloodline, the answer lies in his motive for encouraging pro-creation. His original motive was to be like He who is the most high. His motive then switched to preventing the birth of Christ.

The angels(aliens) descended from the heavens(outer space). Is outer space a spiritual realm or did they all just come from another planet?

As for your quote "They neither marry, nor are given in marriage, but are like the angels in heaven" all I can say is look at this passage from scripture that clearly uses the word "marriage". Genesis 6:1-8 New International Version (NIV) 6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.” Here is the same passage from the KJV. Genesis 6:1-8 King James Version (KJV) 6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

Clearly you see the word "wives" at the end, and I do not know another reason to call them that other than a marriage taking place.

Lastly I will reiterate what was stated above about the fallen angels laying with the daughters of man... You see, the word for "men" in the Hebrew of verse 1 is singular and appears with the article, so "men" is more accurately, "the Adam." (See Bullinger's Companion Bible notes or his Appendix 14.) So, when men began to multiply, the offspring in view are specifically "the Adam" kind. Yes, in contrast to the serpent kind, of the Cain branch. Why would the "the Adam" be explicitly identified if there was no alternate kind? When verse 1 declares that daughters were born to "them," it points to Adam and Eve. In verse 2, the word "men" is as in verse 1, so the daughters of men are the daughters of "the Adam."

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Can't get around: "And Adam knew his wife, and she conceived..." Doesn't say she conceived a second time.

"...and bare Cain...." by this conception upon Adam knowing Eve.

"... and said, I have gotten a man from Jehovah"

You say Eve is referring to Satan here. If you can site any other verse where Satan, Lucifer, the Devil is called or referred to by the name Jehovah, you might make your point that Satan sired Cain.

Satan=The Serpent= Jehovah????

The name Cain means acquisition. "I have gotten an acquisition from Jehovah." This according to "be fruitful and multiply".

God is Light. God is Spirit. Reconcile. The Light is unapproachable by man. Impossible. How then does God "access" the physical realm He created. The image of God is Spirit. God is Spirit. The Spirit is the Light in concretion, so to speak.

All things must be understood with spiritual understanding. This understanding only comes from God, which is the Light in Spirit "form". That is the greatness of the new birth. The receiving of holy spirit. A spirit connection with God. A restoration of what Adam lost in the fall. Albeit in an imperfect, sinful flesh. Adam lost the eternal spirit, the image of God, in the fall. Thus, death entered. "Thou shalt surely die."

The sons of God, spiritual beings, the angels, had not physical bodies. And yet, they came into the daughters of men, physical bodies, and engendered children. How can this be? It makes no sense that God gave them procreative abilities, but not amongst the angels, for we know of no female angels. Did God impart a sex drive within the angels? The lust of the flesh in a spiritual being? We know the angels had the ability to rebel which infers a freedom to choose. But, how do you attribute the lusts and desires of the carnal mind to the angels? We know the angels had joy. But, joy is not an "emotion". It is a spiritual matter of the heart. We know certain angels may manifest in the appearance of men. (They don't have wings. Lol).

Perhaps the angels that left their first estate, entered into men, "devil spirits" entering in and taking the place reserved for the Spirit which had been vacated due to the fall of Adam. Through the eyes of man and through their lusts the spirits that left their own habitation and entered the habitation of men took unto them wives...... Through this means the genetics were altered and eventually giants born unto men. As we see the Canaanites in our day and time, invite and encourage devil spirits to enter in, so too in the days of Noah. And, likely, Cain was the instrument the devil used to corrupt men's mind to this unholy interaction with the angels of the rebellion.

15226246? ago

I also mentioned this while were on the subject. And all this talk about the book of revelation and Johns vision of the end of days and whether or not we are in them and can we stop the one world government and blah blah blah. If we're going to get Biblical lets get nuts again. Q is the Anti-Christ. You're all fooled into thinking you're following the good guy and you're really just helping Trump and Q insert the one world government that is prophesied in the book of revelation by John. Q is the Mark of Cain because it was an ancient letter. Some people theorize it was a letter that Cain bore as his marking. So y the fuck not? Q is an alien and the anti-Christ because he is descended from the satanic bloodline started by Lucifer himself in eves belly.

