I would really like to know what it is the loving evangelical Christians are dong that makes him so mad? Love God and each other? Support Freedom and human rights? Personal accountability? Being happy?
uummm failed to see any ranting in the above remark,i think i covered your christian cults above. it appears you were on a little bit of one ,however(rant).
Now look at the wordsoup you are using: esoteric occult .... milintel physical natsec secrets ... WOW ... all in one sentence!
esoteric: belonging to an inner circle, or those in the know. General populace is not in the know. Esoteric is a description of the state of certain knowledge, without judgement as to it's validity and vector (good or evil) Aristotle had teachings only those who belonged to his private group would be explained and would understand.
Jesus says: To them I tell illustrations, but to you belongs the knowledge => esoteric.
occult = hidden. So if you stashed away a certain amount of PM because of a boating accident, you have occulted your stack.
So, what are you trying to say by this tautology: esoteric occult .... spooky!
Natsec is classified, meaning it is only to be seen by certain privileged people, who belong to an inner circle. = esoteric. Milintel can be classified. But not all milintel is. A secret is supposed to be that: knowledge only available to a privy (yes) group.
What do you mean by milintel physical natsec secrets? Man again, such tautology. it sounds impressive. Very very impressive. You heard the churchbell but have no idea where the clapper is located.
Which means .... the clapper is occult. And you do not belong to the in crowd who knows. To you that is esoteric. And since I am not going to tell you, because it is a secret. Classified information. Actually, it is a national security issue.
my password is to this account is therefore occult,the code to the gate @ the swimming pool is by your definintion "OCCULT" you fail to understand there is a difference between "occult and secret. you 3rd grade teacher has failed, very badly.
Not to you, but to us, for good measure. And rejoice. That is the reason why knowledge is occult.
With regard to 3rd grade teacher: you missed the tautology part. But that's ok. You see the difference in response. You trying yourself to make yourself big by using derogatories, while I point out the lingo. And if you take the historical use into account, you will find that certain group have an agenda to impart a judgement into a neutral word. I leave it to you to consider whether that is a good thing or not. That is your choice. As for me, I do not fall for such brainwashing.
ahhh, I see, its someone else that stole the words and changed the meaning. Not you? you have many points that are agreeable however, the chance of having a deeper conversation is impossible as " That is the reason why knowledge is occult. " this statement is false. You continue to attempt to make these words interchangeable and they are not.
But I did not claim someone stole it. You should be aware there is one entity that controlled language: RCC. Latin is the language of the RCC. And THEY had a powerful position to apply this term to anything they saw as threatening their primacy: astrology, alchemy and naturalism. Their version: transubstantiation, it is something magical. Certain individuals pushed the envelope and went beyond the confines of what this Church thought best by alchemy, astrology and more. (Leonardo da Vinci and the like) Science as we know it today, did not exist.
Yet, back in the time, this was the advent of western scientific efforts. And the current hollywood/ popular blabla, does it's best to keep it that way by associating it with other stuff.
To give you an example: The forces of nature in it's cyclic manifestation could not be well understood. Yet, many culture had symbols and mystical stories to explain there. For example, the wheel, Ygdrasil, Is (say: ees). Or the search for the fountain of youth, elixer of life. Deep down in time, in what we came to know as Egypt, which actual name is Misr, and indeed the Nile is not a river in Egypt, but Hapi, the search for this was present too, and they found a substance called Murgut. Or as the bible calls it: Manna: what is it?
Only with our current understanding of particles and their strange world, can we somewhat understand what is going on, with the bread of live that the king of Misr ate everyday to feed his astral body. But, in the time of the RCC, it was called: occult! And as a devout RCC member you were not supposed to touch such topics! Occult! Satan! the Church is your salvation! So, you see, I am not even claiming the word was stolen, as it was part of the vocabulary of the Church, but applied differently, or rather in their best interest. A sort of felon who now in California gets another label, that completely eviscerates the difference between perpetrator and victim. Or invaders who are called undocumented immigrants. It is obfuscation, or occulting what is really the matter, suppression.
Worse even, the word Pharmakia, which is in the actual book of revelation, is often translated with sorcery or witchcraft, but the word itself also gives us pharmacy, yielding paracetamol, painkillers, anesthetics, birthcontrol, penecillin, and more, although unfortunately also prescription drugs like prozac and the like. Yet, that word is actually warned about, while occult is not. The same goes for the word apocrypha. Or the misapplication of apocalypse. Stories to scare people. That is all.
