That's not what she was claiming. She's gone now so we'll probably never get her side of the story. As for zyklon, what would be the point in me doing that? It wouldn't accomplish anything. Others with far more street cred than I have tried and what did it result in? Two mods getting run off the site for no real reason other than some people decided that Q is a 'jew op' and should be destroyed. It's funny because the very people claiming this employed every single jew trick in the book. Or are they SJW tricks? Hard to tell the difference.
Why haven't you gone after them you're a PV mod?
Why haven't you? Why hasn't anyone other than a small handful of people that recognize what this is all about? It's never been about srayzie; it's been about Q and politics. She was just a convenient attack vector. I don't even follow Q or know what the fuck is going on with it but if a bunch of people want to get together and dig into corruption I think that is a good thing.
I'm not interested in assignments. All I'm interested in is what is best for Voat. All of Voat. It's either free speech for all or free speech for some as far as I can see. Right now it's clear to me that it's free speech for some and that ain't good enough.
I do find it extremely interesting that I have had various people message me insinuating that I should look into @virge because he seems 'shady'. From what I have seen out of that guy all he really wants is some actual transparency. If we had some transparency a lot of these problems would go away. I'm pretty sure that I don't agree with the guy politically but he's absolutely right.
@Crensch doesn't need my help. He's never asked for it. He's doing what he thinks is right and I understand why he is doing it. I agree with him in that there is something very wrong with Voat. A small group of users are manipulating the rules to push their agenda and silence anyone who opposes them. They have been doing it for a long time. Anyone that dared point it out was vilified and run off the site. Either you are enabling them or you are complicit. It doesn't even really matter because the end result is the same. It's still continuing today. @Vindicator has been targeted. @theoldones has been targeted. Who is next on the chopping block? @think-?
I'm tired of this shit. It's not right. Good people have been vilified for no real reason other than they disagreed with a small number of users and refused to play ball. All the people bitching about the bans and the ban warnings are the same people who have been causing most of the problems here. Hopefully @PuttItOut can come to a decision that will preserve free speech and punish those that ultimately seek to silence it through their actions and the selective cooperation of PV. If not then this place is truly lost.
I am hereby resigning my mod position. I never wanted to mod anything in the first place. I only accepted it under the premise that it's mission was rooted in good faith and that it's purpose was to benefit ALL of Voat. I no longer believe that to be the case.
I'm not interested in assignments. All I'm interested in is what is best for Voat. All of Voat. It's either free speech for all or free speech for some as far as I can see. Right now it's clear to me that it's free speech for some and that ain't good enough.
I agree with this. It isn't enough but we need to also rely on the proactivity and awareness of our users. We need to be informers in order to provide them with the tools they need to fight against them without feeding them.
I do find it extremely interesting that I have had various people message me insinuating that I should look into @virge because he seems 'shady'. From what I have seen out of that guy all he really wants is some actual transparency. If we had some transparency a lot of these problems would go away. I'm pretty sure that I don't agree with the guy politically but he's absolutely right.
I am one of those that pinged you on archiving any interaction with him because he is one that looks for "transparency for thee but not for me". He is pushing the public vote system in which we can see what users vote for what which means that it could promote brigading of users that do not vote for their ideas and hence he continue at describing them as destroyers. He is manipulative and when you get him into a corner arguing with him, he resorts into false claims and slanders, I should know he has made them against me, and ad hominem and tantrums, also made quite a few against me like calling me a spic etc (As if that was going to trigger ne or something).
So I don't agree with you saying he's right because he is currently taking advantage of what is happening on Voat to manipulate people. How is it that a user that wants transparency, purges his content and comments constantly? Is that transparent to you?
I agree with him in that there is something very wrong with Voat.
I agree with him there too. His approach is what I do not agree with.
A small group of users are manipulating the rules to push their agenda and silence anyone who opposes them.
That are using clear tactics to do so.Tactics that most of the users here at Voat do not know about and that are not aware that can be fought back if we work together.
They have been doing it for a long time. Anyone that dared point it out was vilified and run off the site.
Only if they think it is a lost cause. I don't think it is and that is why I stand in the middle to prioritize a more effective effort in getting things right from now on and then address them accordingly.
Either you are enabling them or you are complicit.