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Too much reptilian youtube programming for you. Think "Invasion of the Bodysnatchers". It's a much closer reality as to how angels might mate with women. Your theory that God is an alien and Satan his alien archenemy and they both planted their seed on the planet has it's roots in pagan mystery religion. Babylonian theology that elevates Satan. "Chariots of the Gods" nonsense. It is not biblically supported. You try, but it simply doesn't fit withe the narrative of the book. It is a spiritual book written for spiritual eyes and understood spiritually. God is not a man. Nor was Christ Jesus God. God-men or alien reptilian hybrid men concepts are lies of the serpent. He's a pompous ass. As if he could sire children of his own. Pfffft. But, you've done a good job of trying to interpret scripture to fit your narrative. It's persuasive. I've heard it all before. Many times. But, it simply doesn't fit. It is error.Even Bullinger, who did great work, has to rely on Greek and Roman myths legends to try to support the concept of angels mating with women. That's a little suspect.....

Q could be working toward those ends. Could be a great deception. Is Q an "alien"? Too much Star Trek programming for you.

15227455? ago

So the Genesis passage is just wrong. Genesis 6:1-8 King James Version (KJV) 6 And it came to pass, when men began to multiply on the face of the earth, and daughters were born unto them,

2 That the sons of God saw the daughters of men that they were fair; and they took them wives of all which they chose.

3 And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.

4 There were giants in the earth in those days; and also after that, when the sons of God came in unto the daughters of men, and they bare children to them, the same became mighty men which were of old, men of renown.

5 And God saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And it repented the Lord that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

7 And the Lord said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

8 But Noah found grace in the eyes of the Lord.

Or your conditioning and what you have come to believe has closed the door on you accepting the reality of the situation. If God, a spiritual being, can father a child, then why can't other spiritual beings father children? Why don't you question the lust and human emotion side of things when it comes to the immaculate conception?

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Already answered that one. You're blinded to that truth apparently. I'll try again. "Jesus Christ our promised seed." Look it up. It's in the book.

God CREATED the seed, the sperm, with which Mary was impregnated. The promised seed of the woman.

Do you think God just spewed a whole bunch of sperm in Mary and hoped for the best?

Perfect seed, perfect sperm formed in Mary's womb and impregnated her. It was a virgin conception. No alien came down and fucked her.

Nature laws were not violated. Although a miraculous conception occurred.

Other spiritual beings cannot create. It's that simple. Only God creates.

God is not a "being". God is Light. God is Spirit. Notice it doesn't say God is A spirit.

15228160? ago

It's really kind of amusing to see how much people defend their beliefs. They do not want their worldview to collapse and have to admit that they could be wrong after all this time. All that energy commited to a belief that is most definitely unprovable. At the quantum level of physics everything is energy. What that energy is depends on the pattern of its vibration. Electrons are energy. Protons are energy. Atoms are energy. Your fingernail is energy. Your physical brain waves(thoughts) are energy. Those thoughts have a physical consequence on the world around you. The dirt is energy. Oxygen is energy. Light is energy. Energy is everywhere and comprises everything. E=mc2. The relative state of energy depends on the speed at which it travels. In the beginning the Lord said let there be light. Are you saying that he created himself in the beginning? Was there a giant explosion that emitted this light? Since you seem to have all the answers to a topic that is clearly faith based, I was hoping you could help me out with those two questions as well.

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All you speak of is of the physical realm.

And while all is energy,as you say, as we attempt to identify and quantify and define our reality, it is nothing more than the physical creation. And quite frankly, you haven't proven shit. You BELIEVE in a theory of things. And yet you rail on those that BELIEVE in God.

You worship the creation more than the Creator. But, that's your business.

God is.

There's the answer to your two questions.

15229103? ago

It's amazing you have come to the conclusion I don't believe in God since my interpretation of a book written by light doesn't align with yours.

15229193? ago

Fair enough.

Tell me a little about the God in which you believe...

15229308? ago

I feel like I've already done enough of that throughout this thread and this one linked here https://voat.co/v/QRV/2871553. Read all the comments in both threads for a deeper understanding of my beliefs. I hope you enjoy it.

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Well then how do you explain genesis 6: 1-8?

