I'm going to try to avoid an in depth opener here but I am going to leave this stickied for us to discuss this. I've long been frustrated with the large number of people that reduce all civilizational and racial problems to Jewish plots. Some around here agree with me. Others just think I must be a Jew because I disagree with simplistic conspiracy theories.
Let's lay out some basics of what is legitimate and what is bullshit.
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Jewish media power - Jews are overrepresented in the US media yet still comprise a minority. And when people say Jews 'own' 'the media' this is the substance of it. They haven't the foggiest idea who owns the media in Germany or Switzerland.
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Jews control the world - bullshit with no real evidence.
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Rothschilds own most or all central banks - a kook theory derived from fringe sources.
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Jews ran the Soviet Union - overstated at best.
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Israel controls the United States - bullshit though the Zionist lobby has considerable power.
In my mind the most substantive criticism is that American Jews are mostly liberal and give Democrats upwards of 50% of their campaign funds in many cases.
What does this all amount to? Well, American Jews have a huge outmarriage rate. Somewhere in the neighborhood of 50%. Over the long run this will tend to dilute Jewish identity in the US and have them relate more to Gentiles. Some Jews will also start to self-deport as the alt-right gets stronger. Jews moving to Israel should generally be seen as desirable.
Notice I haven't said that pogroms are desirable though. But the gas oven set are apt to thinking my position is a 'Jewish' one. Few Jews would agree.
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ErrorHasNoRights ago
I think they certainly have extraordinary influence for their size in Western nations, and have for quite a long time now. Are they not the Synagogue of Satan?
And this goes beyond simply donating to Democrats because that is looking at the entire Jewish population as a whole. The less powerful Jews are hardly the problem, even if they do vote Democrat. The powerful ones influence both Democrat and Republican Parties. You have to admit that our foreign policy in the Mideast is practically following the Yinon Plan to a tee.
But I also think we allow them too much credit. To whatever extent they do rule us, it's because, through our own weaknesses, we let them.
Joe_McCarthy ago
Ordinary Jews are typically politically liberal. This means a general aversion if not hostility to public displays of Christian symbols, a negative attitude toward conservative Christians, positive attitudes toward gun control, mass immigration, etc. But that basically makes them a more anti-Christian version of Puerto Ricans. And significantly between the two of them they could soon turn Florida permanently blue. This would especially tend to be the case if we adopt the attitude as official policy that the US is in the service of Israeli expansionism - a crazy idea I have to say - as it'll put pressure on Israel and encourage more Jews to move to Florida.
As voting blocs though blacks are a much worse problem. They're a much worse problem, period. So are 'Hispanics'. Soon Muslims probably will be too.
ErrorHasNoRights ago
I guess it's a question as to whether the main problems facing the country (and the West) are voting-related and / or political. And I would argue they are not. I would say that politics is downstream of culture, and those that want to use state power for their own ends know this fact very well.
Blacks are only a "much worse problem" if your problem is worrying about getting knocked out while walking through the park.
Joe_McCarthy ago
Blacks are a significant violent crime threat, a relatively unproductive underclass that uses disproportionate sums of welfare, and an increasingly serious miscegenation threat.
Jews pose little or no threat on these fronts. Niggers are a cancer though.
ErrorHasNoRights ago
How can you say Jews pose little or no threat when they're some of the largest proponents of government debt, trillion dollar wars and immigration-invasion?
Yeah I get that we have to get welfare spending down but people don't blink an eye when it comes to the welfare that is the defense department or our endless military adventures.
Joe_McCarthy ago
The Jewish role in immigration is radically overstated. I don't doubt they usually favor it. What I do doubt is their impact in enacting it. I'm not convinced they have much impact. Certainly not compared to the business lobby or ethnic lobbies looking to bring family members in. The Catholic Church is probably even more of a mover there.
But I was speaking specifically in terms of a direct threat on miscegenation. Jews don't really pose one themselves. It's blacks mixing with us not Jews that is a threat.
If you say Jews support heavy social spending that is heavily offset by their productivity. They are about the highest earners in the country after all. Blacks though push for spending but contribute less.
And I'd hardly call Jews huge militarists. Liberals don't support huge defense budgets. American Jews were no more likely to support Iraq in polling than the American people at large.
You can say neo-con but the guy making the decisions there was some Protestant New England transplant in Texas. And in any case the war issue is not something I mentioned.
ErrorHasNoRights ago
I feel like you're putting blinders on and then saying, "I don't see Jews involved in this". Am I wrong? And while I don't think the JQ should be overstated, it seems like you're sort of doing the opposite.
Joe_McCarthy ago
I don't think so. It's not that they're uninvolved. More that they're less important than is assumed. A key weakness of them is their lack of numbers. That means a lot more than Judeo-obsessives appreciate. Thus they can be overrepresented in some bad things and yet still be greatly outnumbered. For example, lobbying for refugee intake in the US. Jewish groups do often favor that but so do most Christian churches. And the churches dwarf them in numbers. Immigration itself is a complicated process driven by demographics, population explosion, desire to move here, demand of capitalists, desire for immigrants already here to sponsor and lobby for family members, Christian humanitarianism, Democrats' need for voters, and the difficulty of defending the Mexican border. Jewish capitalists favor immigration but in their function as capitalists, not Jews, as Gentile capitalists act just like them given their similar class position of benefiting from cheap labor in a competitive market economy. And here again the lack of raw numbers constrain Jews. The large majority of such people are Gentiles even if Jews are overrepresented.
Given all of this there is little reason to focus so monomaniacally on Jews. They are intelligent liberals basically and the problems they do pose are better addressed by a general anti-liberalism rather than anti-Semitism. Anti-Semitism has a bad smell and the Judeo-obsessive, in his obsession with the Jew and only the Jew actually distorts and limits the scope of the problem.
My call isn't to ignore the issue. Only to have a proper understanding of it. What dominates on various internet platforms are superficial, meme driven ideas that are frankly idiotic and turn off people like me that are even otherwise inclined to be generally sympathetic in terms of the broader concerns the white race faces demographically.
ErrorHasNoRights ago
Overall I agree with this view.