PLANEFAGS is there a reason 2 craft would fly almost on top of each other from start to finish of their course? Above 40kft (QRV)

submitted ago by 2858441?

I have been tracking 2 craft flying from Cleveland and although one plane has NO call sign...the other has a little info...flying from Cleveland to Oakland. They are above the 40k limit for commercial jets. Is it normal for them to fly so close....only 25ft between them at times. I am new to watching them with radar but have observed for years in the sky as I live under a direct flight path.

15097900? ago

Military aircraft fly in close formations sometimes for tactical reasons like presenting a small radar reflection so as to hide the number of aircraft or to overcome communications jamming by getting antennas close together.

15098199? ago

Thank you ...I'm learning :) Appreciate all info.

15089195? ago

The 2 planes have dropped to around 28k...I bet POTUS is getting a good look at the fire damage...that is his purpose in going to CA. Almost there.

15088758? ago

aerial refueling, or incorrect data reporting

15088689? ago

Trump is headed to California today to view the damage from fires

15088240? ago

Software error.

15088180? ago

I saw that yesterday too. Both aircraft said same altitude but right on top of the other one.

15088179? ago

Mating ritual. The plane at the higher elevation will mount the bottom plane and they will couple in mid-air. If the male plane's seed fertilizes an egg, there will be little baby Piper Cubs after an eight month gestation period.

That's how new planes are made.

Read a fucking book, you stupid son of a bitch!

15090607? ago

Oooh yeah, Spread those cargo doors baby

15090749? ago 

FAA Identifier:     PWM
Lat/Long:   43-38-44.3166N / 070-18-31.0189W
43-38.738610N / 070-18.516982W
43.6456435 / -70.3086164
(estimated)
Elevation:  75.7 ft. / 23.1 m (surveyed)
Variation:  15W (2020)
From city:  2 miles W of PORTLAND, ME
Time zone:  UTC -5 (UTC -4 during Daylight Saving Time)
Zip code:   04102

15089504? ago

I've watched planes refuel in the air. It's amusing and amazing. I actually have a picture of it somewhere.

15089639? ago

Yeah, that's just aeronautical foreplay. Planes have no shame and will do everything in public.

15089676? ago

QUIT SLUT SHAMING PLANES!

15089809? ago

Sure... Next thing you know, we'll have Cessna on Cessna marriage! God hates homo-planes!

15089846? ago

If God hated homo-planes he would not have created them to be as such!

15090148? ago

Heathen! Next thing I know, you'll be saying it's okay for an ultralight to identify as an A-10 Warhog!

That's an abomination!

15090163? ago

They can choose what they identify as you bigot!

15090202? ago

Damned right, my ailerons are hard-right rudder!

(This might be the most amusing line of conversation I'm gonna have all day!)

15090315? ago

Sounds misogynistic!!!!

(Figure that'd be an argument liberals would have when they no longer have any idea what is being talked about anymore).

15090431? ago

Of course it's misogyny. Planes with sticks are just better. That's fact!

15089253? ago

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15088192? ago

I bet @clamhurt_legbeard will find that amusing.

15088228? ago

hahaha awesome

15088258? ago

LOL I like to think I bring the funny.

15088393? ago

That's the runt of the litter, probably! Poor little fella.

15088165? ago

They were both flabbergasted at seeing the 2nd sun and incoming planets.

15088026? ago

Not a plane fag, but could one be flying in the slip-stream of the other to conserve fuel? That's why geese fly in a "V" formation.

15088133? ago

Maybe...but they have been together from the start...I am leaning towards this is POTUS and protection. One is frequently underneath the the other and not behind. I watch Nascar and understand what you are saying...makes sense :)

15096906? ago

Not fast enough.. gotta eat more vagasil to make myself dumber..

15092885? ago

Your Nascar reference reminded me of a funny story from my youth. I was in a crew driving from Toronto to the north shore of Lake Superior in a big old Suburban and a little Toyota driven by a race car driver. The Toyota tailgated us the entire journey. The driver of the Suburban got pissed off and demanded to know what the Toyota thought he was doing. He told us that he was conserving fuel.

15096088? ago

Lol.. It's so true though...people stay close to semis for the same reason..esp over a long trip.

15087896? ago

A link to a theory that Cali is being lasered - actual video of homes burning from the inside...

If true, we would need to get the white hats to Cali to stop it

15087700? ago

Putin hid the fighter jets underneath passenger planes going into syria a few years back, took all the western nations by surprise at the time because they never caught on until all the jets were in place, This is in no way related of course but it is a tatic thats used to hide the movement of fighter jets.

15087801? ago

That's interesting... I am sure there is a reason for this incident too... def. not a fluke. They will arrive at their destination soon and hopefully without incident. I am new to watching planes via radar so it's all an education. Thanks :)

15087384? ago

40k is NOT the limit for commercial jets, it’s just that most are usually too heavy to climb that high. I’ve seen SowWest and other at 42-43k. It’s a 2 ship prolly military one turns off the transponder so that the controllers don’t get traffic caution alerts constantly.

15087426? ago

Good info...thanks :) I had read ...from Q I believe that above 40k was classified air space... Yes I hope they are military...makes sense.

15089041? ago

Military has carte blanche above 60k & doesn't have to communicate with ATC above that. Have a buddy that's been ATC for a long time, they can see them on radar above 60k, but often don't know what it is, or who. Often very strange things going on up there. Many commercial and corp jets can get to 50-51k. Concorde used to go to 60k.

15089218? ago

So are commercial and private free to use any airspace below 60k?

15089727? ago

They are within the direction of ATC & also have to respect certain no-fly zones.

15087337? ago

Possible sneak or practice sneak. Day ain't easy

15087300? ago

To hide under the transponder of the other aircraft? Make it appear that the 2nd blib is a radar echo.

15087340? ago

I have 3 sources up and only 1 shows them both....I think you are correct...the plane with no call sign is hidden on the other 2 sources. I hope it's white hats. They are almost to Loveland CO.

15087751? ago

I have adsbexchange.com up right now. POTUS in route to California. Lots of interesting planes aloft today. AWACS in UTAH. E6B mobile command planes. Interesting.

15087903? ago

The 2 I am watching just crossed into Utah...must be the same. I will watch his twitter and see what's shakin'.

15087373? ago

If it's in the air, it's a friendly. We own the skies... and Space.