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Fallen angel or devil spirit, if you will, entering man. Man controlled by devil spirit. Physically altered by devil spirit. Genetics damaged and altered.

Just as holy spirit entering in in the new birth can enliven and restore one physically. Evil spirit entering can do damage.... The result in this case: Giants and rampant wickedness.

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PS You're assuming in your BELIEF.

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If you say so.

15228252? ago

Or was he a spirit being serpent?

15228248? ago

So was the serpent a real serpent?

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Well, the serpent is Nachash, a shining one, and it was more subtle (wiser) than any beast of the field (living creature or being) Serpent, then, being a reference to Satan. What was it's appearance? A snake, a reptile? Doubtful. Would you be mesmerized by a slithering, talking snake or dragon? A shining one. Probably quite beautiful and mesmerizing. Some contend the appearance of a glorious shining woman with which Eve committed a lesbian act with the approval of Adam. Adam was present and "ate" also of the fruit or rather concurred with Eve's desire.

15228650? ago

The many interpretations of a book written by light. Perfectly logical and all together provable. Q is an alien. Prove me wrong.

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There is a whole other thread about this too if youd like to check that one out. It wasn't reveived very well. https://voat.co/v/QRV/2871553

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1) This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day when God created man, He made him in the likeness of God. 2) He created them male and female, and He blessed them and named them Man in the day when they were created. 3) When Adam had lived one hundred and thirty years, he became the father of a son in his own likeness, according to his image, and named him Seth. 4) Then the days of Adam after he became the father of Seth were eight hundred years, and he had other sons and daughters.

Genesis 5:1-4

What? Seth? What about Cain and Abel? This is obviously a pretty sparse genealogy. The phrase, "and he had other sons and daughters," doesn't offer anything in the way of help in our quest to discover Cain's paternity.

Given the usual status assigned to firstborn sons, by all rights we should expect that Cain would be first listed instead of Seth in Adam's genealogy. His omission must be noted. Cain's genealogy is given separately, before Adam's, in chapter 4. This genealogy begins with Cain, naming neither Adam nor another before him. While this is not conclusive evidence that Adam is not Cain's father, it must, at the very least, invite suspicion. If the Author intends to leave the truth of the matter for those who search it out more diligently, He is succeeding.

As for Abel's omission in the genealogy of Adam, we can understand how that when he was murdered, he was perhaps childless. He was formally substituted for Seth. According to Eve's declaration, this was by appointment from God.

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RECONCILE. He was the FATHER OF LIES. Cain was a LIE, carefully veiled by Eve as I explained before.

15227006? ago

The genealogy tracks the Christ line. Adam and Eve had sons and daughters, not all listed. Cain chose the ways of Satan. He had no place in the Christ line. Nor the other sons of Adam. The book does not track the entire geneology of Adam and Eve.

15227368? ago

Interesting thoughts. The curse of Cain was handed down by God. Cain's lineage descended to Lamech who fathered Tubal-Cain and Naamah, among his 77 children. Naamah was on the boat with Noah. The curse of Ham happened who fathered Canaan. The "giants" were spotted in the land of Canaan after the flood. Cain, Tubal-Cain and Canaan. The bloodline made it through to today and has been nasty ever since the beginning.

15227262? ago

RECONCILE. He was the FATHER OF LIES. Cain was a LIE, carefully veiled by Eve as I explained before. Please.

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So you make God the liar with that logic. The Bible is God's Word. And you're saying Eve was allowed to deceive us regarding Cain in God's Revelation to man. Ridiculous, dude.

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She carefully worded her statement. As I have already posted. I say the same shit over and over again. Upon delivering Cain, Eve declared that she had gotten a man with (Hebrew - 'eth) the Lord (Hebrew - Yehovah). If you research the name reference that is the Hebrew word Yehovah in all the surrounding context you find an interesting feature. Prior to Eve's declaration in Genesis 4:1 the word Yehovah is always followed by the word 'elohiym, forming "Lord God" - without exception. Eve's declaration marks a change. Why? Did she profane the name with reference to a lesser god? Well, that's something to think about..... Dont forget this too... 1 John 3:12 not as Cain, who was of the evil one and slew his brother And for what reason did he slay him? Because his deeds were evil, and his brother's were righteous.