But if you so wish, do not let history be of any import to how you view the world.
nice, but incomplete, yet you are making a point for having a universal, immutable lexicon . If the aforementioned were adhered to, this conversation wouldnt be needed. I do like your use of occulting as a verb, however. @ some point in your studies you will come to the realization that evil exists and that evil entities are cheap and easy to leverage and this how this knowledge is used today, in general. Using Sumerian derivatives like egypt as a starting point puts a person in "their occulting box" as you are using "their " rules to explain history. You will discover as you circle around decade after decade. youll also discover your intuition is your most valuable tool. It was your intuition that made you respond, even though you found it adversarial @ first.You will, assuredly, come to the conclusion, metaphorically and literally"Dude, they channel demons" (said in the most pragmatic,SoCal dude speak)
And thank you again for responding. hahahaha, very good! Occulting indeed is new lingo. by the same token occult can be used as a verb.
And agree with the view that evil exists. That is a foregone conclusion.
When I review the level of scientific understanding at this point about the expanse of our universe, and the advances science has made in the realm of the very small some very odd things happen. For instance, the discovery that certain particles enter en exit our 3D world and appear again in a different location. The fact that particles appear paired, so that what happens to the one happens to the other at great distances. Even the most famous of investigations of Alchemy (Al Khem => chemistry), turning lead into gold, we now have a pretty good understanding of how we can do so, and we are even capable of calculating how much energy that would take (not feasible). Considering the fact that a SOCAL Dude is corresponding via this medium in writing with the Dutch Dude, defies logic to a regular Joe brain a 100 years ago. Especially, given the fact that the keys I touch to write this are translated electronically into symbols on screen, and at the submit button, by light, are being send to and hosted on this platform, while you, accessing this message, will be receiving this by light pulses, through a transatlantic cable. This is magic. Although, I am capable of somewhat describing what happens, I am totally not equipped to detail who it actually works. So, how would you explain to John the evangelist what just took place? Would he think you are on some mushroom trip?
I think that there is truth to Arthur C Clarkes laws:
When a distinguished but elderly scientist states that something is possible, he is almost certainly right. When he states that something is impossible, he is very probably wrong.
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
It is fascinating to read for instance about the pharmakia trials held in Virginia after 1600. terms like: he looks "more like a devil then a man", or Indians to be "making noise like so many Wolves or Devils". I am sure you too see the trick, that is being played. My logical brain would pose the question: How do you know how devils scream? When and how did you establish these facts? When I read the gospels, I am amazed at how many people were possessed by a demon, whereas we would now see these people to be sick or having a DNA deficiency.
Instead of acknowledging their own lack of understanding, their modern 16th century views of how things were supposed to be, were the measure of things combined with emotion (fear). This all comes on the heels of a previous period in Europe where the devil was under every table, especially during the height of the Roman inquisition. This in turn lead to suppression of thought, which lead to the Dutch declaration of independence in 1581. Even challenging the divine right of kings was considered evil, as it would undermine the order then established and was of the devil. Simplicity thinking was quite prevalent: one was of God or not. If not, one was of the devil with all the scorn and negative emotions that would bear. Being different was aberrant.
Turning the tables, native Americans being handed blankets, and those using it, became sick and died. Magic! We now understand why: germs. To them it must have been an invisible power, an evil power to which they had no medicine. It is still amazing that the 5th century BCE Greek philosophers, also based on the what is now called occult knowledge, were able to posit the existence of atoms.
When I compare the latter guys to people in the 18th century, taking these ancient kind of philosophies, and framing it inside their own references with their own goals, it seems to paint a picture of co-opting (appropriation if you will) and misdirection. It is being used for purposes not intended. Evil purposes.
That said, I am not so sure Misr, and I reject to use the misconception perpetrated by Herodotus here, is a copy paste of Sumer. Sumer dates back to maybe 3000 BCE. Yet, it is established that Gobleki Tepi dates back to 8000 - 10.000 BCE. And there is good reason to suspect that the Spfinx in Giza, due to its erosion by water, is around the same time frame. Given the fast difference in time, it makes sense to consider how these people viewed the world and why it changed.
