I know this will be a controversial topic, but as you all know, we’ve been programmed since we were born to believe what we were taught in school. The media and entertainment industry continue to program us.
Us red pilled Patriots do not just believe what we’re told. We’re no longer blind sheep. We do our own research and spread the word. So why not do the same when it comes to the Holocaust?
For over 2 years now, many people on Voat have said that the Holocaust was a lie. I’ve been researching the subject and found an awesome website about it on https://8ch.net/qresearch. I was up late reading this last night, and I am convinced now that we were absolutely lied to. I’m not saying people didn’t die, but the whole story is very different than we’ve been taught to believe.
There are tons of pictures included. It’s a very interesting read no matter what your belief is regarding the Holocaust. So for those of you that are curious, here’s the link...
https://holocaustdeprogrammingcourse.com/
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Dragon40 ago
Utter bullshit.
Blacksmith21 ago
I love how these self-professed "historians" call all media propaganda now (which it largely is), yet don't consider the fact that most of this BS was propaganda then.
Crensch ago
Are you referring to the newspaper articles about 6 million before the war even happened?
Blacksmith21 ago
I'm referring to crap like this: https://files.catbox.moe/z3y3e4.png
It's Great Depression-era Daily Stormer crap. They had propaganda back then, just as they do now. Look at the history of this paper.
The Holocaust happened. Way too many first-person accounts to be a FF, statistically speaking.
It is the motives which are now in question.
We all know that the enemy we fight today is the 4th Reich. The Holocaust was a criminal act of persecution against the Jews for Deep State purposes perpetrated by the 3rd Reich.
History repeats itself. I
think- ago
I think the problem here is that @Crensch and other people who say the holocaust = genocide never happened have a list of arguments that should be responded to in detail; this is what @LauraIngalls wasn't able to do, she only replied in an emotional way, and quoted one Christian eye witness IIRC.
My suggestion would be to postpone the argument, immerse yourself in history books for a couple of months, and then come back, and have that discussion regarding the exact numbers, with a number of sources about how many Jews were killed where in which way.
I.e. instead of just saying that there are many eye witness reports, you might want to quote a couple of them, and link to sources.
I think it would be worth the effort.
Maybe @Crensch can do a list of arguments he has, and you can then come back and discuss these.
I feel this would be helpful for the whole community.
It doesn't matter whether @Crensch spends his spare time online or with fishing and hunting; as long as he has arguments you and others with the same position are not able to discuss in detail, with linked sources, he will be the 'winner' here.
@srayzie @Vindicator
Lauraingalls ago
I don't have time for all that. I know the TRUTH, President Trump knows the TRUTH, Paca Goat who knows survivors of the Holocaust knows the TRUTH. Anyone else that wants to be a Holocaust Denier can look up the history of that subject. I was told by Crensch that these Hitler supporters have been on Voat for years. They try to convert people to their side. I am not interested in being a Neo Nazi. By the way, there are many witnesses I "QUOTED". Obviously YOU didn't notice. And I am "EMOTIONAL" because denying that HORROR IS SICK. SOMEBODY has to CARE.
think- ago
Apologies if I overlooked that.
It's ok to be emotional about it, but you won't win an argument, or convince people reading the thread this way. You will need to quote historians, and their sources.
@srayzie @Vindicator @Blacksmith21
Lauraingalls ago
They need to do their own research. I looked at ALL the upvoats on all the Neo Nazi, Holocaust Deniers comments, and it made me sick. ALSO I have debated people on many subjects in the past. It is a BIG waste of time. Sick people stay SICK. You can't cure it. I noticed Paca Goat and even God's Angel had numerous posts proving that the Holocaust happened and they either got NO voats, or negative ones. People under the influence of SATAN can't be helped,
think- ago
Well, obviously they did 'their own research', this is what they came up with. They won't do you the favour of looking for books, pictures or videos that will support your arguments; you will need to give them that info, if you want to convince anyone.
And you will have to be able to respond to their arguments in detail - when they say people cannnot have been killed in gas chambers with wooden doors, you will have to show that it was possible nevertheless.
It's ok if you don't have the time for it, or don't feel you would like to do it, but then people will just stick to their own sources / videos. It seems that reports by people like @PacaGoat and your eyewitnesses don't suffice to convince them.
You have been here for five months; I have been here for more than two years (nine months as a lurker, and 1,5 years as an active user), I know the Voat community well, and I can tell you that the only thing that will convince people here are valid sources (NB: not saying your witness reports are not valid), and as many of them as possible.
@Crensch @srayzie @Blacksmith21 @Vindicator
PacaGoat ago
We... I do give information for research. However all we get from THEM is copy pasta. Links all expounding the same junk with no proofs others than more copy pasta. Comments 4 pages long and no evidence as I said save for the same discredited and usless garble in each post. If it were only one person ok. But when everyone is posting the same stuff only rearranged its crap. And then put comes the grammer and spelling police. This is how you know they have no argument. It is a tried and true athiest fall back, that is whwre it originated. Ive seen it for ten years. Always the same. Just get under their skin and see what comes out. They alway reveal themselves in the end. And hoss Ive been here for well over a year. Almost 2.
think- ago
I appreciate that, @PacaGoat. I was trying to explain the mindset of many people here. Whatever you might think about the info they found, they believe it is valid. This is why I think it needs to be discussed in detail. I cannot chime in, since I'm not familiar with the academic research on this subject.
All I can say is that I don't doubt that there was a genocide - an intentionally planned genocide -, and I don't doubt that millions of jews were killed. From what I gather, different academic researchers come to different conclusions regarding the exact number anyway.
Imo Hitler was a slimy shitbag with greasy hair who brought war over Europe, and it cracks me up that he and his fellow leading Nazis were all ugly and dark haired, while they promoted the ideal of blue-eyed blondes.
It is obvious that he was a puppet - he was introduced into high society by the members of Thule Society, who were into theosophy, and into the occult. And international bankers financed him, at least some of them (or all of them?) were Jewish.
Himmler admired the Dalai Lama, who has been a CIA asset, and is head of Tibetan Buddhism, a dark left-hand path religion, and some Nazis even visited him in Tibet. He renovated a castle which he intended to turn into the centre for esoteric gatherings, and Michael Aquino, one of the most notorious US satanists, went there a couple of years ago, to do a satanic ritual. He wrote in his autobiography about it.
I don't doubt that the Nazis were sadistic shitbags who enjoyed killing and torturing people, and they were the first who did mind control experiments (although I'm not sure whether Mengele was involved in this, or whether he 'only' did eugenic research).
@srayzie @Vindicator @Crensch @Blacksmith21 @LauraIngalls
PacaGoat ago
Hitler had groomers which was suspected many moons ago. I read his Mien Kaff or however you speil it....when I was in 7th grade. That was some seriously skrewed up goobledigook. There is also or was evidence he was possessed. One thing I have been keeping an eye on for the last well....almkst 20 years, is the missing data and history from the internet. I began to keep an eye out on it after a few trips to the local libraries. Books that were always on the shelves now gone and not replaced. Books I had checked out before. Lots of them. I have seen a massive purge followed by revisionist works.
The eugenic works by Hitlers doctors mirrored Sangers sorks here in the US and others. I am not sure if you are aware of the sterilization programs carried out by doctors here of persons that were deemed to be "undesirables." We are seeing in the demoncrat parth a resurgence of that thinking. Follow the path. I sill get back to you. Wifey calls. Lol
think- ago
I will look up Sangers, thanks. Yes, the NY abortion law sucks.