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Dragon40 ago

Utter bullshit.

Blacksmith21 ago

I love how these self-professed "historians" call all media propaganda now (which it largely is), yet don't consider the fact that most of this BS was propaganda then.

Crensch ago

Are you referring to the newspaper articles about 6 million before the war even happened?

Blacksmith21 ago

I'm referring to crap like this: https://files.catbox.moe/z3y3e4.png

It's Great Depression-era Daily Stormer crap. They had propaganda back then, just as they do now. Look at the history of this paper.

The Holocaust happened. Way too many first-person accounts to be a FF, statistically speaking.

It is the motives which are now in question.

We all know that the enemy we fight today is the 4th Reich. The Holocaust was a criminal act of persecution against the Jews for Deep State purposes perpetrated by the 3rd Reich.

History repeats itself. I

think- ago

Way too many first-person accounts to be a FF, statistically speaking.

I think the problem here is that @Crensch and other people who say the holocaust = genocide never happened have a list of arguments that should be responded to in detail; this is what @LauraIngalls wasn't able to do, she only replied in an emotional way, and quoted one Christian eye witness IIRC.

My suggestion would be to postpone the argument, immerse yourself in history books for a couple of months, and then come back, and have that discussion regarding the exact numbers, with a number of sources about how many Jews were killed where in which way.

I.e. instead of just saying that there are many eye witness reports, you might want to quote a couple of them, and link to sources.

I think it would be worth the effort.

Maybe @Crensch can do a list of arguments he has, and you can then come back and discuss these.

I feel this would be helpful for the whole community.

It doesn't matter whether @Crensch spends his spare time online or with fishing and hunting; as long as he has arguments you and others with the same position are not able to discuss in detail, with linked sources, he will be the 'winner' here.

@srayzie @Vindicator

Lauraingalls ago

I don't have time for all that. I know the TRUTH, President Trump knows the TRUTH, Paca Goat who knows survivors of the Holocaust knows the TRUTH. Anyone else that wants to be a Holocaust Denier can look up the history of that subject. I was told by Crensch that these Hitler supporters have been on Voat for years. They try to convert people to their side. I am not interested in being a Neo Nazi. By the way, there are many witnesses I "QUOTED". Obviously YOU didn't notice. And I am "EMOTIONAL" because denying that HORROR IS SICK. SOMEBODY has to CARE.

think- ago

By the way, there are many witnesses I "QUOTED".

Apologies if I overlooked that.

And I am "EMOTIONAL" because denying that HORROR IS SICK. SOMEBODY has to CARE.

It's ok to be emotional about it, but you won't win an argument, or convince people reading the thread this way. You will need to quote historians, and their sources.

@srayzie @Vindicator @Blacksmith21

srayzie ago

Oh she’s not even willing to look or have an open mind. She keeps insinuating that we are denying it. I am NOT denying it. There is a lot we were not taught tho!

She told me she does NOT want to see anyone’s evidence and told me and @Bopper to not push this BULLSHIT on her and we said ok.

She dishes it out but can’t take it even people QUOTE something that is different than what she’s been taught her whole life.

@Think- @Vindicator

Vindicator ago

That is a normal reaction to cognitive dissonance. It's not surprising @LauraIngalls can't engage the topic. We've all been there.

I haven't read all the 700+ comments here yet, but I doubt anyone is saying "it didn't happen." More like "it didn't happen the way you've been told." My sense is that they're convinced it is the biggest psyop of all time, perpetrated and enforced with draconian censorship, brainwashing and demonization of doubters, and therefore it demands investigation, debate and reevaluation.

  • I would ask, if everything is just like we were taught, why is it illegal to discuss in Europe?
  • Why does questioning it and pointing out inconsistencies in the US get you ostracized?
  • If Voat was such a sick and "Satanic" lost place, why is it the only place we were allowed to investigate globalist corruption without censorship?
  • And why, of all things, would QAnon send all his normie Reddit fans here like sheep to the slaughter?

That question should really create cognitive dissonance. Instead of lashing out and running away, we should take a deep breath, pour ourselves a stiff drink, and humbly ask ourselves how awakened we really are.

Those who are Christian have no need to fear discovering whatever the truth really is. The truth is what brings all to freedom. As St. Paul said, "Put all things to the test: keep what is Good." 1 Thessalonians 5:21

Lauraingalls ago

There is NO NEED to personally attack me. I can engage a topic. I know the TRUTH. And if you do READ the comments PLENTY of people denied the Holocaust happened, smarty pants. You act like a liberal with your personal attack. They even said President Trump wasn't right when he said to deny the Holocaust makes you an accomplice in the Evil. You have NO RIGHT to act like I don't know what I am talking about. Every person that tried to prove these Neo Nazi. Holocaust Deniers are wrong were attacked. Even Paca Goat who personally spoke to survivors, and is from Germany was attacked. YOU ARE THE ONE THAT LIVES IN DARKNESS, not me.

Vindicator ago

You act like a liberal with your personal attack.

Uhh...did you actually read my comment? It wasn't personal and it wasn't an attack. :-)

srayzie ago

You’re a fricken liberal Vindicator! 😂
Don’t deny it!

bopper ago

lol oh my goodness

srayzie ago

@Vindicator is a feminist 😂

Vindicator ago

I've been accused of a lot here on Voat, but that is a first!

The worst thing about feminism is there is nothing feminine about it. :-(

srayzie ago

Hahaha. Just playing with you xo