Hi guys!
I was having a discussion with resident shill @kevdude in PMs about free speech on Voat and thought it was worth asking all of you to join. So here goes!
It's 2015: SJW time
Some of you might remember when Voat was in alpha, back in 2015. The SJWs moved in as Ellen Gong Phat Pao was doing the dirty work on Reddit and people were migrating over here. As you know, SJWs always follow to censor the free exchange of ideas. A little cunt in particular by the name of 'she' was quickly raking in mod positions. AskVoat - the most active verse at the time - was being censored left and right.
SJWs are like parasites: if you have something valuable, they'll try to suck the blood out of it
At the time, the culture here was still mirroring Reddit. At the same time, Voat was set to be the next big thing. We made PV to run the SJWs out of town by making sure they wouldn't have a quiet moment until free speech was guaranteed here. We won a lot of short-term battles then, and the likes of 'she' are nowhere to be found as verse owners.
I stopped believing in higher ideals. I think you have to fight fire with fire napalm
What ultimately made me leave PV was a strong disagreement between myself and another moderator on one side and @kevdude and @crensch on the other. I've later understood I'd run into the same problem over and over again:
I don't believe in free speech unless the playing field is level. I now believe you have to fight the SJWs (and other parasites who want to control other people's lives) by beating them with their own weapons first. Then, when everyone sees the value of free exchange of ideas, you can have that.
Voat is not a level playing field. And it's losing, big time
The current rules of the site (still) allow for shills and brigaders to push agendas into common spaces. Meanwhile, it seems what was ultimately a free speech place made itself irrelevant by allowing drama to take over where the SJWs left off. Voat is much less relevant today than it was in 2015.
If ProtectVoat is really here to protect Voat, we should set a new direction
We started this discussion before the recent blackout. It highlighted its necessity, though. If there is to be a Voat that does something other than provide a place to yell kikeniggerfaggot in (with no clout beyond our own reach whatsoever), I think it's time for major change. As of 2018, I would personally think a place like PV should support and fight for something else. Because the game is rigged anyway.
- I don't believe whatever drama group (including this one) should set the rules for niche subverses.
- I believe verse owners should have the right to moderate as they see fit, as long as there's at least five-ten non-moderated general interest verses.
- I believe Protect Voat should actively fight to have a full-time admin overseeing that the site isn't manipulated.
- I believe Nazis and SJWs are two sides of the same coin (people who want to control others' lives) and should be treated alike
- I think Voat could do so much more to advance universal ideas of freedom - at all levels from universities to global institutions - if verses were allowed to run with frameworks set by verse owners.
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Mickgoestojail ago
I agree with private subs being left alone and I think Puttitout was attempting to define that with his recent changes. System subs, private subs and public subs. For too long it's been selective now anyway and the result is the head mod being brigaded below 0 and the posts being downvoted to the shit. It's mostly politically motivated as well. In case you misseed it I was a mod here for the last year until I left two months ago.
Scandinavian ago
What made you leave? The drama as described in your other comment?
Mickgoestojail ago
Disappointed left and it wasn't the same without him, he kept the drama and in-fighting of the sub as much as he could. He checked out emotionally almost a year ago because he had a sick family member.
Scandinavian ago
Right. I'm sorry to hear that. I'm pretty overwhelmed by how hostile the culture is in general. Shouldn't this place be not-Reddit? It's like Reddit on steroids with one millionth of the users.
Mickgoestojail ago
Take a look at the pizzagate post just made today here. That's what PV has devolved to. People slinging shit at each other and downvoting as they go. Soon the alts will arrive there as well and the votes will be in the -10 range. Much of Voat is like that now. If you're part of the clique you get away with deleting on your private subs. If you are not, you are declared fake like Needlestack was and you were just today, then a mob is formed to downvote you. All it takes is one or two downvotes to kill a small sub as well. It's too late for this sub and maybe for voat to change. On reddit the masses far outweigh the trolls and alts but here that's no longer the case. 30-40 alts is the win button and with an admin that cant keep up it's all over. We need users to speak up and finally draw line in the sand where private subs stand. Right now all it takes is an alt to post stuff here accusing someone, it gets stickied and then the shitshow begins.
Laurentius_the_pyro ago
oh how right you were, but in the opposite direction, suddenly everyone not eating OP's bullshit got a blast of downvoats instantly.
OP really needs to work on his shill game.
Mickgoestojail ago
I ever mentioned which direction and it doesn't really matter, it's always the same shit. The sub is drowning in drama. We used to flair the stuff and it worked mostly but now no one is flairing and even the mods are joining in.
Scandinavian ago
I understand about 10% of that post, but it sure seems like Mr. Autist there needs to either share his drugs with the group or make himself a subverse to blame the aliens from. I get where he's coming from, though - I had no idea we had so many dogs anally fisting children. I say knock it off, poodles! Dem kids aren't yours to fist!