This is the approach I don't agree with: guilty by association. I will put it differently: Either we compromise on FREEDOM OF SPEECH or we don't. I stand with the don't.
It's still continuing today. @Vindicator has been targeted. @theoldones has been targeted. Who is next on the chopping block? @think-?
Haven't you noticed that they target them individually, separately and that instead of finding a way to all work together we have reach a point in which they have managed to put us all against each other?
I'm tired of this shit. It's not right.
We all are.
Good people have been vilified for no real reason other than they disagreed with a small number of users and refused to play ball.
However most of those people have played their game and even corrupted their cause by using their same tactics. This is what I am trying to avoid from happening.
Hopefully @PuttItOut can come to a decision that will preserve free speech and punish those that ultimately seek to silence it through their actions and the selective cooperation of PV. If not then this place is truly lost.
At this point we need to help him. He can't really stand alone just because he is the admin. And we can't compromise on FREEDOM OF SPEECH just to conveniently having some faggots shut down. We need to inform people of what they can do and how to better approach them. We need to show them how to fight back without falling for their schemes. PV can't stand alone either. We need the users to help us. We need to work together.
I am hereby resigning my mod position. I never wanted to mod anything in the first place. I only accepted it under the premise that it's mission was rooted in good faith and that it's purpose was to benefit ALL of Voat. I no longer believe that to be the case.
I would please ask you to reconsider and help us find a middle ground on which we can all work together to get this done. If you resign you will be giving up and hence another victory for the same people you fight against.
also made quite a few against me like calling me a spic etc (As if that was going to trigger ne or something).
I don't recall that. The rest of what you said is just your opinion and it's still false, but you'll never change your mind because you're too entrenched in your imagination - but this certainly is questionable, I don't think I've ever called someone a spic. You may have me confused here, I don't usually resort to anything involving race unless it's purely satirical because I think most people are stupid regardless of race and thus I discriminate against stupidity equally.
To date our only real disagreement is that you're convinced I'm someone I'm not and that I'm part of some grand conspiracy, when I'm just me and my only agenda is being me.
but this certainly is questionable, I don't think I've ever called someone a spic.
Well you deleted the comment before i archive it. No poot in going there anymore.
However i don't trust someone that pushes for transparency and shows very little of it.
My imagination? You can look st it as you want. You have always try to conveniently change the argument to make yourself look like the victim. I couldn't care much for your opinion even if i wanted to.
Well you deleted the comment before i archive it. No poot in going there anymore.
And we both know the comment is still on SearchVoat.co. If you don't want to do the search, that's fine - but it's also disguise to present it as if you can't find my posts if you wanted to. That's my only real beef with you. For whatever reason, you'd prefer to ignore logic and reason and repeatedly present this false narrative to your own ends. You're not alone, so I'm used to this.
However i don't trust someone that pushes for transparency and shows very little of it.
Because voting transparency and post history have what connection, exactly?
My imagination? You can look st it as you want. You have always try to conveniently change the argument to make yourself look like the victim.
Your opinion. Like I said, I've already tried to change it and I gave up long ago because you don't actually want to change this opinion. It's either convenient for you (for whatever reason), or you're unwilling to open your eyes and look around and realize that with some exceptions most people who shared this opinion have changed their mind. Even @kevdude, if I were a betting man - but I don't want to speak for kev, so to be clear that's just my opinion.
I couldn't care much for your opinion even if i wanted to.
Pretty much the crux of the issue, honestly. I realized this when we first interacted and I actually tried to get you to have a serious conversation, but then you went all parody and religious and it was pretty clear you were playing a character (that I notice you no longer play). You've already admitted you've made up your mind about me and are unwilling to change it. Thats why I don't waste time on trying to talk to you for the most part.
It's pretty funny to me to see you go from frothing at the mouth @WhiteRonin style (no dig WR, I enjoy your comments for the entertainment value, intended or otherwise is irrelevant) to super-serious and then watch you expect everyone who observes both sides of you to come to their opinions confused when you act like it's unjustified.
Like I said. It's the Internet. We all do stupid shit, all the time, intentionally or otherwise. I treated you, and others like WR, with kid-gloves for a long time because I thought it was all fun and games and nothing serious. Over time, I actually realized many people, like you (I think) actually take this extremely seriously. In hindsight, that probably contributes to the friction between us because in my opinion it was all just a misunderstanding, but you're so convinced I'm something I don't think I am we can never find common ground.
