If you haven't heard of it /v/disagreebutton is not a brigading sub that downvotes comments, but upvotes those that got downvoted for dissenting (not for having a poor quality). If a post doesn't adhere to what the sub it is posted in considers a quality post, then it would be ignored or if it's shitty downvoted. Quality being not a matter of how eloquent you are: you can't post an essay about quantum mechanics in /v/funny and then post it in /v/disagreebutton expecting it to be restored. We didn't have an agenda, it was apolitical and everyone could decide how to vote on a post for themselves. You took a risk by posting there: because if you did and quality was lacking, then it would be downvoted. The argument has been made that I am hypocritical because I allegedly was against brigading while having a brigading sub, despite having never said I am against brigading. I am instead deeply against stupid and uninformed conversation and the sub literally stimulated the contrary by giving support (upvotes) to it.
Once upon a time (one month ago) /v/disagreebutton was a wildy popular idea. Back then, people coming from Reddit were sick of the echochambers, hiveminds and toxicity that came with 'punishing' dissenting views and were thinking of ways to prevent this and instead promote intelligent, friendly and informative discussion. The notion of not downvoting because you disagree was deeply rooted in the culture of Voat at that time, but since the last large influx of users from Reddit, it has been accused of being a SJW-sub in order to create 'safe-spaces'. Some have connected it to AskVoat now having a minimum requirement of CCP in order to downvote, despite it being very obvious it was due to every post from innocent users who just want to post and discuss questions was being brigaded and downvoted harshly (in order to sink activity and get people to go to /v/AskGoat). I went from being respected: https://archive.is/uKpZi, to losing legitimacy because of this accusation. People didn't realize I can both disagree with her actions as a mod and with every comment of her, despite being perfectly fine, being downvoted for that. People supported me to the extent I contributed to the effort of /u/she being burned at the stake (and also because I disagreed with and changed the sidebar rules and actively engaged with the community), wherein a lot abandoned camp reason and didn't care for each action being evaluated and analyzed on its own. They instead desperately tried to connect things and imagine ghosts behind things to fit their own narrative: they became delusional SJW's (People with paper thin skin who always find something to be offended about, especially if that thing only exists and is created by their own delusion) in the attempt to fight SJW's.
It's also annoying to see the denial of the current users that the abuse of the downvote button to silence dissent isn't or couldn't be a problem, that it is a SJW sub and like /v/disagreebutton can't solve that problem. If the majority likes to be naïve in thinking Voaters wont abuse the downvote button and that we are better than Redditors, then I said I would delete it.
I have not put disagreebutton on lockdown because those opposing it are right, but because I am what in ethics is called a consequentialist, meaning that I judge how good something is through the effects that it has. The effects are clearly detrimental to the point harming the /v/AskVoat community, which I am tasked to stimulate. Also, while about 10-15 people were active there prior to weeks ago in agreement with the sub some of these users have left Voat because they felt unable to turn it into to place for intelligent and informative discussion because of many more people limited to thinking in moral absolutes becoming active on the sub to further downvote things. Until /v/protectvoat was notified of the thread on /u/she, only me and TheToucan were active on it.
Honestly I am losing more faith by the day and perhaps am already in denial about how drained Voat is in stupidity because of SJW anti-SJW's. If you guys don't stop being fucking retards and don't going into mob mentality everytime a sliver of incomplete information that fits your narrative is given to you, then i'll eventually quit with Voat alltogether.
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heili ago
You turned it political when you tried to use it as an army in the shebacle.
Then what are you against? If you don't oppose brigading, what's your specific issue with down vote brigading and why doesn't supporting up vote brigading make you a hypocrite?
The down vote button gives ordinary users the ability to determine that a particular comment, submission or even user is not a positive contribution to the site and express it.
You want to convince me that what you're doing is right instead of just right-intentioned? You can start by not automatically and preemptively labeling people who disagree with you as idiots and 'fucking retards', and by acknowledging that forming a mob to go and upvote one individual is still forming a mob.