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I already addressed that. Sloppy work man. In Eve's first recorded words she says God [Elohim].

Eve does not say Jehovah Elohim as you are contending. Every time before, you say, it's Jehovah Elohim. Wrong. It's not. So your position is based on an erroneous statement.

15228559? ago

Q is an alien and the Anti-Christ all rolled into one. A direct descendant of Cain's lineage. Prove me wrong. You can't. Oh wait, Q is Microchip. I forgot. Oh wait, Q is JFK Jr. Now it all makes logical sense.

15228465? ago

Further research would prove you wrong. Every great author has a method of concealing and revealing. There are many passages in the Bible that shed light on the lie that Eve perpetrated and the concealment of Cain's father, the serpent alien from outer space.

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List them. I'm all ears.

15229136? ago

Read this thread and all the comments. I've listed them enough. Enjoy https://voat.co/v/QRV/2871553

15227094? ago

Or this is blatant and your in denial: You are of your father the devil, and you want to do the desires of your father. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth because there is no truth in him. Whenever he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own nature, for he is a liar and the father of lies.

John 8:44

1 John 3:12 not as Cain, who was of the evil one and slew his brother And for what reason did he slay him? Because his deeds were evil, and his brother's were righteous.

15227989? ago

....who was of the seed of that evil one....

Wait a minute. That's not what it says.

And for what reason did he slay him? Because he was born of the devil's seed and as a result his deeds were evil....

Wait a minute. That's not what it says.

15228258? ago

There is a ton of info in both threads related to this. If you have questions, read them.

15228256? ago

Cain was.

15225780? ago

Well Satan is a fallen angel and he was clearly present on Earth in the Garden if Eden. I don't understand why you insist that angels cannot manifest themselves in a physical form here on Earth. Plus, the Nephilim were fallen angels. Cast down upon the Earth from heaven because they sided with Satan in his rebellion against God. The Bible clearly states that the fallen angels procreated with the daughters of man. There is definitely a distinction between wicked men and fallen angels. And as for your thought on "And Adam knew his wife, and she conceived..." I will say this again: Upon delivering Cain, Eve declared that she had gotten a man with (Hebrew - 'eth) the Lord (Hebrew - Yehovah). If you research the name reference that is the Hebrew word Yehovah in all the surrounding context you find an interesting feature. Prior to Eve's declaration in Genesis 4:1 the word Yehovah is always followed by the word 'elohiym, forming "Lord God" - without exception. Eve's declaration marks a change. Why? Did she profane the name with reference to a lesser god? Well, that's something to think about..... Dont forget this too... 1 John 3:12 not as Cain, who was of the evil one and slew his brother And for what reason did he slay him? Because his deeds were evil, and his brother's were righteous.

15217166? ago

PS God impregnated Mary. Yes or no? Is God a spiritual being or is he an ALIEN? Or both?

15221065? ago

Yes. Jesus was God's only BEGOTTEN son. Adam was created. So, God sired Yashua. How could this be if God is Spirit (as is clearly stated in scripture)? How could this be if Mary was a virgin? The Holy Spirit overshadowed or "mounted" Mary. A sperm was created within Mary's wound with which she was impregnated. Perfect seed, resulting in a man with perfect, pure blood. A virgin conception.

15224914? ago

Was Cain the son of Satan? I'm not arguing with you on the fact Jesus was conceived by a woman and a spiritual(alien) being. Angels(aliens) can, and in fact did, procreate with our fleshly bodies. That bloodline remains on this Earth to this very day. It is destined to be destroyed by the fire that will engulf the Earth in God's not great cleansing. Because he is a loving reptilian alien from outer space.

15217151? ago

FALSE! Genesis 6:1-8 New International Version (NIV) Wickedness in the World 6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

15216842? ago

Matthew 7:15-20 15Beware of the false prophets, who come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Grapes are not gathered from thorn bushes nor figs from thistles, are they? 17 So every good tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot produce bad fruit, nor can a bad tree produce good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 So then, you will know them by their fruits...

I used to be confused about this passage and the others like it. This really isn't about a tree that might have some good fruit and some bad fruit. This is about something other than our judging a person's deeds or the Lord's ultimate judgment of a person's deeds. This is Genesis language, where a tree reproduces after its kind.

