I'm going to try to avoid an in depth opener here but I am going to leave this stickied for us to discuss this. I've long been frustrated with the large number of people that reduce all civilizational and racial problems to Jewish plots. Some around here agree with me. Others just think I must be a Jew because I disagree with simplistic conspiracy theories.
Let's lay out some basics of what is legitimate and what is bullshit.
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Jewish media power - Jews are overrepresented in the US media yet still comprise a minority. And when people say Jews 'own' 'the media' this is the substance of it. They haven't the foggiest idea who owns the media in Germany or Switzerland.
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Jews control the world - bullshit with no real evidence.
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Rothschilds own most or all central banks - a kook theory derived from fringe sources.
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Jews ran the Soviet Union - overstated at best.
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Israel controls the United States - bullshit though the Zionist lobby has considerable power.
In my mind the most substantive criticism is that American Jews are mostly liberal and give Democrats upwards of 50% of their campaign funds in many cases.
What does this all amount to? Well, American Jews have a huge outmarriage rate. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 50%. Over the long run this will tend to dilute Jewish identity in the US and have them relate more to Gentiles. Some Jews will also start to self-deport as the alt-right gets stronger. Jews moving to Israel should generally be seen as desirable.
Notice I haven't said that pogroms are desirable though. But the gas oven set are apt to thinking my position is a 'Jewish' one. Few Jews would agree.
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Joe_McCarthy ago
As noted in the OP and elsewhere on this thread my purpose with the opener was not to go in depth but to introduce a discussion. A thorough, in depth study of a truly reputable nature involving Jews and the American media has not been conducted as far as I know (and it certainly isn't covered by cherry-picked internet memes we see on platforms like Voat) but some effort has been made to get to the truth here and is a useful debunking of the more outlandish claims and memes:
https://jasonbayz.wordpress.com/2015/07/02/demographics-of-the-american-media-elite/comment-page-1/
There are sociological surveys related to ethnicity and occupation in the US though. Ethnic Germans make pianos. Italians fish if I remember correctly. Jews are overrepresented as media personnel and in banking. But the data I've seen shows it to be well under 50%. I recall one textbook showing Jews at about 37% of media personnel in one survey. That dovetails pretty closely with the findings of the link I posted above.
Eh, I'd think that's of a nature where the evidence would fall more on the people making the claim. 'Jews rule the world' seems pretty out there for those with an education that includes some understanding of how complex systems work. 'The world' is one of the most complex systems of all.
But as noted elsewhere on this thread Mark Weber, the Nazi leaning Holocaust revisionist, cited evidence from the 90s showing Jews made up 11% of American elites.
http://www.ihr.org/leaflets/jewishlobby.shtml
And that's the US, mind, where they are known to have a large population and significant power. Suggesting they have power surpassing this in Japan, China, India, etc., or even Europe is simply stupid. Very unlikely too is that Jews would have increased their proportion of global elites, or even American elites, since the 90s to the tune of controlling the world.
Jews ruling the world is a stupid conspiracy theory with no real evidence and with evidence even to refute it as I have just demonstrated.
It may come as a shock but most central banks are owned by the state as one would expect.
I've looked into specific lists of senior governing bodies here:
https://voat.co/v/OccidentalEnclave/2113109/10419306/10
The Central Committee of the Communist Party had about 6 Jews out of 26 members and the Council of People's Commissars (state as opposed to party and the first actual government) had one Jew (Trotsky) out of about 18, for example.
Social Security has been called the third rail of American politics because of the power of the AARP. They in some sense control policy in that key area because there are a lot of old people they have as members (far more than Jews in terms of numbers in the US). But to say they control the US would be quite doltish. The NRA has even finished ahead of the Zionist lobby in surveys of Washington insiders regarding the power of lobby groups in the US. Does the NRA control the United States?
http://www.timewarner.com/newsroom/press-releases/1999/11/15/fortune-releases-annual-survey-of-most-powerful-lobbying
Crensch ago
"I don't want the burden of proof, so I will shift it onto you."
Kek.
Joe_McCarthy ago
If that's what you got out of that response you're going to be even easier than I thought. With you I'm not going to hold back either.
Crensch ago
Oh, that's not all I got out of that, that's all that I care to respond to at the moment. It wasn't a response to my words, so I feel no real pressure to respond right away with a carpet-bombing of your stupidity.
Joe_McCarthy ago
From what I've seen from you you're fighting with a slingshot. After all, you just hit me with 'Ahaha. Not believing Jews rule the world makes ya dumm. Pr00ve j00z don't rule it!'
And that only after lifting part of my response where I annihilated the whole retarded idea.
Even dime store Jew haters aren't this stupid. You nutzis on 4chan, Voat, etc., occupy your own special ed class.
Crensch ago
From what I've seen, most here are pretty sure that your grasp on reality is tenuous at best.
Your claim is that they do not. Prove it.
If, by annihilated, you mean you showed how unequipped you are to argue your position, sure. I know you Jews like your word games.
It's hilarious that you would claim to know such a thing; more hilarious that you think anyone here would believe you.
Joe_McCarthy ago
I know a lot of things you don't when it comes to this topic. This is like a professor teaching a freshman. You'll find out though I'm in no particular hurry to take your head off. I usually have other things to do than spend several hours in one setting responding to a blizzard of bullshit. Your blizzard of bullshit will also be addressed last. You should feel honored.
Crensch ago
Apparently, you do not.
Another absurd claim you probably won't be able to support.
Because you know it'll be you smelling the bitter almonds.
Another claim I doubt is true.
I'm pretty sure it will be barely addressed, if at all. You'll push claim I have the burden of proof when you do, or claim that I have not met my burden of proof to your mind, which would be moving the goalposts out of reach of literally anyone arguing against you.
You'll also claim personal knowledge of things as a source like you did here, and expect others to just accept it.
Filthy Jews can't argue with anything more than fallacies and appeals to emotion.