Stoic ago
So a doctor treating someone becomes political when he treats a patient that is a politician? Now, he just treats the injuries. the sub upvotes all comments if they have quality and got downvoted for dissenting.
I am against stupidity
you are delusional if you think people don't use the downvote button to silence dissent and stifle debate.
Assuming a utilitarian position and assuming that the promotion of open and intelligent discussion are good things, then supporting those things through upvotes is good. I get that you and many other people are limited to thinking in moral absolutes and know jack-shit about philosophy or ethics, which is why are you morons. I never said I am against brigading and it isn't a mob.
heili ago
You can't talk to me without calling me both delusional and a moron.
Why should I expend any effort in having a conversation with you?
Stoic ago
I am on the verge of leaving the site to whatever site isn't populated so heavily by stupid people. So I dont really care anymore. You don't have to argue with me if you got your feelings hurt from me calling you a moron, that's up to you.
Crensch ago
I would recommend not drinking the Kool-aid early on that site like you did this one. If you do, the stupid people seem reasonable and the reasonable people seem stupid.
You've been fighting a losing battle since the beginning because your position was untenable. You defend the unworthy, and claim to hate one side of a coin while not having a good reason for proselytizing for the other side of the coin.
Yeah, if I were fighting a losing battle, and didn't have the cods to admit I was completely wrong, I'd feel the same way.
When people are right, they have the right to such exhasperated rhetoric. When they're wrong, they're just showing how unqualified they are to weigh in on the subject.
You're the latter.
Stoic ago
So if I disagree with multiple things She does, I have to be against everything she does? Where did I support her wrong actions?
This sub wanted me to become head mod: https://archive.is/uKpZi.
Care to create an argument I can attack other than saying I am wrong?
Crensch ago
You still supported her being a mod after witnessing her abusing her mod powers. How, exactly, is this not obvious to you?
So? Is that supposed to lend some kind of credibility or authority to your words? Is that supposed to excuse your complete lack of qualifications to even post on this matter?
I'm actually appalled by the fact that you moderate anything when your ability to support your position is so insanely infantile.
If you'd stop being wrong for one fucking minute, I wouldn't have to keep explaining to you how and why.
Stoic ago
No I didn't. Again, care to make an argument sometime?
Crensch ago
Where you attempted to keep a subverse under the abusive mod's control from staging its own protest of her.
Where you linked to a complete revisionist-history post by a she supporter.
Where you whine about someone that uses downvotes differently than you do, which, of course, probably means that they downvoated she.
Edit:
You are a terrible fucking human being.
Stoic ago
I did it to prevent the community from being brigaded... How are we debating this? You can easily check dozens of posts before the announcement and find a strong anomaly in the amount of downvotes each post got compared to prior weeks. Creating the limit wasn't founded in an assumption, but in obvious evidence. You can go and literally check it right now... We will likely even be removing the cap soon at which point it will either get brigaded again which would legitimize putting the cap back up, or it wont happen again and we'll don't put the limit back in place.
So if I disagree with multiple things She does, I have to be against everything she does? Where did I support her wrong actions? I literally attacked her on a lot of her actions. The only point I defended her on was her every comment getting -20 votes despite being perfectly fine. This sub wanted me to become head mod: https://archive.is/uKpZi. Do you even know what has happened? Or are you so swept up in the deluded mob mentality that you don't even know what is going on?
No I didn't imply that.
I got 6-1 upvotes on that comment and gator 5-4, despite the limits for downvoting being in place. Having such a high ratio means that what I said in that comment, yes.
You are too unintelligent to continue debating with. You are a lost cause and I am terminating this discussion. Enjoy dying in mediocrity never knowing how stupid you were.
Edit: Mediocrisy --> mediocrity, but english isn't my first language, so it doesn't count ;).
lasercow ago
you should have embraced the brigading and helped us shut down the sub until she resigned.
we expected solidarity, we got betrayal, we are not going to forgive you