Hi guys!
I was having a discussion with resident shill @kevdude in PMs about free speech on Voat and thought it was worth asking all of you to join. So here goes!
It's 2015: SJW time
Some of you might remember when Voat was in alpha, back in 2015. The SJWs moved in as Ellen Gong Phat Pao was doing the dirty work on Reddit and people were migrating over here. As you know, SJWs always follow to censor the free exchange of ideas. A little cunt in particular by the name of 'she' was quickly raking in mod positions. AskVoat - the most active verse at the time - was being censored left and right.
SJWs are like parasites: if you have something valuable, they'll try to suck the blood out of it
At the time, the culture here was still mirroring Reddit. At the same time, Voat was set to be the next big thing. We made PV to run the SJWs out of town by making sure they wouldn't have a quiet moment until free speech was guaranteed here. We won a lot of short-term battles then, and the likes of 'she' are nowhere to be found as verse owners.
I stopped believing in higher ideals. I think you have to fight fire with fire napalm
What ultimately made me leave PV was a strong disagreement between myself and another moderator on one side and @kevdude and @crensch on the other. I've later understood I'd run into the same problem over and over again:
I don't believe in free speech unless the playing field is level. I now believe you have to fight the SJWs (and other parasites who want to control other people's lives) by beating them with their own weapons first. Then, when everyone sees the value of free exchange of ideas, you can have that.
Voat is not a level playing field. And it's losing, big time
The current rules of the site (still) allow for shills and brigaders to push agendas into common spaces. Meanwhile, it seems what was ultimately a free speech place made itself irrelevant by allowing drama to take over where the SJWs left off. Voat is much less relevant today than it was in 2015.
If ProtectVoat is really here to protect Voat, we should set a new direction
We started this discussion before the recent blackout. It highlighted its necessity, though. If there is to be a Voat that does something other than provide a place to yell kikeniggerfaggot in (with no clout beyond our own reach whatsoever), I think it's time for major change. As of 2018, I would personally think a place like PV should support and fight for something else. Because the game is rigged anyway.
- I don't believe whatever drama group (including this one) should set the rules for niche subverses.
- I believe verse owners should have the right to moderate as they see fit, as long as there's at least five-ten non-moderated general interest verses.
- I believe Protect Voat should actively fight to have a full-time admin overseeing that the site isn't manipulated.
- I believe Nazis and SJWs are two sides of the same coin (people who want to control others' lives) and should be treated alike
- I think Voat could do so much more to advance universal ideas of freedom - at all levels from universities to global institutions - if verses were allowed to run with frameworks set by verse owners.
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FormerBaltimoreRes ago
Nazi's and SJW's two sides of the same coin, give me a fucking break.
National Socialists work to free society from Jewish degeneracy and push humanity forward. SJW want to virtue signal while being slaves to debt. "But they all want to control people", how over simplistic can someone get?
What's next, am I going to have to debunk the Nazi = Gun Control lie for the 15th time this week?
Laurentius_the_pyro ago
Don't bother arguing with an enlightened 500 IQ Rick and Morty watching centerist, they'll just call you a "right wing Essjaydubbyah" and dismiss.
FormerBaltimoreRes ago
The reason I don't mind replying to every silly misguided "centralist" is that there are far more lurkers than people who post. We can potentially enlighten a few hundred people everytime calmly dissec the centralists points.
The guy I'm replying to is European, Denmark it seems. All the replies are predictable, I'm sure we'll be hearing about the horseshoe theory soon enough, but that isn't important. This guy, @scandinavian, is not a frequent poster. Most likely he sees this "evil nazi" stuff and his conditioning kicks in, and he runs away. He probably hates muslims and thinks he's "red pilled", yet he can't connect the migrant crisis with the international clique.
He will feel the need to own us with his superior intellect. But as he replies more he will start making new connections he didn't make before. Once that happens, he's with us forever.
Scandinavian ago
And my point is: you should have a space to do that in. But there should be room for more than just nazis. That's why I made ProtectVoat back in 2015. I don't see Voat as of 2018 being an exchange of ideas at all.
FormerBaltimoreRes ago
What part of the Nazi's do you actually disagree with: Do you deny the Jewish control of our media? Do you deny that the west is being subverted by Jewish extremists? If you disagree with those statements, could you actually discredit those claims without resorting to hand waving?
Look you aren't a very active poster. If you were concerned with an exchange of ideas you aren't much contributing. If what you want is the status quo, you have unlimited options. If you want to actually discuss what's really going on we have voat, 8ch and a few other places, and that's it.
Scandinavian ago
I agree, a disproportionally large number of people who are Jews have high positions in big media outlets. My answer is: make competitors and wipe out the failing MSM outlets. That takes manpower and people. Your argument has an implicit 'something should help us make NBC non-Jewish' appeal in it. I say: let's make something better instead.
I honestly don't think much about that. What I do think about is what I see in my daily life: muslims fucking over Europe. That's a problem that could be solved by sending them back to the shitholes they came from.
Nope, see Crensch' replies in this thread to see why that is. I was very, very active on Voat in 2015. Then @NeedleStack and I left PV because of Crensch and kevdude, whom he unfortunately convinced to take his side at the time.
I don't really think the shouting down of people who aren't Nazis is super productive. I'm called far right, but I'm apparently not far right enough to not be ad hominem'ed in here. I hope you guys realize you're making your base very small this way.
NeedleStack ago
Thanks for the ping. I've skimmed through the conversations here. To me, you aren't going to get anywhere here on this sub with this approach (as nice as the attempt is). It's a shame the level of devolved 'discourse' that is the norm for "Protect" voat now.
I find it fucking hilarious that Crensch is questioning your activity and presence on voat. It's as if he doesn't (conveniently) remember you used to be the OWNER of this sub and that YOU invited HIM to be a mod here in the first place. Absolutely astounding. But not surprising really lol!
It was a different time for voat when we were mods here. It was an exciting, refreshing time. Those days are dead, buried, and decayed I'm sorry to say. Hugs to you.
Laurentius_the_pyro ago
"how dare @Crensch not agree with you, you invited him to the sub so he owes you a debt of loyalty"
Fuck off with this Reddit shit, nobody is forced to ignore bullshit because of who says it, old Scandy here is not excused from being called out on his blatant bullshit based on starpower, and neither are you.
Crensch ago
God damn, -3 in 3.4 hours when responding to a comment 1.3 days old.
And they think anyone else will look at that and dismiss it as organic?