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thewebofslime ago

They already put a 24 hour warning for deletion due to lack of "clarity" despite being the longest, most well sourced post in the sub's history.

Vindicator ago

Yes, WoS, you can't just dump massive piles of links and pics of links into a submission and claim it's a great post. We've been spammed with similar long, link-riddled posts from the earliest days of the sub compliments of David Brock, designed to lead researchers down dead end rabbit holes. You need to put together a coherent piece that ties all of it's links together, explaining what each one is and how it connects. That's what the v/pizzagate ruleset is about. There are a million other subverses on Voat you can dump your hoard of data into.

thewebofslime ago

I don't claim it is great.

I claim it is the longest and most complete ever posted in the subverse. I would be curious if you had a better example. It still doesn't include everything. Silsby... etc.

I posted it because I was asked to, even though I knew it was going to be a headache.

As far as a "great post" I absolutely didn't want to include triplicate ways to view the same material. For that reason, it is a bit of a headache, but the rules are what make it appear hectic, because I have to explain every single link not just the three times they are all already explained, but again inside the post.

It is an architectural problem.

So, if I wanted to put something nice together, what would you recommend?

Vindicator ago

So, if I wanted to put something nice together, what would you recommend?

Respect the limitations of the medium. Make focused, individual submissions, and crosslink them where relevant to other focused, individual submissions. How is it that everyone else who posts seems willing and able to do this, except you?

thewebofslime ago

I edited the post three times. I'm trying.

Here's the thing, in the timing surrounding your shitty response, my website was attacked.

What do you really think I am after? I am after determining if /v/Pizzagate is operating as a limited hangout. The format is designed intentionally to operate as such and you may just be a pawn, but your recent interactions have raised some serious concerns. Because you raise the possibility you are a shill covering for a criminal conspiracy, I have archived everything I could on you on the Internet and I will be comparing it to my logs.

So, you accused me of being a shill, but I have a little mini RICO database of shills that I will "thot audit." I have a couple of lawyers going over what I've got and a computer science professor from the UC system to provide expert insight.

Am I going to find an IP in my logs that connects your Twitter geolocation tags?

Maybe. Maybe not. You are but one.

Do you understand where I am really coming from?

I've been providing /v/Pizzagate with honesty traps for two years and they always fail.

You made up a completely false interpretation of the spam rules to target my content. That doesn't sit well with me.

Seriously. Do I need to thot audit you? If you don't provide me with some kind of explanation of your behavior, you go straight to the top of the list past the /r/politics mods. I'm not kidding around.

shewhomustbeobeyed ago

WTF is going on. Are you the one who has 'botted' me?

I know you've had trouble submitting, but do you really think that @Vindicator is responsible for the tech problems you are experiencing?

@MadWorld

Vindicator ago

Interestingly, this "hacking" he appears to be accusing me of is the same type of BS Jem777 claimed -- that I had doxed her through her IP and sent thugs to her house to beat her up.

shewhomustbeobeyed ago

Interestingly, this "hacking" he appears to be accusing me of is the same type of BS Jem777 claimed

I sincerely hope not. I tend to believe that someone could want to mess with @thewebofslime, more than I would ever believe anything from Jem777

I do not approve of issuing threats to PG mods. Especially without proof of suspicions.

@MadWorld

thewebofslime ago

  1. The timing is what alerted me.

  2. Matching locations are what alerted me.

  3. The person who had the bad interaction also accused me of being a David Brock shill... you know how realistic that accusation is. I consider it "projection."

I feel like I have something real, but I am having someone who knows a lot more than me go over it.

At this stage, @Vindicator acted inappropriately, which is a sudden change in his behavior, made wild accusations, made up fake interpretations of rules, which coincided with the beginning of low level attacks from not so hidden locations. Then, the attacks became more sophisticated and widespread.

It is a very strange coincidence that these two interactions started within minutes of each other.

Vindicator ago

Links to evidence of ANY of these things, or you are full of shit.

thewebofslime ago

If you give me a minute to respond, I will address it in the correct thread. Right now, you are hitting me up in three different threads when I made a single one to hash this out.

Vindicator ago

Right now, you are hitting me up in three different threads when I made a single one to hash this out.

Nice projection, there Slime. I've made ZERO submissions. Those were all made by you. In this thread, in GreatAwakening, you claimed v/pizzagate was censoring you when all we did was attempt to administer the rules consistently. I am not "hitting you up". I responded to your claims in three different submissions that YOU made.

thewebofslime ago

I made the submission in my subverse to publicly discuss your behavior, if you so choose to participate.

I made the protectvoat submission to gain an understanding of precedent.

And yeah... if you don't like people calling you out when you insult others, then don't insult them. I am totally happy to mix it up, but I've got a higher purpose, right now.

If you want top exchange insults later... go for it.

But you are super emotional and hitting me up constantly while I am trying to find links that you asked for.

Maybe wait for what I present, then respond. I'm trying to give you what you are asking for.

If you want to continue to be emotional about it, that is fine. I've been nothing but cooperative since I was ASKED to post in /v/Pizzagate, then was cooperative and polite when changes were recommended.