Forgive the sabbatical (no pun intended) :) so have no bones to pick with you statements,these are all historically considered true. Sure they are a little condensed an generalized, but for impromptu discussion . What i would ask ,and i think you know instinctively where i am going with this. You mentioned that in history ,religion,(the pope, and Catholics in particular) pretty much controlled the new "science" or whatever subject they thought detrimental to them controlling the status quo. And I will add they did it for many hundreds of years by using our "occulting" methodology. We know this is true and is even acknowledged by current Mainstream history . Yet we also know the Church owns and stores most of the ancient texts. They started their "ocullting " early on when they condensed the bible and left many of its books out, one of which is Enoch ,grandfather of Noah ,in Constantinople. This is general as well, detail is not really needed here.My question is "did the church itself ever stop "occulting" its competitors , for lack of a better word ? I would think/guess you would agree that it has not stopped.This is why you related the history , basically to prove that point. Science and its professors have been "occulting" their competitors as well . All the while both groups are using knowledge that is hidden from the general public to create self feeding institutions. False knowledge to control .My point in this rambling narrative is " if their were NO hidden forces(i referred to them as occult in my first post) why are the scientists here at the most advanced research laboratory throwing a demonstratively ritualistic ceremony? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-VJdhlVKFY as i made reference to before "dude, they are channeling demons" all the while telling us that supernatural forces doNot exist, they are attempting to harness them. for our own good ,no doubt.
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nevergiveup2them ago
I would really like to know what it is the loving evangelical Christians are dong that makes him so mad? Love God and each other? Support Freedom and human rights? Personal accountability? Being happy?
Revised ago
You nailed it.
Democrats cannot tolerate these things so the stand firmly behind their Brown Shirts.
fuckingmockies ago
Brown Shirts? The Nazi's were the good guys in WWII, buddy.
ZombiClown ago
occultists are never the good guys that would include many so called christian cults
redtoe_skipper ago
Christians are occultist too. Ever read about the Holy secret in Paul's letters? Or the phrase: carefully hidden within him (Phillipians I believe)
What about the secret who the seed of the woman is, and the seed of the snake, between whom God instigated enmity?
Do christians use symbols? Cross, bread and wine, fish .....
The meaning of these secrets and symbols are only for those who are initiated and thus they are occulted, or hidden.
So before you start ranting about occultist ... remember, to look at the beam in your own eye.
ZombiClown ago
uummm failed to see any ranting in the above remark,i think i covered your christian cults above. it appears you were on a little bit of one ,however(rant).
redtoe_skipper ago
occultists are never the good guys ... is what you said, right. Whatever the reason for hiding knowledge, even Q is an occultist.
ZombiClown ago
it appears you a confusing esoteric occult definitions to milintel physical NatSec secrets. meh weak,real weak.sorry.
redtoe_skipper ago
Now look at the wordsoup you are using: esoteric occult .... milintel physical natsec secrets ... WOW ... all in one sentence!
esoteric: belonging to an inner circle, or those in the know. General populace is not in the know. Esoteric is a description of the state of certain knowledge, without judgement as to it's validity and vector (good or evil) Aristotle had teachings only those who belonged to his private group would be explained and would understand.
Jesus says: To them I tell illustrations, but to you belongs the knowledge => esoteric.
occult = hidden. So if you stashed away a certain amount of PM because of a boating accident, you have occulted your stack.
So, what are you trying to say by this tautology: esoteric occult .... spooky!
Natsec is classified, meaning it is only to be seen by certain privileged people, who belong to an inner circle. = esoteric. Milintel can be classified. But not all milintel is. A secret is supposed to be that: knowledge only available to a privy (yes) group.
What do you mean by milintel physical natsec secrets? Man again, such tautology. it sounds impressive. Very very impressive. You heard the churchbell but have no idea where the clapper is located.
Which means .... the clapper is occult. And you do not belong to the in crowd who knows. To you that is esoteric. And since I am not going to tell you, because it is a secret. Classified information. Actually, it is a national security issue.
ZombiClown ago
my password is to this account is therefore occult,the code to the gate @ the swimming pool is by your definintion "OCCULT" you fail to understand there is a difference between "occult and secret. you 3rd grade teacher has failed, very badly.
redtoe_skipper ago
Not to you, but to us, for good measure. And rejoice. That is the reason why knowledge is occult.