If we can never find common ground, there is no point. So I generally abstain from talking to you. This is one of those few rare times when I probe to see if I'm still talking to the troll sguevar I've observed over a long period of time, or if you're actually serious for once. I still can't tell.
Transparency, as used in science, engineering, business, the humanities and in other social contexts, implies openness, communication, and accountability. Transparency is operating in such a way that it is easy for others to see what actions are performed. It has been defined simply as "the perceived quality of intentionally shared information from a sender".
Would you agree that deleting posts and comments not go against this definition?
I caught @virge deleting his comments when replying to me.
He/she lost control of the conversation and went splerging all over the place. It was quite quaint actually! She also deleted all her pings for her brigade army.
I told Virge that she were to stop I would leave her alone. But typical woman does what she wants and easily forgets what she agreed to.
See, I enjoy this moron posting in gun topics which barely get any votes or copy pasting attacks on users which she deletes at a later date.
So guys, wouldn’t you say it’s a psychopath who records your interactions in excel? They do this because they delete “inconvenient” exchanges with people like you. They correct the record to leave no trace of their “temporary internet stupid shit”. Yet, this person, Virge, who continuously deletes unwanted information left for the public to verify.
One thing you can count on, is that, Virge, will reply back as a condescending ass who verified facts about you via their excel notes.
No, you have good questions. If I thought I could discuss them with you my reply would be different.
Last I checked we were no longer fighting. I'm still there, you appear to have changed your mind. If not disingenuous, then not sure how I can address your expectations realistically so I've stopped trying.
Ah, girl. You have been deflecting while I’ve been asking.
You say you can’t discuss things because it’s just a way to avoid.
You can easily address my expectations by addressing them in a transparent and direct fashion. Trust me! It’s easy. Some people would even tell you to just answer the fucking question! See! Not so difficult.
Girl, you might use lots of big words but my simple little male mind understands clearly what you are doing. I’m such a simple animal.
You can easily address my expectations by addressing them in a transparent and direct fashion. Trust me! It’s easy. Some people would even tell you to just answer the fucking question! See! Not so difficult.
I've highlighted the part you've demonstrated I cannot do.
Answer the fucking question!
What question? So far you've just been blubbering random words.
I'm not going to continue to answer things I've already told you, because continuing to ask them shows you aren't looking for a dialogue.
I'm not wasting time with you further when you post four topics on me in a single day to try and summon me for your downvote brigades, but will happy have a real conversation with you in PM's if you ever change your mind.
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SandHog ago
That's not what she was claiming. She's gone now so we'll probably never get her side of the story. As for zyklon, what would be the point in me doing that? It wouldn't accomplish anything. Others with far more street cred than I have tried and what did it result in? Two mods getting run off the site for no real reason other than some people decided that Q is a 'jew op' and should be destroyed. It's funny because the very people claiming this employed every single jew trick in the book. Or are they SJW tricks? Hard to tell the difference.
Why haven't you? Why hasn't anyone other than a small handful of people that recognize what this is all about? It's never been about srayzie; it's been about Q and politics. She was just a convenient attack vector. I don't even follow Q or know what the fuck is going on with it but if a bunch of people want to get together and dig into corruption I think that is a good thing.
I'm not interested in assignments. All I'm interested in is what is best for Voat. All of Voat. It's either free speech for all or free speech for some as far as I can see. Right now it's clear to me that it's free speech for some and that ain't good enough.
I do find it extremely interesting that I have had various people message me insinuating that I should look into @virge because he seems 'shady'. From what I have seen out of that guy all he really wants is some actual transparency. If we had some transparency a lot of these problems would go away. I'm pretty sure that I don't agree with the guy politically but he's absolutely right.
@Crensch doesn't need my help. He's never asked for it. He's doing what he thinks is right and I understand why he is doing it. I agree with him in that there is something very wrong with Voat. A small group of users are manipulating the rules to push their agenda and silence anyone who opposes them. They have been doing it for a long time. Anyone that dared point it out was vilified and run off the site. Either you are enabling them or you are complicit. It doesn't even really matter because the end result is the same. It's still continuing today. @Vindicator has been targeted. @theoldones has been targeted. Who is next on the chopping block? @think-?
