Hi guys!
I was having a discussion with resident shill @kevdude in PMs about free speech on Voat and thought it was worth asking all of you to join. So here goes!
It's 2015: SJW time
Some of you might remember when Voat was in alpha, back in 2015. The SJWs moved in as Ellen Gong Phat Pao was doing the dirty work on Reddit and people were migrating over here. As you know, SJWs always follow to censor the free exchange of ideas. A little cunt in particular by the name of 'she' was quickly raking in mod positions. AskVoat - the most active verse at the time - was being censored left and right.
SJWs are like parasites: if you have something valuable, they'll try to suck the blood out of it
At the time, the culture here was still mirroring Reddit. At the same time, Voat was set to be the next big thing. We made PV to run the SJWs out of town by making sure they wouldn't have a quiet moment until free speech was guaranteed here. We won a lot of short-term battles then, and the likes of 'she' are nowhere to be found as verse owners.
I stopped believing in higher ideals. I think you have to fight fire with fire napalm
What ultimately made me leave PV was a strong disagreement between myself and another moderator on one side and @kevdude and @crensch on the other. I've later understood I'd run into the same problem over and over again:
I don't believe in free speech unless the playing field is level. I now believe you have to fight the SJWs (and other parasites who want to control other people's lives) by beating them with their own weapons first. Then, when everyone sees the value of free exchange of ideas, you can have that.
Voat is not a level playing field. And it's losing, big time
The current rules of the site (still) allow for shills and brigaders to push agendas into common spaces. Meanwhile, it seems what was ultimately a free speech place made itself irrelevant by allowing drama to take over where the SJWs left off. Voat is much less relevant today than it was in 2015.
If ProtectVoat is really here to protect Voat, we should set a new direction
We started this discussion before the recent blackout. It highlighted its necessity, though. If there is to be a Voat that does something other than provide a place to yell kikeniggerfaggot in (with no clout beyond our own reach whatsoever), I think it's time for major change. As of 2018, I would personally think a place like PV should support and fight for something else. Because the game is rigged anyway.
- I don't believe whatever drama group (including this one) should set the rules for niche subverses.
- I believe verse owners should have the right to moderate as they see fit, as long as there's at least five-ten non-moderated general interest verses.
- I believe Protect Voat should actively fight to have a full-time admin overseeing that the site isn't manipulated.
- I believe Nazis and SJWs are two sides of the same coin (people who want to control others' lives) and should be treated alike
- I think Voat could do so much more to advance universal ideas of freedom - at all levels from universities to global institutions - if verses were allowed to run with frameworks set by verse owners.
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Cuckbot ago
Its about fucking time someone did. It should have been you making a thread months ago. We need stop calling people out o private subs. Some subs we should still go after like Chicago, Toyata and yes, Pizzagate because those are names that hold a public interest. Everyone else we need to leave alone and make a competing sub without all the downvoting of the other subs members. It's killing Voat.
I don't agree with your v/all comments idea either. Just leave private subs alone. If you force people to listen to nigger and other shit they don't want to hear they go elsewhere. You and I helped kill Voat by our actions ad so did a lot of other goats. Lets get behind the admin and help him save it.
Your system never worked. You know who made that work and how. It was good while it lasted but no one should have to wade through 100 music videos. Your new friends made sure subs that emulated it were bought into line. I think you got played there but I'm not solid on that. Anyway, I agree and respect if you want to step off because you wont delete things. Brother did the same on v/linux, although he was going to hand over anyway. Give the other mods a chance to run it their way. If we need to get the word out about system mods we can use this sub or v/whatever. I'll have your back on those and the reddit troll mods of generic named subs. I wouldn't trust anyone but the former mods here though.
Why would I be anon? Part of why I was annoyed because you cared more about anon retard than us old PV guys. You made sticky o th sub and I didn't know shit about it but I wated to give feedback all the same. Second, he was right about the dumb @dooob sticky. This is the guy who called everyoe who couldn't delete accounts shareblue shills based on his retarded bullshit. Then you prop the retard by pinning up a thread that says if you cant say shareblue you are shareblue and if you do say shareblue you are shareblue. I know you did it to piss off off freshmeat. But you also pissed off people like me who valued that we always demanded evidence of claims. Now we are no better than Sanegoat calling people shills with no backup. Do you get it now? If you don't get why I was annoyed then you don't get why so many hated sanegoat. I stuck by you guys but retarded pins wriiten by retards just so you can take a stab at @freshmeat are where I draw the line. Maybe I'm annoyed because I did have faith in you to carry on where my brother left off. That's on me though and not on you.
dooob ago
I called users that i strongly suspected of being SB operatives out. For 3 days they insulted me and deflected, 3rd day two known shills return to my old thread and call me shareblue, 2 minutes appart from eachother, like i predicted.
Where were you during the voat blackout? Pls dont deflect my questions.
freshmeat ago
you have been witch hunting like a desperate faggot, and you are likely SB yourself. Since they dont operate under that name any more I suppose you are called something else
Cuckbot ago
This is where you need to improve. You could have just checked the voat preview but instead you tried to force me to come to your table to answer you. If I refuse to answer your question, I'm suspect. If I do answer your question then I'm suspect because I answered it.
So go fuck yourself with a sharp goat horn.
dooob ago
Where were you the first two days of the blackout? You came the third day with all the shills. Why were there 0 downvotes in the first two days? Why did downvotes start coming the same time shills arrived?