I know this will be a controversial topic, but as you all know, we’ve been programmed since we were born to believe what we were taught in school. The media and entertainment industry continue to program us.
Us red pilled Patriots do not just believe what we’re told. We’re no longer blind sheep. We do our own research and spread the word. So why not do the same when it comes to the Holocaust?
For over 2 years now, many people on Voat have said that the Holocaust was a lie. I’ve been researching the subject and found an awesome website about it on https://8ch.net/qresearch. I was up late reading this last night, and I am convinced now that we were absolutely lied to. I’m not saying people didn’t die, but the whole story is very different than we’ve been taught to believe.
There are tons of pictures included. It’s a very interesting read no matter what your belief is regarding the Holocaust. So for those of you that are curious, here’s the link...
https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/
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Dragon40 ago
Utter bullshit.
Blacksmith21 ago
I love how these self-professed "historians" call all media propaganda now (which it largely is), yet don't consider the fact that most of this BS was propaganda then.
Crensch ago
Are you referring to the newspaper articles about 6 million before the war even happened?
Blacksmith21 ago
I'm referring to crap like this: https://files.catbox.moe/z3y3e4.png
It's Great Depression-era Daily Stormer crap. They had propaganda back then, just as they do now. Look at the history of this paper.
The Holocaust happened. Way too many first-person accounts to be a FF, statistically speaking.
It is the motives which are now in question.
We all know that the enemy we fight today is the 4th Reich. The Holocaust was a criminal act of persecution against the Jews for Deep State purposes perpetrated by the 3rd Reich.
History repeats itself. I
think- ago
I think the problem here is that @Crensch and other people who say the holocaust = genocide never happened have a list of arguments that should be responded to in detail; this is what @LauraIngalls wasn't able to do, she only replied in an emotional way, and quoted one Christian eye witness IIRC.
My suggestion would be to postpone the argument, immerse yourself in history books for a couple of months, and then come back, and have that discussion regarding the exact numbers, with a number of sources about how many Jews were killed where in which way.
I.e. instead of just saying that there are many eye witness reports, you might want to quote a couple of them, and link to sources.
I think it would be worth the effort.
Maybe @Crensch can do a list of arguments he has, and you can then come back and discuss these.
I feel this would be helpful for the whole community.
It doesn't matter whether @Crensch spends his spare time online or with fishing and hunting; as long as he has arguments you and others with the same position are not able to discuss in detail, with linked sources, he will be the 'winner' here.
@srayzie @Vindicator
Lauraingalls ago
I don't have time for all that. I know the TRUTH, President Trump knows the TRUTH, Paca Goat who knows survivors of the Holocaust knows the TRUTH. Anyone else that wants to be a Holocaust Denier can look up the history of that subject. I was told by Crensch that these Hitler supporters have been on Voat for years. They try to convert people to their side. I am not interested in being a Neo Nazi. By the way, there are many witnesses I "QUOTED". Obviously YOU didn't notice. And I am "EMOTIONAL" because denying that HORROR IS SICK. SOMEBODY has to CARE.
think- ago
Apologies if I overlooked that.
It's ok to be emotional about it, but you won't win an argument, or convince people reading the thread this way. You will need to quote historians, and their sources.
@srayzie @Vindicator @Blacksmith21
srayzie ago
Oh she’s not even willing to look or have an open mind. She keeps insinuating that we are denying it. I am NOT denying it. There is a lot we were not taught tho!
She told me she does NOT want to see anyone’s evidence and told me and @Bopper to not push this BULLSHIT on her and we said ok.
She dishes it out but can’t take it even people QUOTE something that is different than what she’s been taught her whole life.
@Think- @Vindicator
Vindicator ago
That is a normal reaction to cognitive dissonance. It's not surprising @LauraIngalls can't engage the topic. We've all been there.
