Hi guys!
I was having a discussion with resident shill @kevdude in PMs about free speech on Voat and thought it was worth asking all of you to join. So here goes!
It's 2015: SJW time
Some of you might remember when Voat was in alpha, back in 2015. The SJWs moved in as Ellen Gong Phat Pao was doing the dirty work on Reddit and people were migrating over here. As you know, SJWs always follow to censor the free exchange of ideas. A little cunt in particular by the name of 'she' was quickly raking in mod positions. AskVoat - the most active verse at the time - was being censored left and right.
SJWs are like parasites: if you have something valuable, they'll try to suck the blood out of it
At the time, the culture here was still mirroring Reddit. At the same time, Voat was set to be the next big thing. We made PV to run the SJWs out of town by making sure they wouldn't have a quiet moment until free speech was guaranteed here. We won a lot of short-term battles then, and the likes of 'she' are nowhere to be found as verse owners.
I stopped believing in higher ideals. I think you have to fight fire with fire napalm
What ultimately made me leave PV was a strong disagreement between myself and another moderator on one side and @kevdude and @crensch on the other. I've later understood I'd run into the same problem over and over again:
I don't believe in free speech unless the playing field is level. I now believe you have to fight the SJWs (and other parasites who want to control other people's lives) by beating them with their own weapons first. Then, when everyone sees the value of free exchange of ideas, you can have that.
Voat is not a level playing field. And it's losing, big time
The current rules of the site (still) allow for shills and brigaders to push agendas into common spaces. Meanwhile, it seems what was ultimately a free speech place made itself irrelevant by allowing drama to take over where the SJWs left off. Voat is much less relevant today than it was in 2015.
If ProtectVoat is really here to protect Voat, we should set a new direction
We started this discussion before the recent blackout. It highlighted its necessity, though. If there is to be a Voat that does something other than provide a place to yell kikeniggerfaggot in (with no clout beyond our own reach whatsoever), I think it's time for major change. As of 2018, I would personally think a place like PV should support and fight for something else. Because the game is rigged anyway.
- I don't believe whatever drama group (including this one) should set the rules for niche subverses.
- I believe verse owners should have the right to moderate as they see fit, as long as there's at least five-ten non-moderated general interest verses.
- I believe Protect Voat should actively fight to have a full-time admin overseeing that the site isn't manipulated.
- I believe Nazis and SJWs are two sides of the same coin (people who want to control others' lives) and should be treated alike
- I think Voat could do so much more to advance universal ideas of freedom - at all levels from universities to global institutions - if verses were allowed to run with frameworks set by verse owners.
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FormerBaltimoreRes ago
Nazi's and SJW's two sides of the same coin, give me a fucking break.
National Socialists work to free society from Jewish degeneracy and push humanity forward. SJW want to virtue signal while being slaves to debt. "But they all want to control people", how over simplistic can someone get?
What's next, am I going to have to debunk the Nazi = Gun Control lie for the 15th time this week?
Scandinavian ago
Well, it got all you Nazis riled up enough to participate. Now let's see when you guys calm down enough to actually have the discussion about Voat.
FormerBaltimoreRes ago
You didn't get anyone riled up. You're just trying to play the super smart centralist. Every one tries to play the super smart centralist until they realize it's a losing game.
Scandinavian ago
You sure seem riled up.
FormerBaltimoreRes ago
You are from Denmark right, so does it bother you that you will soon be a foreigner in your own country? Do you ever wonder who might be organizing these invaders?
Or are you so above all of this that you don't get "riled up"?
Scandinavian ago
Ha, it seems like you're assuming a lot of my positions. My biggest problems with the Nazis is their insistence of ignoring the Muslim invasion of Europe. "But muh joos".
I don't have an opinion on whether there's a big Jewish conspiracy, but my position is why bother? I don't have to ask Jews permission to say I want a fucking border wall to Germany, repatriations of any non-Western immigrant and an amendment to our Constitution saying Denmark is for Danes.
Those are my political beliefs. Trust me there's a more direct road to winning that battle than bitching about Jews online. It doesn't solve anything and it doesn't create political clout to put a complete end to the islamification of Europe and, soon, America. That is a much bigger issue.
(And before you start, I have discussed the JQ a million times before and I've seen your material. I still fail to see how that solves any of the demographic problems facing the West).
FormerBaltimoreRes ago
There isn't a single national socialist who ignores the muslim invasion of Europe. Take that straw man and put it in a field somewhere else. I see that the Jewish question really bothers you, and I completely understand. Every part of your body wants to think that blaming the jews is just some excuse, that it's a distraction from actually addressing the issues facing Europe. Blaming the Jews is beneath you right?
But who is controlling your media, who is controlling your text books? Who is controlling your banks? Who was at the center of WWI and WWII? You claim you don't have to ask a Jews permission? OK, go say in public that any part of the supposed holocaust numbers are inaccurate, what will happen to you?
If I told you that the beggars in the streets of Paris were organized Gypsies you probably would look at the evidence and realize I was right. But when I tell you the nation wreckers are organized Jews your sensibilities are offended, you have been told from birth that blaming the jews is the realm of the ignorant. So no matter how many refugee centers they organize, no matter how many hedge funds manipulate your economies, no matter what you can't be one of those dumb nazis.
Notice, you never actually disagree with anything I say. You divert sure, hand wave maybe, but never actually take what I'm saying and refute it. Because you know the facts as well as I do, the only difficulty is getting you to acknowledge a very uncomfortable truth. I know it takes time, work at your own pace.
Scandinavian ago
That's not how I see that at all. My biggest problem is: I want to see Israel's border wall and go 'we should have one, too'. I see Jews are good at helping each other get good jobs. I think 'we should do that, too'. I see a people that spends its time building a strong military and they're using the intel and technology from that military to build a strong tech sector. I think 'why don't we do the same'.
What irks me is the envy of those that hate the Jews for what they've achieved. We're so many more Europeans (and European-Americans) - imagine what we could achieve if we started emulating success instead of complaining about it. That's how I think about it.