At this moment all I can say is that I have pushed for dialogue to get all this shit show resolved and I am at least glad to see a glimpse of hope with this action.
Maybe making GA a system sub would solve it all? I think it would. I was against it at first but now it totally makes sense! Besides, QRV is the ONLY official Q sub here.
I have been thinking about that proposal and I am not so sure it would.
Making v/GreatAwakening a system sub may solve the inaction of it's user base to act and apply downvotes where it's due. Meaning that it's user base would be forced to be more proactive and to inform itself on how to deal with shills and trolls effectively. But the sub would still need to have a janitor/moderator that would need to curate the content. And given the size of that sub it would need several to do what the moderator team is supposed to do.
From all this experience this is my opinion on the following that might solve the voids and insatisfactions created by the current state of affairs:
u/Crensch should not be the owner of the sub. He should step down and give that title to u/srayz
u/srayz was a good moderator/owner and content curator. Despite her lack of judgement on her support for the group that was attacking her detractors that doesn't change the fact she was a good one. Even if many don't like her for her constant denunciations and emotional responses, her work cannot be undone. The v/GreatAwakening user base is grateful with her and quite appreciative.
Some of the current set of rules should be modified to make clear, objective and effective rules. This includes creating an specific one for doxxing that goes along with the site's one but that it is more specific. i.e. If the owner of the information gives/removes permission of sharing it or if the owner of the information made the link him/herself, then those should be considered acceptable exceptions.
Guilty by association rules should be removed.
Unjustifiable bans should be reversed as @Puttitout has made precedent that it is possible. Mine for example was unjustified and several others should be removed.
Comments should only be deleted if they are illegal or go against the site's global rules (which includes doxxing of Voat's user base)
Despite of the fact that I find it to be a questionable character, u/Molochhunter has proved to be somewhat fair in his moderation. My questions regard on his defense for an unjust ban on u/trigglyppuff. But his activity as a moderator is consistent so he should also stay in the moderator team in v/GreatAwakening.
u/shizie should also stay despite of the fact that she fell under the same bus that the previous users did. Her commitment with v/GreatAwakening is not in question to my eyes. Though she called me a cuck with her alt u/hollacost, I hold no grudge against her. She sould also stay in the moderator team.
- It is clear that one of the tasks of being a moderator, specially in the case of the v/GreatAwakening sub, is to continuously inform and educate their user base so the subscribers of their sub become more proactive and do not rely only on the moderators to act (downvote disingenuous users' posts and comments, upvote genuine users' posts and comments, block users that are annoying to their eyes, report suspicious behaviors - not through posts on their sub but archiving and then making an informative post on v/ProtectVoat about said users that they can link in their comments to others to inform them). After all I recognize the risk that carries being a moderator of such a polemic subverse. And the safety of the moderators can only be better insured if their user base helps them protect them.
In the end if our admin decides to make the sub a system sub, then they should remain janitors of the sub. But that decision also resides on the v/GreatAwakening user base. The admin team should consider their say on the matter.
But that is my opinion and I am sure many will disagree.
srayzie got doxxed. sub handover is impossible, because zyklon and his gay troll gang threatened her and her kids. you can't just drive off the owner and founder of a sub, then ask for their shit afterwards like war plunder
crensh showed principle to act when others fucking folded.
No he didn't. He applied power moderation tactics. Unjustly banned several people. Supported doxxing attempts on other users basically selling out his principles for convenience to win his "war".
anyone picking up the pieces here as damage control has zero fucking right to moral grandstand
You were one of the supporters on the doxx done by the group supporting u/Crensch. You have been called out before for your lack of objectivity. You have also applied unjust bans on your subs including preventive bans for unjustified reasons on which I showed your wrong doing.
You want to defend u/Crensch? You are in your right to do so but he certainly hasn't shown principle at all. Using the doctrine of "the end justifies the means" is not proof of principles and morals. It is the proof of a desperation move because of lack of objectivity and fairness.
He corrupted his ways and any that supported his doxx team fell under the same convenience.
You were one of the supporters on the doxx done by the group supporting u/Crensch. You have been called out before for your lack of objectivity. You have also applied unjust bans on your subs including preventive bans for unjustified reasons on which I showed your wrong doing.
what the fuck even are you talking about. you're accusing me of helping a doxx i dont even know exists
what the fuck even are you talking about. you're accusing me of helping a doxx i dont even know exists
I didn't see you defending GothamGirl when the users posted on here that got banned for doxxing, did it to her. You seemed very comfortable to justify their actions with "they did it first".
The fact that you justified their actions showed your support to them and these users were supporters of u/Crensch and supported by u/Crensch.
I didn't say you were helping on a doxx I said you supported these users when they acted against the people you disliked.
So again, I do not trust u/Crensch after he sold out his beliefs for convenience in order to wage his "war". And I am quite disappointed on the path he chose, whether he cares for that or not is besides the point. He hurt Voat's integrity and he is so prideful that he can't see it.