With regard to 3rd grade teacher: you missed the tautology part. But that's ok. You see the difference in response. You trying yourself to make yourself big by using derogatories, while I point out the lingo. And if you take the historical use into account, you will find that certain group have an agenda to impart a judgement into a neutral word. I leave it to you to consider whether that is a good thing or not. That is your choice. As for me, I do not fall for such brainwashing.
ZombiClown ago
ahhh, I see, its someone else that stole the words and changed the meaning. Not you? you have many points that are agreeable however, the chance of having a deeper conversation is impossible as " That is the reason why knowledge is occult. " this statement is false. You continue to attempt to make these words interchangeable and they are not.
redtoe_skipper ago
Of course, and I will continue to do so.
But I did not claim someone stole it. You should be aware there is one entity that controlled language: RCC. Latin is the language of the RCC. And THEY had a powerful position to apply this term to anything they saw as threatening their primacy: astrology, alchemy and naturalism. Their version: transubstantiation, it is something magical. Certain individuals pushed the envelope and went beyond the confines of what this Church thought best by alchemy, astrology and more. (Leonardo da Vinci and the like) Science as we know it today, did not exist.
Yet, back in the time, this was the advent of western scientific efforts. And the current hollywood/ popular blabla, does it's best to keep it that way by associating it with other stuff.
To give you an example: The forces of nature in it's cyclic manifestation could not be well understood. Yet, many culture had symbols and mystical stories to explain there. For example, the wheel, Ygdrasil, Is (say: ees). Or the search for the fountain of youth, elixer of life. Deep down in time, in what we came to know as Egypt, which actual name is Misr, and indeed the Nile is not a river in Egypt, but Hapi, the search for this was present too, and they found a substance called Murgut. Or as the bible calls it: Manna: what is it?
Only with our current understanding of particles and their strange world, can we somewhat understand what is going on, with the bread of live that the king of Misr ate everyday to feed his astral body. But, in the time of the RCC, it was called: occult! And as a devout RCC member you were not supposed to touch such topics! Occult! Satan! the Church is your salvation! So, you see, I am not even claiming the word was stolen, as it was part of the vocabulary of the Church, but applied differently, or rather in their best interest. A sort of felon who now in California gets another label, that completely eviscerates the difference between perpetrator and victim. Or invaders who are called undocumented immigrants. It is obfuscation, or occulting what is really the matter, suppression.
Worse even, the word Pharmakia, which is in the actual book of revelation, is often translated with sorcery or witchcraft, but the word itself also gives us pharmacy, yielding paracetamol, painkillers, anesthetics, birthcontrol, penecillin, and more, although unfortunately also prescription drugs like prozac and the like. Yet, that word is actually warned about, while occult is not. The same goes for the word apocrypha. Or the misapplication of apocalypse. Stories to scare people. That is all.
But if you so wish, do not let history be of any import to how you view the world.
ZombiClown ago
nice, but incomplete, yet you are making a point for having a universal, immutable lexicon . If the aforementioned were adhered to, this conversation wouldnt be needed. I do like your use of occulting as a verb, however. @ some point in your studies you will come to the realization that evil exists and that evil entities are cheap and easy to leverage and this how this knowledge is used today, in general. Using Sumerian derivatives like egypt as a starting point puts a person in "their occulting box" as you are using "their " rules to explain history. You will discover as you circle around decade after decade. youll also discover your intuition is your most valuable tool. It was your intuition that made you respond, even though you found it adversarial @ first.You will, assuredly, come to the conclusion, metaphorically and literally"Dude, they channel demons" (said in the most pragmatic,SoCal dude speak)
redtoe_skipper ago
And thank you again for responding. hahahaha, very good! Occulting indeed is new lingo. by the same token occult can be used as a verb.
And agree with the view that evil exists. That is a foregone conclusion.