I'm tired of this shit. It's not right. Good people have been vilified for no real reason other than they disagreed with a small number of users and refused to play ball. All the people bitching about the bans and the ban warnings are the same people who have been causing most of the problems here. Hopefully @PuttItOut can come to a decision that will preserve free speech and punish those that ultimately seek to silence it through their actions and the selective cooperation of PV. If not then this place is truly lost.
I am hereby resigning my mod position. I never wanted to mod anything in the first place. I only accepted it under the premise that it's mission was rooted in good faith and that it's purpose was to benefit ALL of Voat. I no longer believe that to be the case.
sguevar ago
I agree with this. It isn't enough but we need to also rely on the proactivity and awareness of our users. We need to be informers in order to provide them with the tools they need to fight against them without feeding them.
I am one of those that pinged you on archiving any interaction with him because he is one that looks for "transparency for thee but not for me". He is pushing the public vote system in which we can see what users vote for what which means that it could promote brigading of users that do not vote for their ideas and hence he continue at describing them as destroyers. He is manipulative and when you get him into a corner arguing with him, he resorts into false claims and slanders, I should know he has made them against me, and ad hominem and tantrums, also made quite a few against me like calling me a spic etc (As if that was going to trigger ne or something).
So I don't agree with you saying he's right because he is currently taking advantage of what is happening on Voat to manipulate people. How is it that a user that wants transparency, purges his content and comments constantly? Is that transparent to you?
I agree with him there too. His approach is what I do not agree with.
That are using clear tactics to do so.Tactics that most of the users here at Voat do not know about and that are not aware that can be fought back if we work together.
Only if they think it is a lost cause. I don't think it is and that is why I stand in the middle to prioritize a more effective effort in getting things right from now on and then address them accordingly.
This is the approach I don't agree with: guilty by association. I will put it differently: Either we compromise on FREEDOM OF SPEECH or we don't. I stand with the don't.
Haven't you noticed that they target them individually, separately and that instead of finding a way to all work together we have reach a point in which they have managed to put us all against each other?
We all are.
However most of those people have played their game and even corrupted their cause by using their same tactics. This is what I am trying to avoid from happening.
At this point we need to help him. He can't really stand alone just because he is the admin. And we can't compromise on FREEDOM OF SPEECH just to conveniently having some faggots shut down. We need to inform people of what they can do and how to better approach them. We need to show them how to fight back without falling for their schemes. PV can't stand alone either. We need the users to help us. We need to work together.
I would please ask you to reconsider and help us find a middle ground on which we can all work together to get this done. If you resign you will be giving up and hence another victory for the same people you fight against.
virge ago
I don't recall that. The rest of what you said is just your opinion and it's still false, but you'll never change your mind because you're too entrenched in your imagination - but this certainly is questionable, I don't think I've ever called someone a spic. You may have me confused here, I don't usually resort to anything involving race unless it's purely satirical because I think most people are stupid regardless of race and thus I discriminate against stupidity equally.
To date our only real disagreement is that you're convinced I'm someone I'm not and that I'm part of some grand conspiracy, when I'm just me and my only agenda is being me.
sguevar ago
Well you deleted the comment before i archive it. No poot in going there anymore.
However i don't trust someone that pushes for transparency and shows very little of it.
My imagination? You can look st it as you want. You have always try to conveniently change the argument to make yourself look like the victim. I couldn't care much for your opinion even if i wanted to.
virge ago
And we both know the comment is still on SearchVoat.co. If you don't want to do the search, that's fine - but it's also disguise to present it as if you can't find my posts if you wanted to. That's my only real beef with you. For whatever reason, you'd prefer to ignore logic and reason and repeatedly present this false narrative to your own ends. You're not alone, so I'm used to this.
Because voting transparency and post history have what connection, exactly?
Your opinion. Like I said, I've already tried to change it and I gave up long ago because you don't actually want to change this opinion. It's either convenient for you (for whatever reason), or you're unwilling to open your eyes and look around and realize that with some exceptions most people who shared this opinion have changed their mind. Even @kevdude, if I were a betting man - but I don't want to speak for kev, so to be clear that's just my opinion.