I haven't read all the 700+ comments here yet, but I doubt anyone is saying "it didn't happen." More like "it didn't happen the way you've been told." My sense is that they're convinced it is the biggest psyop of all time, perpetrated and enforced with draconian censorship, brainwashing and demonization of doubters, and therefore it demands investigation, debate and reevaluation.
That question should really create cognitive dissonance. Instead of lashing out and running away, we should take a deep breath, pour ourselves a stiff drink, and humbly ask ourselves how awakened we really are.
Those who are Christian have no need to fear discovering whatever the truth really is. The truth is what brings all to freedom. As St. Paul said, "Put all things to the test: keep what is Good." 1 Thessalonians 5:21
Lauraingalls ago
There is NO NEED to personally attack me. I can engage a topic. I know the TRUTH. And if you do READ the comments PLENTY of people denied the Holocaust happened, smarty pants. You act like a liberal with your personal attack. They even said President Trump wasn't right when he said to deny the Holocaust makes you an accomplice in the Evil. You have NO RIGHT to act like I don't know what I am talking about. Every person that tried to prove these Neo Nazi. Holocaust Deniers are wrong were attacked. Even Paca Goat who personally spoke to survivors, and is from Germany was attacked. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT LIVES IN DARKNESS, not me.
antiliberalsociety ago
I don't predict you will reply to this, but (I know nothing of who you are or where your political stances lie) if you saw "truth" you could back it up with a link to some facts, yes? The part that most have trouble with is what they THINK is the truth is only bits of truth sprinkled with lies.
There are important questions to consider when discussing the holocaust.
Why is there no mention of it until the 1970s? The word itself means to die by fire; which would be more accurately applied to Hiroshima or Dresden. If you look in an encyclopedia that's pre 1980, there's no mention of it.
Why are there no authentic wartime documents proving Hitler even knew about Auschwitz? There is a British historian that went into the national archives of several countries and sifted through millions of pages to find the genuine documents, be it communication cables between governments, military leaders, etc. His name is David Irving, and he offered back in the 1980s, 1,000 British Pounds to anyone who could produce an authentic wartime document proving Hitler ordered the liquidation of the Jews, or anything regarding concentration camps being death camps. No one could, instead they resorted to ad hominem and attacked his person and credibility, but he just said that proved him even more right because they feared the truth coming out.
Where are the piles of ashes? Why is it illegal to investigate the death camps? A guy with a ground penetrating radar wanted to find all the mass graves of the missing 6 million. He was denied. So he did it anyway, illegally, and found nothing.
Why is there a placard at Auschwitz stating that the chimney is "a replica"? If someone offered you a "replica" $100 bill for services, would you accept that as genuine?
Why did death camps have swimming pools? They claim they were already there from the Polish military, and they just took them over, but that raises the questions of the auditoriums, tennis ball courts, dentist offices, etc. If they were going to die, and death was the purpose, why did they bother tattooing them? Feeding them? They claim labor, but what did they produce? Where are all the products made from these camps? If the answer is wartime materials like shells and so forth, where did they get the steel/powder/machining equipment, etc.?
It was said in the Ernst Zundel trial that the "survivors" claimed all these things. David Irving went on the stand and was asked why he would defame such heroes who went through all these tragic horrors. His answer was a question; "How many Jews survived the holocaust?" The prosecutor answered, "well, a few thousand? Why?" Then David Irving asked; "Why do we always hear testimony from the same 3-4 survivors? Why don't we ever hear from the other few thousand?"
I'm going to through in some humorous memes asking similar questions:
1 2 3 4 In case you don't get #4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 27 28 29 30 31 32 33 34 35 35 36 37 38 39 40 41 42 43
Bonus: https://i.imgtc.com/aWZ0EcI.jpg
https://i.imgtc.com/FAx1Czv.jpg
If this doesn't intrigue your mind, try v/DavidIrving. Give any of his speeches a listen (have an open mind) and see if you can catch him in a lie somewhere. If you can, please link me to it I'd like to find one.