I didn't see you defending GothamGirl when the users posted on here that got banned for doxxing, did it to her. You seemed very comfortable to justify their actions with "they did it first".
srayzie getting harrased was the first id ever seenof this fucking drama.
i dont care what happened in the past, i care about what happens in front of me
you're currently accusing me of having the audacity to not own a time machine.
Responding here since you banned me from your sub. Doesn't everyone have facial recognition capabilities today? I used it to, last year when she posted her own picture to Voat, I tracked alot myself however I choose to stay quiet cause I just wanted to continue Pizzagate research.
You are so biased you shouldn't even have a say at all, where were you when they shared my civil court records against my ex before Web of slime posted hers?
Why are you protecting a convicted criminal?
I tried to tell you the story you didn't listen. I thought I would get a fair shot because you are a mod of a different sub.
I am not going to involve any of the mods of the subs I frequently use because she is one. Her crew will just keep doxing me exactly how they did.
I am not going to ask the owner of the site either, because I don't want to be labeled a crybaby, like you'll.
Who are you? What kind of authority do you have on this site? Why is your opinions and comments about all of this, important in the first place?
Show me exactly where I threatened a child right now. I am sick of the lies!
That is exactly what they have said to me, and she was calling my house and kids school last year. After recently finding her YouTube channel. I recognized her voice. Shizy also wrote that pedos should rape and murder my child and the proceeded to tag them.
You want me to prove my side and report it which the history is much longer, yet you won't prove 1 statement you continue to make about me?
Just stop for the sake of the people on Voat, the ex convict Srayzie is done, and has probably set up her fortune telling snake oil shop, elsewhere already.
Maybe if ask, she will get you a job for all those tears, and whining you have done on her behalf.
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WickerMan ago
Beatlejuice is gone. Srayzie admittedly, still has accounts here. You think Putt would know this.
sguevar ago
At this moment all I can say is that I have pushed for dialogue to get all this shit show resolved and I am at least glad to see a glimpse of hope with this action.
CheeseboogerHimself ago
Maybe making GA a system sub would solve it all? I think it would. I was against it at first but now it totally makes sense! Besides, QRV is the ONLY official Q sub here.
sguevar ago
I have been thinking about that proposal and I am not so sure it would.
Making v/GreatAwakening a system sub may solve the inaction of it's user base to act and apply downvotes where it's due. Meaning that it's user base would be forced to be more proactive and to inform itself on how to deal with shills and trolls effectively. But the sub would still need to have a janitor/moderator that would need to curate the content. And given the size of that sub it would need several to do what the moderator team is supposed to do.
From all this experience this is my opinion on the following that might solve the voids and insatisfactions created by the current state of affairs:
- It is clear that one of the tasks of being a moderator, specially in the case of the v/GreatAwakening sub, is to continuously inform and educate their user base so the subscribers of their sub become more proactive and do not rely only on the moderators to act (downvote disingenuous users' posts and comments, upvote genuine users' posts and comments, block users that are annoying to their eyes, report suspicious behaviors - not through posts on their sub but archiving and then making an informative post on v/ProtectVoat about said users that they can link in their comments to others to inform them). After all I recognize the risk that carries being a moderator of such a polemic subverse. And the safety of the moderators can only be better insured if their user base helps them protect them.
In the end if our admin decides to make the sub a system sub, then they should remain janitors of the sub. But that decision also resides on the v/GreatAwakening user base. The admin team should consider their say on the matter.
But that is my opinion and I am sure many will disagree.
theoldones ago
srayzie got doxxed. sub handover is impossible, because zyklon and his gay troll gang threatened her and her kids. you can't just drive off the owner and founder of a sub, then ask for their shit afterwards like war plunder
sguevar ago
After all that has happened, I don't.
theoldones ago
crensh showed principle to act when others fucking folded.
anyone picking up the pieces here as damage control has zero fucking right to moral grandstand
sguevar ago
No he didn't. He applied power moderation tactics. Unjustly banned several people. Supported doxxing attempts on other users basically selling out his principles for convenience to win his "war".
You were one of the supporters on the doxx done by the group supporting u/Crensch. You have been called out before for your lack of objectivity. You have also applied unjust bans on your subs including preventive bans for unjustified reasons on which I showed your wrong doing.
You want to defend u/Crensch? You are in your right to do so but he certainly hasn't shown principle at all. Using the doctrine of "the end justifies the means" is not proof of principles and morals. It is the proof of a desperation move because of lack of objectivity and fairness.
He corrupted his ways and any that supported his doxx team fell under the same convenience.
theoldones ago
what the fuck even are you talking about. you're accusing me of helping a doxx i dont even know exists
sguevar ago
I didn't see you defending GothamGirl when the users posted on here that got banned for doxxing, did it to her. You seemed very comfortable to justify their actions with "they did it first".
The fact that you justified their actions showed your support to them and these users were supporters of u/Crensch and supported by u/Crensch.