When I review the level of scientific understanding at this point about the expanse of our universe, and the advances science has made in the realm of the very small some very odd things happen. For instance, the discovery that certain particles enter en exit our 3D world and appear again in a different location. The fact that particles appear paired, so that what happens to the one happens to the other at great distances. Even the most famous of investigations of Alchemy (Al Khem => chemistry), turning lead into gold, we now have a pretty good understanding of how we can do so, and we are even capable of calculating how much energy that would take (not feasible). Considering the fact that a SOCAL Dude is corresponding via this medium in writing with the Dutch Dude, defies logic to a regular Joe brain a 100 years ago. Especially, given the fact that the keys I touch to write this are translated electronically into symbols on screen, and at the submit button, by light, are being send to and hosted on this platform, while you, accessing this message, will be receiving this by light pulses, through a transatlantic cable. This is magic. Although, I am capable of somewhat describing what happens, I am totally not equipped to detail who it actually works. So, how would you explain to John the evangelist what just took place? Would he think you are on some mushroom trip?
I think that there is truth to Arthur C Clarkes laws:
The only way of discovering the limits of the possible is to venture a little way past them into the impossible.
Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.
It is fascinating to read for instance about the pharmakia trials held in Virginia after 1600. terms like: he looks "more like a devil then a man", or Indians to be "making noise like so many Wolves or Devils". I am sure you too see the trick, that is being played. My logical brain would pose the question: How do you know how devils scream? When and how did you establish these facts? When I read the gospels, I am amazed at how many people were possessed by a demon, whereas we would now see these people to be sick or having a DNA deficiency.
Instead of acknowledging their own lack of understanding, their modern 16th century views of how things were supposed to be, were the measure of things combined with emotion (fear). This all comes on the heels of a previous period in Europe where the devil was under every table, especially during the height of the Roman inquisition. This in turn lead to suppression of thought, which lead to the Dutch declaration of independence in 1581. Even challenging the divine right of kings was considered evil, as it would undermine the order then established and was of the devil. Simplicity thinking was quite prevalent: one was of God or not. If not, one was of the devil with all the scorn and negative emotions that would bear. Being different was aberrant.
Turning the tables, native Americans being handed blankets, and those using it, became sick and died. Magic! We now understand why: germs. To them it must have been an invisible power, an evil power to which they had no medicine. It is still amazing that the 5th century BCE Greek philosophers, also based on the what is now called occult knowledge, were able to posit the existence of atoms.
When I compare the latter guys to people in the 18th century, taking these ancient kind of philosophies, and framing it inside their own references with their own goals, it seems to paint a picture of co-opting (appropriation if you will) and misdirection. It is being used for purposes not intended. Evil purposes.
That said, I am not so sure Misr, and I reject to use the misconception perpetrated by Herodotus here, is a copy paste of Sumer. Sumer dates back to maybe 3000 BCE. Yet, it is established that Gobleki Tepi dates back to 8000 - 10.000 BCE. And there is good reason to suspect that the Spfinx in Giza, due to its erosion by water, is around the same time frame. Given the fast difference in time, it makes sense to consider how these people viewed the world and why it changed.
ZombiClown ago
Forgive the sabbatical (no pun intended) :) so have no bones to pick with you statements,these are all historically considered true. Sure they are a little condensed an generalized, but for impromptu discussion . What i would ask ,and i think you know instinctively where i am going with this. You mentioned that in history ,religion,(the pope, and Catholics in particular) pretty much controlled the new "science" or whatever subject they thought detrimental to them controlling the status quo. And I will add they did it for many hundreds of years by using our "occulting" methodology. We know this is true and is even acknowledged by current Mainstream history . Yet we also know the Church owns and stores most of the ancient texts. They started their "ocullting " early on when they condensed the bible and left many of its books out, one of which is Enoch ,grandfather of Noah ,in Constantinople. This is general as well, detail is not really needed here.My question is "did the church itself ever stop "occulting" its competitors , for lack of a better word ? I would think/guess you would agree that it has not stopped.This is why you related the history , basically to prove that point. Science and its professors have been "occulting" their competitors as well . All the while both groups are using knowledge that is hidden from the general public to create self feeding institutions. False knowledge to control .My point in this rambling narrative is " if their were NO hidden forces(i referred to them as occult in my first post) why are the scientists here at the most advanced research laboratory throwing a demonstratively ritualistic ceremony? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H-VJdhlVKFY as i made reference to before "dude, they are channeling demons" all the while telling us that supernatural forces doNot exist, they are attempting to harness them. for our own good ,no doubt.