So, if you have nothing to hide, you should have no problem waiting for me to provide what is asked.

Remember when I said... If you are feeling pressure, it is merely because I am trying to pressure the entire world into knowing about Pizzagate.

Remember how I talk about systems psychodynamics and activating neurochemsitry to manipulate people? I've done exactly that to you in a response to what I perceive as a threat.

When I'm exchanging insults, I am doing it to according to systems psychodyanmics so that I can learn motivation. I am absolutely responsible for your emotional state right now because I made intentional moves to reveal your intentionality.

I do it all the time. you've seen me do it. You pressed me and you learned that I can press back a lot harder.

This time, though, I'm doing it with a few extra sets of eyes from people who laugh at Pizzagate.

I expected a response when I posted that thread because of the corruption it exposes and I was ready on all fronts to study the response. It's what I do and I've explained that over and over again and I've explained how I do it.

I have manipulated into an excited emotional state to test you and reveal your true motives to determine whether or not I have to spend possibly days of my time and other people's time ruling you out as a suspect.

Vindicator ago

The only one emotional here is you, Slime. This is just another attack of thousands I've been through. Boooooring. You're not even being clever about it.

I am doing it to according to systems psychodyanmics so that I can learn motivation. I am absolutely responsible for your emotional state right now because I made intentional moves to reveal your intentionality.

LMAO. So what you're saying is, you spent a lot of money on a fancy degree, so you could become a legend in your own mind.

This time, though, I'm doing it with a few extra sets of eyes from people who laugh at Pizzagate.

Ah...so you work with people who laugh at Pizzagate. How telling! :-)

I have manipulated you into an excited emotional state to test you and reveal your true motives to determine whether or not I have to spend possibly days of my time and other people's time ruling you out as a suspect.

@srayzie @Crensch @kevdude -- Doesn't this sound like that retard LARPing as the Q Continuum that was trying to put you on trial a while back?

srayzie ago

When he said “lawyer”, I thought the same thing.

argosciv ago

Late to the party, caught up on some of this...

This is some of the LARPiest shit I've seen in a while. The only plausible part is the logs, but, short of at least a screenshot, anyone with enough knowledge can fake it in raw text form and attach a host of claims as to the source of the alleged attacks.

Assuming the logs are real, well, it seems that WoS here does indeed monitor the site logs to track ip addresses - go figure...

Now, all the suspicious shit aside, let's address the best possible case; that WoS is just conflating timing:

No, wait, sorry, I can't even play Devil's Advocate here.

WoS is basically claiming to have the ability to compare ip addresses from his logs, with twitter geolocation data and from there, determine that @Vindicator must be attacking his site.

Well first of all, garbage. Vindicator (forgive me) sure as shit doesn't strike me as privy enough to enact the attacks that the so-called logs allege, neither does any other mod bar maybe @Crensch, but even that's a guess because I've never seen him even remotely hint at intimate knowledge of 'hacking'(for a loose but applicable term).

I'm calling absolute bullshit on the lot, pending irrefutable evidence of the logs' existence and authenticity and even then, the language used is a dead give away for a LARPer using 'big words' to come across as intelligent while relying on intimidation tactics to evoke a particular response and then capitalize on that to attack the character of the respondent(s).

These behaviors match any number of confirmed shills, but of course, by making the claim that he's already been called a shill, he can just turn around and say "SEE! YOU IZ CALL ME SHILL! HOW DARE YOU!".

 

So y'know what @thewebofslime, cut the shitty little LARP. We all know that even if your site is legitimately being attacked, it has absolutely nothing to do with the mods over at v/pizzagate.

It is far more likely, assuming for even a moment that you're legit, that your content and the fact that you host your own website has attracted the attention of actual shills who are capitalizing on the heated exchange to drive up paranoia and division.

If you're as legit and knowledgeable as you play yourself up to be, put your big boy pants on and look at the situation objectively rather than jumping to conclusions and threats - again, assuming that you don't have malicious intent behind this bluster of yours.

 

If you're wondering why the seemingly shitty response from me, understand that I am sick to fucking death of having to put time into looking into shit like this.

Fuck your LARP/tantrum, it's one or the other, because you're certainly wrong as fuck to be levying these accusations at v/pizzagate mods.

@MadWorld @shewhomustbeobeyed

(sorry for the repost folks, fucked the ping for TWOS)

thewebofslime ago

I feel like you maybe didn't read my explanation:

https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/3122773/17683806

You claimed my text post violated this rule:

If majority of the links you submit are to sites you are associated with, your domains may be globally banned from Voat. To be on the safe side, if you submit 10 links to various subverses on Voat, at most 5 of the 10 submitted links may be to the sites you are associated with.

/v/Pizzagate DOES NOT ALLOW LINK POSTS

I submitted a text post.

You said my post was/included:

Useless self-aggrandizement.

massive, baffle-with-bullshit posts.

You said this within minutes of the first attack ever on my site. Generally, it is completely ignored and has had maybe a couple of hundred visitors. I don't show up in Google for most people. My domain is autobanned on reddit.