Pretty much the crux of the issue, honestly. I realized this when we first interacted and I actually tried to get you to have a serious conversation, but then you went all parody and religious and it was pretty clear you were playing a character (that I notice you no longer play). You've already admitted you've made up your mind about me and are unwilling to change it. Thats why I don't waste time on trying to talk to you for the most part.
It's pretty funny to me to see you go from frothing at the mouth @WhiteRonin style (no dig WR, I enjoy your comments for the entertainment value, intended or otherwise is irrelevant) to super-serious and then watch you expect everyone who observes both sides of you to come to their opinions confused when you act like it's unjustified.
Like I said. It's the Internet. We all do stupid shit, all the time, intentionally or otherwise. I treated you, and others like WR, with kid-gloves for a long time because I thought it was all fun and games and nothing serious. Over time, I actually realized many people, like you (I think) actually take this extremely seriously. In hindsight, that probably contributes to the friction between us because in my opinion it was all just a misunderstanding, but you're so convinced I'm something I don't think I am we can never find common ground.
If we can never find common ground, there is no point. So I generally abstain from talking to you. This is one of those few rare times when I probe to see if I'm still talking to the troll sguevar I've observed over a long period of time, or if you're actually serious for once. I still can't tell.
WhiteRonin ago
@sguevar and @sandhog please clarify transparency. @virge is practicing newspeak.
Would you agree that deleting posts and comments not go against this definition?
I caught @virge deleting his comments when replying to me.
He/she lost control of the conversation and went splerging all over the place. It was quite quaint actually! She also deleted all her pings for her brigade army.
I told Virge that she were to stop I would leave her alone. But typical woman does what she wants and easily forgets what she agreed to.
See, I enjoy this moron posting in gun topics which barely get any votes or copy pasting attacks on users which she deletes at a later date.
So guys, wouldn’t you say it’s a psychopath who records your interactions in excel? They do this because they delete “inconvenient” exchanges with people like you. They correct the record to leave no trace of their “temporary internet stupid shit”. Yet, this person, Virge, who continuously deletes unwanted information left for the public to verify.
One thing you can count on, is that, Virge, will reply back as a condescending ass who verified facts about you via their excel notes.
What say you @sandhog?
virge ago
All good questions, all good questions. Hopefully when pursued you find the truth of the matter.
WhiteRonin ago
Deflecting much?
Enjoy your day!
virge ago
No, you have good questions. If I thought I could discuss them with you my reply would be different.
Last I checked we were no longer fighting. I'm still there, you appear to have changed your mind. If not disingenuous, then not sure how I can address your expectations realistically so I've stopped trying.
WhiteRonin ago
Ah, girl. You have been deflecting while I’ve been asking.
You say you can’t discuss things because it’s just a way to avoid.
You can easily address my expectations by addressing them in a transparent and direct fashion. Trust me! It’s easy. Some people would even tell you to just answer the fucking question! See! Not so difficult.
Girl, you might use lots of big words but my simple little male mind understands clearly what you are doing. I’m such a simple animal.
So keep it simple!
Answer the fucking question!
virge ago
I've highlighted the part you've demonstrated I cannot do.
What question? So far you've just been blubbering random words.
WhiteRonin ago
Oh oh!
Another comment that you will delete!
The questions: What is transparency? Why do you delete posts and comments and say that is still being transparent.
I simplified it for you.
Oh! That grammarly extension is cute but it doesn’t make you intelligent.
virge ago
I'm not going to continue to answer things I've already told you, because continuing to ask them shows you aren't looking for a dialogue.
I'm not wasting time with you further when you post four topics on me in a single day to try and summon me for your downvote brigades, but will happy have a real conversation with you in PM's if you ever change your mind.
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WhiteRonin ago
Oh? PMs? Where things are behind closed doors?
That’s how transparency works now does it?
Sure, PM me! I don’t care.
Dialogue: questions, answers, facts and opinions. 4 elements that make up a dialogue.
You only use 1 element: opinion
So I do agree with you that you can’t have a dialogue with people.
virge ago
I rest my case, you're just performing an act for an audience and I won't participate in that any longer. Feel free to keep doing your thing, though.
WhiteRonin ago
Evade and deflect.
I’m on to your game!