Genesis 1: 11 Then God said, "Let the earth sprout vegetation, plants yielding seed, and fruit trees on the earth bearing fruit after their kind with seed in them"; and it was so...

Think - two kinds of fruit bearing trees, good and bad. Think - Garden of Eden. Think - Lord God tree and serpent tree. Think - Adam and Cain as the patriarchal fruit.

The reference made from Matthew 7's allegorical lesson to the account of the Garden is doubled, establishing the connection for us. The thorn bushes and thistles associated with the bad tree in Matthew 7:16 should seem familiar because these same two elements were part the judgment pronounced to Adam! "Cursed is the ground because of you ... Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you." Should these be understood as literal thorns and thistles, or, rather, according to the metaphorical language in the context of both Matthew 7 and Genesis 2 and 3 as men related to the bad tree? Consistent with the use of figurative language in these contexts, the thorns and thistles must represent the ungodly men of the bad tree.

The meaning of the thorns and thistles becomes even more apparent when you consider how the Lord God told Adam that the cursed ground would bring forth the thorn and thistle to him and that Adam himself was taken from the ground.

Genesis 3:17-19 17 Then to Adam He said, "Because you have listened to the voice of your wife, and have eaten from the tree about which I commanded you, saying, 'You shall not eat from it'; Cursed is the ground because of you; In toil you will eat of it All the days of your life. 18 Both thorns and thistles it shall grow for you; And you will eat the plants of the field; 19 By the sweat of your face You will eat bread, Till you return to the ground, Because from it you were taken; For you are dust, And to dust you shall return."

Amazingly, from the obscure language of this familiar passage of scripture comes the truth that thorn and thistle men from the cursed ground are promised until the end of Adam's, and even Adam-kind's age of abiding in this dust body. Today, as before the flood, two trees and their fruit are in the earth, and one of them is appointed for destruction.

Matthew 13:24-30 24 Jesus presented another parable to them, saying, "The kingdom of heaven may be compared to a man who sowed good seed in his field. 25 But while his men were sleeping, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went away. 26 But when the wheat sprouted and bore grain, then the tares became evident also. 27 The slaves of the landowner came and said to him, 'Sir, did you not sow good seed in your field? How then does it have tares?' 28 And he said to them, 'An enemy has done this!' The slaves said to him, 'Do you want us, then, to go and gather them up?' 29 But he said, 'No; for while you are gathering up the tares, you may uproot the wheat with them. 30 'Allow both to grow together until the harvest; and in the time of the harvest I will say to the reapers, "First gather up the tares and bind them in bundles to burn them up; but gather the wheat into my barn."'"

There are tares sown by the enemy in the field of wheat! These will be separated out and burned up. There is a bad tree that bears only bad fruit after its kind that will be cast into the fire. The enemy's tares, the bad fruit of the bad tree, the thorn bushes and thistles that the cursed ground brought forth for Adam, these are the ungodly men who are appointed for fire. The serpent's seed, even the firstborn, Cain, whose deeds were evil, was he not the first murderer among men, born of his father who was a murderer from the beginning? Cain's progeny were destroyed in the flood, yet, the fruit of this prolific Tree are among us and appointed for a day of judgment by fire.

This is not to say that your words and deeds will not be judged, of course, because they will, but your kind of judgment will pertain, first and foremost, to the kind of tree whose fruit you are.

15214681? ago

There were giants spotted in canaan

15213898? ago

the serpent was the Devil, a fallen Angel. Genesis 6:1-8 New International Version (NIV) Wickedness in the World 6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

15213637? ago

Yes it does. Can't twist it to fit your false narrative. Nice try though.

15214148? ago

Upon delivering Cain, Eve declared that she had gotten a man with (Hebrew - 'eth) the Lord (Hebrew - Yehovah). If you research the name reference that is the Hebrew word Yehovah in all the surrounding context you find an interesting feature. Prior to Eve's declaration in Genesis 4:1 the word Yehovah is always followed by the word 'elohiym, forming "Lord God" - without exception. Eve's declaration marks a change. Why? Did she profane the name with reference to a lesser god? Well, that's something to think about..... Dont forget this too... 1 John 3:12 not as Cain, who was of the evil one and slew his brother And for what reason did he slay him? Because his deeds were evil, and his brother's were righteous. Please explain.