You then said:

We've been spammed with similar long, link-riddled posts from the earliest days of the sub compliments of David Brock, designed to lead researchers down dead end rabbit holes.

I can tell some of you, based on your posting history, who comes to my site and all the referrals are from voat. I even believe @think- is on my site, right now, for example.

This is how few suspects there are:

https://i.imgur.com/N3rto6v.pngPNG

My site has barely any traffic. The last day is 33% of my hits from all time from the one post.

The attacks include a standard list of drop table injections and other injections, as well as bash attacks, wordpress attacks... basically everything someone can throw at it, followed by a DDOS:

ModSecurity. Pattern match "^Mozilla/5.0 \(Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:40.0\) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/40.1$" at REQUEST_HEADERS:User-Agent. [] [] [] [msg "Malicious Bot UA"] [hostname "webofslime.com"] [uri "/wp-login.php"] [unique_id "XJtkc2vY4UbR9srnW4ECGAAAAAo"]

ModSecurity. Pattern match "^Mozilla/5.0 \(Windows NT 6.1; WOW64; rv:40.0\) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/40.1$" at REQUEST_HEADERS:User-Agent. [] [] [] [msg "Malicious Bot UA"] [hostname "webofslime.com"] [uri "/wp-login.php"] [unique_id "XJtuQzKiaWNVJSoqTyWAlQAAAAQ"]

The logs are massive, but you can see that on some of the basic attacks, we are given a great deal of information about the source of the attack; the device, the operating system, etc.

So, if a person who visited my site from /v/pizzagate has the same OS, Device, etc, also has the same listed in the credentials of the first attacks, we can further narrow down the list of likely suspects.

Personally, I don't make any attempt to track. This is Google doing this to you. I could implement a much more detailed tracking of visitors, if I wanted to, but I really don't want to do that to people. But whoever scanned my site probably noticed that I don't really have any kind of back end and likely thought that my knowledge was limited, rather than just trying to keep it simple and safe.

My next step is to confirm any location data I can find from people who came to my site. That merely means running all of your usernames through my database which is huge.

https://www.troyhunt.com/the-773-million-record-collection-1-data-reach/

That is Collection #1. Everyone you and I know are in it.

I have all of the Collections.

https://www.intego.com/mac-security-blog/collection-1-and-2-5-are-the-latest-massive-password-dumps/

Plus, I have the dot govs hack:

https://www.nextgov.com/analytics-data/2015/12/why-federal-government-tracks-who-visits-dot-gov-sites/124428/

Plus, I automatically database (without my intervention) thousands of articles. It comes out like this:

https://i.imgur.com/qb83yX0.pngPNG

Plus, if I visit a page, it all gets scraped and added to a database.

Then, I can run a query on terabytes of information for your usernames which can reveal passwords and ALL KINDS OF STUFF. Birthdays, Locations, etc.

I am not even that good at it. I'm not even a programmer. I'm just a hard-headed problem solver. Imagine what the people at the NSA can do. One lesson is that none of your online data is safe.

So, right now, I am comparing evidence and I will get help analyzing it to present results, so I don't talk out of my ass.

However, you can all understand that I am looking hard at literally the only person who was giving me hard time in that moment, who might be at a similar location (IPs only go to the ISP, generally) with a similar browser, OS, etc.

Does that make sense? I've literally been telling everyone this is how I operate since day 1. I've offered to share my database. I've offered to help others start databases or feeds. Not a single person has been interested in using this information to help expose corruption. So, I carry on as one person. I am not affiliated to anyone. I am not claiming to be an insider. I have repeatedly stated this and proved this. My three years of posting speaks for itself.

@Vindicator responded to this post by calling me a LARP.

I think it is also interesting to note that the attacks stopped as soon as I made the accusation.

argosciv ago

I'm already annoyed as fuck by this, don't give me a wall of shit that opens with assuming I haven't already looked at a large portion of the already existing wall of shit.

If you fucking read what I said, you'll determine that I already saw your raw-text logs which can easily be faked; as can your claim that the so-called attacks 'stopped' after you made the accusation(s) - so you're not helping your case at all as at absolute best it does no better than to put things at a 50/50 split between the possibility of:

  • The attacks are legit but still certainly not from PG mods.

OR

  • The 'attacks' are not even legit, you have full control of the situation and are manufacturing the whole thing out of malicious or just plain petulant intent.

You strike me as a LARP based on your manipulative use of language and intimidation tactics which do indeed remind me of several confirmed shills.

My next step is to confirm any location data I can find from people who came to my site. That merely means running all of your usernames through my database which is huge.

Too bad, I've never been to your site and have no fucking intention to based on your bloviation and other behaviors. You're all but confirmed as a LARPing honeypot as far as I'm concerned - I'm not certain, of course, but everything indicates that you're full of shit and now even trying your intimidation tactics on me. Not hard to play yourself up as some 'good guy' researcher only to provide cover for truly malicious intent, you wouldn't be the first though you would rank among the biggest try-hards.

thewebofslime ago

Maybe tone it down a bit so I can get through what you wrote.

What am I pretending? What evidence would you like to see that shows I am not pretending?

What are you suggesting my motivations are?