I didn't say you were helping on a doxx I said you supported these users when they acted against the people you disliked.
So again, I do not trust u/Crensch after he sold out his beliefs for convenience in order to wage his "war". And I am quite disappointed on the path he chose, whether he cares for that or not is besides the point. He hurt Voat's integrity and he is so prideful that he can't see it.
theoldones ago
srayzie getting harrased was the first id ever seenof this fucking drama.
i dont care what happened in the past, i care about what happens in front of me
you're currently accusing me of having the audacity to not own a time machine.
Gothamgirl ago
The past is why the present happened, so you basically saying you only care to hear what you want you want to hear, and not reality.
theoldones ago
then get a fucking time machine and lodge complaints with proper people in the past then.
the past is not my problem, and i dont care about that shit.
Gothamgirl ago
Responding here since you banned me from your sub. Doesn't everyone have facial recognition capabilities today? I used it to, last year when she posted her own picture to Voat, I tracked alot myself however I choose to stay quiet cause I just wanted to continue Pizzagate research.
You are so biased you shouldn't even have a say at all, where were you when they shared my civil court records against my ex before Web of slime posted hers?
Why are you protecting a convicted criminal? I tried to tell you the story you didn't listen. I thought I would get a fair shot because you are a mod of a different sub.
I am not going to involve any of the mods of the subs I frequently use because she is one. Her crew will just keep doxing me exactly how they did.
I am not going to ask the owner of the site either, because I don't want to be labeled a crybaby, like you'll.
Who are you? What kind of authority do you have on this site? Why is your opinions and comments about all of this, important in the first place?
What's in this for you? You are extremely biased.
theoldones ago
you doxxed and threatened a child and called pedophiles onto them and said you'd kill them. i have nothing to say to you, you fucking harpy.
Gothamgirl ago
Show me exactly where I threatened a child right now. I am sick of the lies!
That is exactly what they have said to me, and she was calling my house and kids school last year. After recently finding her YouTube channel. I recognized her voice. Shizy also wrote that pedos should rape and murder my child and the proceeded to tag them.
theoldones ago
"srayzies child deff"
-zykon_b (before getting banned for doxxing)
fucking locate one of these statements. you married him apparently, you share his punishment because you shared his activities.
Gothamgirl ago
I didnt write that ever. I said post something that shows "I" threatened those kids! You made the statement now back it up!!
I am not Zyklon, nor did I ask him to do what he did.
You can't blame me for what others say and do, and we are separated already, we are not even in the same state.
theoldones ago
YOU AIDED AND ABETTED ZYKLON_B THE DOXXER AND PARROTED MOST IF NOT ALL THE THINGS HE SAID.
Gothamgirl ago
What type of authority do you have on this site exactly?
theoldones ago
enough to call you out as a doxxing, harassing, child threatening used-up ho who ran off a user, and whose husband got banned for doxxing.
Gothamgirl ago
So no links and no authority? Just slander.. I am not used up so why do you pretend to know me?
You're a concern fag, go eat a great big bag of dicks!
theoldones ago
i dont need to give a link, you left so damn much evidence is literally months long
Gothamgirl ago
You want me to prove my side and report it which the history is much longer, yet you won't prove 1 statement you continue to make about me?
Just stop for the sake of the people on Voat, the ex convict Srayzie is done, and has probably set up her fortune telling snake oil shop, elsewhere already.
Maybe if ask, she will get you a job for all those tears, and whining you have done on her behalf.
theoldones ago
i want you to stop doxxing and harassing people, you worthless fucking harpy.
Gothamgirl ago
You are fucking stupid 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
She is also like 100lbs bigger then me easy ...........
I have had an excellent life and still get carded for my age today.
I don't dox and harrass people I fight back. Eye for an eye, fighting fire with fire.
Get a spine, or get back to Reddit.
theoldones ago
you doxxed.
you harrased.
please explain the fate of your husbands account because you 2 both engaged in the same crimes.
Gothamgirl ago
He is still here.
And still not one link huh?
Crimes? No everything I do in life is legit.
theoldones ago
from the global banlist
https://voat.co/log/banned/user?page=1
nope. he's gone.
Gothamgirl ago
You really suck a research then.
theoldones ago
does he though?
there's several other names after him in the banlog for doxxing. you sure about that claim there?
Gothamgirl ago
Absolutely
theoldones ago
you wear it like a mark of pride when you deserve to be shut away in a hole.
Gothamgirl ago
You asked me a question and answered, everything you say about me is warped, not reality or fact.
theoldones ago
what even are you on about currently. you just said yes to one of my claims, and others are provably true
Gothamgirl ago
You asked how can he still be here, did you forget already?
Every post you are calling me names, you are weak, and can't conversate like an adult. You don't want to solve this, you just want to slander...
theoldones ago
dont waste your cocksucking mouth on words, you'll get tired for work late.
Gothamgirl ago
I am retired don't work. You are now blocked I am not listening to your filthy shit anymore..