15213664? ago

It doesn't in fact.

15213699? ago

You, then, have a reading comprehension problem. It's quite clear. Corroborated throughout the scripture....

15215185? ago

I in fact do not.

15211064? ago

And all this talk about the book of revelation and Johns vision of the end of days and whether or not we are in them and can we stop the one world government and blah blah blah. If we're going to get Biblical lets get nuts again. Q is the Anti-Christ. You're all fooled into thinking you're following the good guy and you're really just helping Trump and Q insert the one world government that is prophesied in the book of revelation by John. Q is the Mark of Cain because it was an ancient letter. Some people theorize it was a letter that Cain bore as his marking. So y the fuck not? Q is an alien and the anti-Christ because he is descended from the satanic bloodline started by Lucifer himself in eves belly.

15209819? ago

Q is an Ancient Alien!

15209962? ago

Reincarnated alien disciple!

15209787? ago

How do we know YOU aren’t an alien? From the planet SHILL ?

15209824? ago

I'm not an alien

15209543? ago

The craft that crashed at Roswell was produced right here on Terra firma. No reverse engineering required. You've bought that bullshit hook, line, and sinker, eh?

15209636? ago

Or was it?

15209413? ago

Or like "the alien" who declared "I will never leave thee, no forsake thee."

Regarding the garden, the "alien" who fathered Cain was a man. Cain and Abel were brothers. Hardly, an "alien hybrid" will be referred to as brother....

15210857? ago

It would even make sense that Satan fathered Cain and started that bloodline. Cain was wicked and killed Abel. Cain's lineage was wicked and got wiped out in the flood. But! His bloodline made it through the flood. That means his bloodline is still around today. You know how much bloodlines matter to certain families. Tubal Cain was the 8th generation of Cain's lineage. Tubal-cain or Tubalcain is a person mentioned in the Bible, in Genesis 4:22 as well as in the Hebrew Book of Jasher. He was a descendant of Cain, and the son of Lamech(1st polygamist) and Zillah. He was the brother of Naamah and half-brother of Jabal and Jubal. Naamah was on Noahs boat. Damn bloodlines. Tubal-cain was the son of Lamech, a descendant of "Adam's"(or was it the serpents son?)son Cain, and noted as an "artificer in brass and iron." Masonic tradition makes him the founder of smith-craft," and Josephus tells us that "he exceeded all men in strength," and was renowned for his war-like achievements. Son of Lamech; an artificer... Genesis 4: 19-22 The Brotherhood of the Freemasons worship at the altar of Satan. At the top of that Brotherhood you learn their doctrine is Luciferian. Bloodlines. 13 Families. 1. Astor 2. Bundy 3. Collins 4. DuPont 5. Freeman 6. Kennedy 7. Li (Chinese) 8. Onassis 9. Rockefeller 10. Rothschild 11. Russell 12. van Duyn 13. Merovingian (European Royal Families) You can toss in these four families too but there blood isn't as sacred as the previous 13. 1. Reynolds 2. Disney 3. Krupp 4. McDonald... If this movement is going to get Biblical it is going to get bat shit crazy. So why the fuck not? God is an alien and so is Satan. They're a reptilian alien species that have been rivals since God made Adam and Eve. Satan wanted to be like God so he made Cain in Eve's belly. Starting the Satanic Bloodline. The one that is revered by the Brotherhood of the Freemasons. The one that has been used to rule our country since forever. Q is an alien with explicit knowledge of all this. Prove me wrong. You can't. Because 1. Q has not revealed himself yet and I could be right. 2. The Bible is open to interpretation and requires you to have faith in something that is unproven. Why is Jesus real and Allah not? Why isnt Hinduism true? Or Buddhism? If Q is a movement in politics it should remain in politics and not become religious. Until that happens my theory stated above could be 100% true. Aliens made us. Q is an alien.

