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argosciv ago

So, I have a question...

Please reverse this subverse transfer for v/theunexplained - https://voat.co/v/subverserequest/1661287

Looking at this subverse request and searching for any others related to v/theunexplained leaves me wondering, how exactly did u/diesel4420 come to be the owner in the first place?

Note the timestamps involved.

Result of u/diesel4420's request:

This requested has been Rejected due to: Subverse v/theunexplained is not valid for transfer as moderators were active in subverse at time of request. Last moderator activity was 0 day(s) before request was submitted. Subverse Request Requirements

Related v/subverserequest posts:

Date UTC Name Subverse Title
2017-01-28 22:22 u/guinness2 v/subverserequest Requesting /v/TheUnexplained Developer privleges so I can fix their broken CSS
2017-02-20 06:46 u/diesel4420 v/subverserequest Requesting /v/theunexplained, the owner seems to be inactive and has not replied to any messages regarding the functionality of the sub
2017-02-21 02:57 u/guinness2 v/subverserequest Requesting /v/TheUnexplained Developer privleges so I can fix their broken CSS

Looking at the most recent thread in the above results, reveals that u/guinness2 received "level 2" access after their first request was rejected and after the rejection of u/diesel4420's request:

Subverse v/theunexplained has been transferred to @guinness2 (level: 2). Good luck!

^ this was ~1.8 years ago; 2/21/2017 5:25:35pm UTC

While writing this comment, I remembered that I can hover over the name of a listed mod, to see who added them to their position and when.

As it turns out, u/guinness2 made @diesel4420 owner of v/theunexplained, ~1.7 years ago(exact timestamp unknown): https://files.catbox.moe/nhferf.jpg

Hmmm...

This whole situation has exploded after comment/thread deletions because "racism". Noteworthy is that v/theunexplained's sidebar description does not mention any rules about racism, however, u/diesel4420 is adamant about making these deletions and being particularly aggressive about the whole process(granting themselves permission to break their own politeness rule).

The rules section of the subverse does list a rule with regards to racism.

So, when was this rule added? Only 4 months ago.

diesel4420 waited over a year before deciding to add this rule, why?

If the rule is so important, why is it not outlined in the subverse sidebar?

Looking at the comment deletion log...

We find that the first deletions because of racism, were 11 to 7 months ago; 3+ months before any rules were added regarding racism: https://files.catbox.moe/plhd62.jpg


cc: @Crensch, @MadWorld, @Rotteuxx

MadWorld ago

If it helps, the "Racist or hateful comments" rule was created on 8/15/2018, and edited on 8/16/2018, around 23:50 PM UTC. It was created and edited around 7:50 AM EST, Thursday morning.

https://web.archive.org/web/20180913235045/https://voat.co/v/theunexplained/about/rules

Racist or hateful comments

Racist or hateful comments have no place on this sub. This includes the use of the "N" word. If you aren't sure what I mean by the "N" word, then it's safe to say it would be best to not post a comment at all.

The owner and moderators of this sub have the right to break this rule when dealing with hateful individuals.

Applies to: All, Sort: 0, Created by: diesel4420 29 days ago , Edited by: diesel4420 28 days ago

But mod was already executing/enforcing this rule, before it was ever created:

diesel4420 removed 11 months ago on 2/6/2018 4:35:59 PM
"Racist and incompetent comment. Look up first known human you dumb fuck. No room for your stupidity here."

diesel4420 removed 10 months ago on 2/15/2018 5:55:53 AM
"Racist and ignorant comment."

diesel4420 removed 10 months ago on 2/16/2018 5:23:20 AM
"Racist comment and for being a fucking retard. Stop posting shit like this in my sub you uneducated degenerate."

diesel4420 removed 10 months ago on 2/16/2018 5:23:47 AM
"Racist comment and for being a fucking retard. Stop posting shit like this in my sub you uneducated degenerate."

diesel4420 removed 10 months ago on 2/16/2018 5:24:20 AM
"Racist comment and for being a fucking retard. Stop posting shit like this in my sub you uneducated degenerate."

diesel4420 removed 7 months ago on 5/18/2018 11:59:17 AM
"Rule Violation: Dox; Description: For being a racist asshole"

diesel4420 removed 7 months ago on 5/19/2018 5:23:11 AM
"Rule Violation: Dox; Description: For being a racist asshole"

diesel4420 removed 7 months ago on 5/30/2018 4:34:52 AM
"Rule Violation: Dox; Description: Being a Nazi fuckhead."

diesel4420 removed 5 months ago on 7/30/2018 12:04:43 PM
"Rule Violation: Illegal; Description: Rude comment. Take that shit somewhere else!"

diesel4420 removed 4 months ago on 8/14/2018 11:40:54 AM
"Rule Violation: Dox; Description: For being a racist asshole."

diesel4420 removed 4 months ago on 8/15/2018 11:12:24 AM
"Rule Violation: Dox; Description: For being a racist asshole. Aren't you late for a klan meeting?"

diesel4420 removed 4 months ago on 8/31/2018 12:41:12 AM
"Rule Violation in v/theunexplained: Racist or hateful comments; Description: Being a Fucking asshole. Read the rules fuckhead"

Sure he was already removing comments, before there was any specific rule regarding "racist" or "hateful" comments.

MadWorld ago

@kevdude, see parent, regarding when that specific rule was created.

argosciv ago

Yup yup, all pointed out in the above.

If it helps, the "Racist or hateful comments" rule was created on 8/15/2018, and edited on 8/16/2018, around 23:50 PM UTC. It was created and edited around 7:50 AM EST, Thursday morning.

I couldn't see the specific timestamps though, thanks.

MadWorld ago

I used the archive.org's timestamp and the rollover time to calculate the exact time. It should be close enough.

argosciv ago

Ah good thinking, slipped my mind to use archive.org.

MadWorld ago

I forgot to say good detective work! Thank you!

MadWorld ago

Test @argosciv

argosciv ago

Thanks.

Sorry for the delayed reply, got a bit sidetracked.

MadWorld ago

:-) You can check it out: https://web.archive.org/web/20180913235045/https://voat.co/v/theunexplained/about/rules

In addition to archive.org, it is good practice to archive stuff, not necessarily have to share the links right away.