I can confirm that at one point in the past I saw @srayzie posting a link that redirected her post here at Voat to her twitter account. I can confirm that I saw those pictures in said twitter account.
The pictures were of public access and hence there was no doxx applied here. If I am going to defend u/Obrez of his unjust ban I must defend u/Trigglypuff of hers.
Sorry srayzie but I do not support the ban for Trigglypuff as she got a hold of said pictures from a source that was previously linked by yoursefl.
I do however want to make clear that the harassment and the stalking is deeply concerning and this shit has got to stop. This whole matter started because @Zyklon_b decided to stir things up on v/GA and he wanted to start a fire. He got it and because of this whole matter he got u/Trigglypuff burnt.
I do not defend their approach, heck I even called out ZB for fucking this up just because of his own druggy pride and going as far as now stalking srayzie and shizy is simply a cowardly thing to do from him and the ones that supported such attempt. I will however have to ask @Puttitout to unban u/Trigglypuff because she did not went out of her way to get pictures of srayzie that wouldn't have been accessible to her if srayzie hadn't posted links to her twitter on at least one post he did on GA.
I hate to be the devil's advocate here and right now I am fucking pissed at ZB for what he has caused. But the doxx wasn't there. The request of srayzie to remove her pictures was met by the admin but no ban should have ever taken place because they were of public domain.
Otherwise any twitter pics posted here at Voat can be considered as doxxing and you all know that is not the case.
I will stand by srayzie and shizy and defend them against the harassment that ZB has started but I will not condone the ban for an unjustified reason.
I hope you are happy with your actions ZB because you have proven to be nothing more than a coward junkie too immature to acknowledge your wrong doings and unable to apologize for what you've done. So to that I say, go fuck yourself faggot. I am extremely disappointed on you.
EDIT: I HAVE DECIDED TO ADDRESS THIS MATTER PRIVATELY IN HOPE FOR A START OF A HEALING PROCESS ON VOAT. I WANT TO MAKE CLEAR THAT ANY ATTACK ON MY CHARACTER FROM USERS LIKE @VIRGE ARE NOTHING MORE THAN DIVERSIONS AND THAT I STRONGLY BELIEVE IN WHAT VOAT REPRESENTS. HOPEFULLY WE WILL HAVE A CONCLUSION TO THIS SOON ENOUGH.
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sguevar ago
I appreciate your intake on this, and maybe we can find a common ground on this. But at this point the one that has power to put all of this to rest is @srayzie.
She has the power on whether this ends now or not. I hope she does use it wisely for I would see this ban as dangerous defeat to what Voat represents.
Regarding your question mark I make the same argument, any post done from twitter, screencap of personal accounts of other people including President Trump for that matter can be considered as doxxing under that logic.
I don't agree with it. If the pics were on public domain they do not infer a doxxing otherwise the posts that @antiliberalsociety has done on @TexasVet would also infer said behavior and their not because they users themselves linked them and are on the web. They are material that can't be use for profiteering we can agree on that but they can't be considered doxxing of any kind.
Vindicator ago
Not exactly @sguevar and @kevdude. The difference here is that srayzie asked that it be taken down. I believe under the DMCA, that mandates @PuttitOut remove it. Under that logic, since srayzie asked Triggly to remove the content and she refused, that then put Triggly in violation of the law Putt has to abide by. I could be wrong about that.
I believe there are additional circumstances at play, here, as well, if @Srayzie linked to that prior to the incident involving NeonRevolt several months ago where several different accounts were posting messages all over various social media asking for help doxing her. They also threatened to rape her in front of her kids.
I am pretty sure the DMCA considers the creator of the images to retain copyright and recognizes their legal right to request sites remove their images, text, music and any other content they created...whether they posted it or not.
Perhaps @cynabuns knows more about how DMCA requirements might apply, here.
ooberlu ago
DMCA only applies to copyrighted work. It's highly doubtful that Srayzie copyrighted her selfies.
Once she uploaded her pics onto Twitter, they fell under the category of "content submission" according to Twitter TOS. Said pics then became considered fair use within public domain. They are not protected.
Putt removing them is within his rights as site admin. But her selfies are not protected under copyright law, nor does DMCA apply here.
Vindicator ago
I absolutely guarantee she copyrighted them.
Copyright is created the moment a work is created. You don't have to register a copyright (though you can).
This would be equivalent to saying an author gives up copyright to any publishing house that prints his book, which is not the case. Rights are licensed to the publisher -- and they pay for them, establishing a contract. Twitter doesn't even have that claim.
I find it hard to believe the idea that Twitter has some magical right to any creative content users post. Otherwise, every musician, artist, photographer or author who used Twitter to promote their work and communicate with their fans would lose the rights to their copyrighted material. There would be no celebrities on Twitter, and Twitter would fold. I don't buy it.
Show me the court rulings that allow Twitter's TOS to overrule an individual's rights over content that they have created.
think- ago
I don't know about Twitter, but this is the what the Voat User .Agreement says -
"Content
You retain the rights to your copyrighted content or information that you submit to Voat ("user content") except as described below.
By submitting user content to Voat, you grant us a royalty-free, perpetual, irrevocable, non-exclusive, unrestricted, worldwide license to reproduce, prepare derivative works, distribute copies, perform, or publicly display your user content in any medium and for any purpose, including commercial purposes, and to authorize others to do so. You agree that you have the right to submit anything you post, and that your user content does not violate the copyright, trademark, trade secret or any other personal or proprietary right of any other party. We take no responsibility for, we do not expressly or implicitly endorse, and we do not assume any liability for any user content submitted by you to Voat."
. Fair Use applies to any content that is created in the context of education or journalism.
i.e. you can use copyright material like pics if you want to do a video about the Q movement, or write a newspaper or blog article about it.
Vindicator ago
So Voat's User Agreement gives Voat copyrights to a user's content, but it does not give other Voat users the right to use that content against the permission of its creator, correct?
think- ago
Yes. Certainly in the context of a sub like /shitsrayziesays imo.
Although I'm not sure whether DMCA would apply if somene posted a research post in a sub like v/pizzagate.
Like 'Ten Pizzagaters who have incfluenced the Q anon movement' or something along the line. In this context, a pic of @srayzie once posted by her to Twitter might fall under 'fair use'.
Damn, we need a @Pizzagatelawyer who would know! ;-)
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