15212313? ago

"His lineage got wiped out. But it got preserved because Naamah was on the boat". Well, either it got wiped out or it didn't. There is no biblical record of anyone but Noah and his wife and Noah's three sons and their wives being on the boat. So, the evil bloodline you're trying to track begins from this set of 8 people. It's possible one of the wives was of the lineage of Cain. But, bloodlines trace through the male. Look at Ham for the origin of the 13 bloodlines. They can claim they're descended from Cain all they want. But, they're liars. Noticed?

God is Light. God is Spirit.

15212333? ago

Naamah was the sister of Tubal-Cain and on the Ark and fathered Canaan. She carried the Nephilim blood. God almost wiped them all out.

15209849? ago

Shall we talk about Genesis 6 : 1-4?

15209690? ago

So you're telling me there is no way that eve could of gotten pregnant by the serpent and then Adam? It is possible for twins to have different fathers in a phenomenon called heteropaternal superfecundation, which occurs when two of a woman's eggs are fertilized by sperm from two different men. ... Identical twins occur if that fertilized egg divides into two separate eggs, early in the pregnancy.

15211982? ago

"And Adam knew Eve his wife, and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said I have gotten a man from the Lord". To "know your wife" in biblical terms is to fuck her. In this statement above, it is reiterated that Eve was indeed impregnated, or conceived, by Adam. "I have gotten a man". Eve didn't birth some reptilian hybrid. She birthed a man. Pretty simple to understand.

"And she again bare his BROTHER, Abel.." "Again" means another act of baring. Not one and the same baring of twins as you postulate without reason. No biblical support for your fanciful musings.. .

15212132? ago

And that verse doesnt prove Cain was not already conceived when Adam laid with Eve and Abel was conceived.

15212148? ago

How about the children of the fallen angels aka the aliens?

15212063? ago

Wickedness in the World 6 When human beings began to increase in number on the earth and daughters were born to them, 2 the sons of God saw that the daughters of humans were beautiful, and they married any of them they chose. 3 Then the Lord said, “My Spirit will not contend with[a] humans forever, for they are mortal[b]; their days will be a hundred and twenty years.”

4 The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

5 The Lord saw how great the wickedness of the human race had become on the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of the human heart was only evil all the time. 6 The Lord regretted that he had made human beings on the earth, and his heart was deeply troubled. 7 So the Lord said, “I will wipe from the face of the earth the human race I have created—and with them the animals, the birds and the creatures that move along the ground—for I regret that I have made them.” 8 But Noah found favor in the eyes of the Lord.

15212019? ago

Which version of the Bible is that?

15213752? ago

King James Version. NIV, which you apparently use, is garbage.....

15213816? ago

1 John 3: 12 not as Cain, who was of the evil one and slew his brother And for what reason did he slay him? Because his deeds were evil, and his brother's were righteous.

15213794? ago

Upon delivering Cain, Eve declared that she had gotten a man with (Hebrew - 'eth) the Lord (Hebrew - Yehovah). If you research the name reference that is the Hebrew word Yehovah in all the surrounding context you find an interesting feature. Prior to Eve's declaration in Genesis 4:1 the word Yehovah is always followed by the word 'elohiym, forming "Lord God" - without exception. Eve's declaration marks a change. Why? Did she profane the name with reference to a lesser god? Well, that's something to think about.

15214194? ago

'ish 'eth Jehovah"

ish = male

Literally reads: a man even Jehovah

Expanded sense: "with the help of Jehovah"

Lord God: Jehovah Elohim.

Elohim: Creator

Jehovah: God in covenant relationship.

Eve's first recorded words are in Genesis 3:2-3, where Eve says "...Elohim hath said....

Your surrounding context argument is rather sloppy work.

Eve's next words refer to Jehovah. There is only one Jehovah (God in covenant relation with man). And it ain't Satan

Sorry, you're twisting scripture to fit a narrative that simply isn't there.

15214310? ago

Genesis 3:2-3 King James Version (KJV) 2 And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the fruit of the trees of the garden:

3 But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.

15214753? ago

Notice how Eve was all fucked up here in her thinking. God said ye may FREELY eat. Eve OMITTED the word freely. God never said they couldn't touch it ( matter of fact he told them to dress and keep the garden: gotta touch to do that). So, Eve wrongly ADDED something that God never told them. God said ye shall SURELY die. Eve said LEST ye die. So, Eve CHANGED what God told her.

OMITTED, ADDED TO, and CHANGED the Word of God given to her. (Sounds like what CNN Fake News does... Imagine that.)

So, Eve got fucked up in her thinking and beguiled by the devil, committed a forbidden act. Indications are it was sexual in nature. Some conjecture a lesbian encounter, a crossing over, with the serpent appearing as a woman. Adam was present and consenting.... Unlikely, he would let the devil fuck his wife. Would you?

15214852? ago

Or was it along the lines of Sodom and Gomorrah? Did Adam squirt his seed on the ground during his time of coming to know the Tree of Good and Evil? Lest not forget this verse.... Genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity Between you and the woman, And between your seed and her seed; He shall bruise you on the head, And you shall bruise him on the heel."

15214313? ago

In other words, dont fuck the Devil.

15208563? ago

I just know that Q+ is doing what we all wanted...... those blood suckers are paying!

HUGZ FROM CHILE- EXPAT- VET 11 BRAVO GOD BLESS AMERICA!

15208626? ago

Thank you for your positive vibes my dude.

15207493? ago

Just as plausible as any other claim.

15207537? ago

See. There is a chance Q is an alien!

15207230? ago

You are batshit crazy comes to mind....

15207290? ago

Lol. Why can't Q be an alien?

15207362? ago

Why can't Santa Claus be real?

15207426? ago

Because its too cold for anyone to live at the north pole. But seriously, if aliens exist, and Q confirms that, then why can't Q be an alien?

15208194? ago

"Are we alone". No. Apparently, you take that to "prove" the existence of "aliens".

15208378? ago

You know, like the alien in the garden of Eden who fathered Cain...

15208365? ago

Would you like to talk about the Reptilian influence over the Vatican? Serpents are reptilian, No?

15209501? ago

Ever seen or touched a reptilian first hand? Personal experience with such? They're all over the place, after all, no? Or did you see it on YouTube?

15210410? ago

Until Q proves otherwise he can certainly be an alien.

15210394? ago

I have touched reptiles. I dont think I've ever touched the alien kind though. All this religious talk that has crept into Q is kinda weird. There are many interpretations of The Bible. Why can't God be an alien and Satan also be an alien? Why the fuck not? Because the Bible doesn't call them aliens?

15208317? ago

That is totally Q telling us aliens exist. He can't say it outright because it's the highest classification. You think humans didn't reverse engineer alien technology and the craft that crashed in Roswell in 1947? We've come a long way in a short time.

15207143? ago

The only thing that matters is light vs darkness. Jesus being an alien would be kind of cool. He knew bad shit was going down and so he came here to try to help us...help the sheep avoid the slaughter.

15207081? ago

He had a post once that said fellow incarnated souls or something...idea being souls are trapped here...some beings chose to be here to be a part of the awakening...etc.

15206984? ago

It's not psychic... it's because of how WE perceive time.

We see time as it passes like we are traveling along the edge of a ruler... passing tickmarks as we go.

The past, present, and future are all the same... they all coexist.

It's US that's having difficulty understanding, because we can only see the present.

15207576? ago

But a ruler is a straight line and the "time illustrated as a straight line model" is false. Even through space you travel at a curved trajectory. Time has to be a curved line.

15207771? ago

It's just a metaphor to explain our perception.

15207992? ago

Poorly expressed metaphor. The shortest distance between two points in the universe is a curved line.

15208156? ago

Thanks for sharing your thoughts.

15206969? ago

Q is totally a flat-earther

15207071? ago

That couldn't be more wrong.

15206950? ago

You dumb.

15206948? ago

Q as a disciple of Jesus. Nice try shill. All of you won't be laughing anymore when you are left behind.

15207155? ago

Descended from the "heavens"

15207137? ago

Like a reincarnated disciple? Why can't God be an alien?

15207160? ago

Yes. God is not a alien, it says nothing about that in the Bible. Why would you even think that?

15207250? ago

It doesn't say hes not an alien either.

15207271? ago

Seriously, stop saying he's an alien.

15207303? ago

You never know until you know.

15206905? ago

Finally!

Simple, clear, evidence-based facts and common sense.