But isn’t appearing more and more like Pence was thrust upon Trump by Rancid and the RNC in the same manner Poppy was pushed onto Reagan. A little too eerily similar for my liking. Reagan gets shot, Trump has multiple assasination attempts. There are no coincidences.
Pence is forced on Trump. He is the puppet. He plays a role. He does not get his hands dirty in the initial push, as he must appear to be " surprised" , reluctantly accepting such a change. Other within the Cabinet (back then) might freely get up on the bandwagon. That is why Rosenstein is said to have at least two of the principal cabinet members in on this plot.
Section 1. In case of the removal of the President from office or of his death or resignation, the Vice President shall become President.
The next question would be: who would then become Vice President? Probably also someone who is in the bag.
Section 2. Whenever there is a vacancy in the office of the Vice President, the President shall nominate a Vice President who shall take office upon confirmation by a majority vote of both Houses of Congress.
The meat is in here:
Section 4. Whenever** the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive departments** or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall immediately assume the powers and duties of the office as Acting President.
Thereafter, when the President transmits to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives his written declaration that no inability exists, he shall resume the powers and duties of his office unless the Vice President and a majority of either the principal officers of the executive department or of such other body as Congress may by law provide, transmit within four days to the President pro tempore of the Senate and the Speaker of the House of Representatives their written declaration that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office.** Thereupon Congress shall decide the issue**, assembling within forty-eight hours for that purpose if not in session. If the Congress, within twenty-one days after receipt of the latter written declaration, or, if Congress is not in session, within twenty-one days after Congress is required to assemble, determines by two-thirds vote of both Houses that the President is unable to discharge the powers and duties of his office, the Vice President shall continue to discharge the same as Acting President; otherwise, the President shall resume the powers and duties of his office.
Unable declaration by the coupe players. Able declaration by the president. -> unable declaration by the coup players -> Congress decides with 2/3 rds of both houses.
Again we have Rosenstein allegedly having already at least 2 Cabinet members in there.
There is a list of people to look for:
1.Secretary of State
2.Secretary of the Treasury
3.Secretary of Defense
4.Attorney General
5.Secretary of the Interior
6.Secretary of Agriculture
7.Secretary of Commerce
8.Secretary of Labor
9.Secretary of Health and Human Services
10.Secretary of Housing and Urban Development
11.Secretary of Transportation
12.Secretary of Energy
13.Secretary of Education
14.Secretary of Veterans Affairs
15.Secretary of Homeland Security
So , since the deps are 15, you would need 8 + the VP eventually signing the declaration.
@1
Tom Shannon Acting Minnesota January 20, 2017 February 1, 2017
Rex Tillerson Texas February 1, 2017 March 31, 2018
John J. Sullivan Acting Massachusetts April 1, 2018 April 26, 2018
John F. Kelly Massachusetts January 20, 2017 July 31, 2017
Elaine Duke Ohio July 31, 2017 December 6, 2017
Kirstjen Nielsen Florida December 6, 2017
Timeframe.
As the NY times on 21 september 2018 so strategically described: Spring 2017 was the time when Rod Rosenstein made the suggestion of invoking 25th. It is interesting to do a google search with these words: rod Rosenstein 25th wire. There is nothing on first and second view that is related to McCabe ......
Since it follows the firing of Comey and 8 days thereafter .... this would indicate May 9, 2017 to May 17th ......
Read the list above. IF, and that still is a big IF, Rosenstein had at least 2 in the pocket for a coupe de palais, I would expect the list to indicate certain alterations under the guise of a reason where, in the remaining time between the attempt and the removal, the person was controlled.
Q 3 @ 29-10-2017:
Open your eyes.
It finally came out that Rod/Bob were key players in the Uranium scandal.
Q8:
AG Sessions on leakers.
Fire or prosecute?
Reorg is underway and happening.
My observation: Note the surge in: he/ she neglected to listen to career officials ...(= SES - pool, of which 7000 made it from Obama into Trump admin). So, who do not like: reorg? .....
Q10:
Again, good people were forced into bed with this evil under personal and family threats. Could you live with yourself helping to cover up such evil despicable acts if given a safe way out?
Q23:
Trump nominated someone new to direct every agency but one. He controls the top.
So ..... if hearsay : Maccabe told me that Rosenstein has said to have 2 Cabinet members on the bandwagon for a coup ...... Rosenstein got made and played?
Why did Rachel Brand step down and fled to Walmart?
Like someone said, they would need Pence to undertake a coup. Sessions was loyal to Trump. If he was going to undermine Trump’s presidency, he wouldn’t have been steadfastly loyal on the campaign. Trump was forced to take Pence and Tillerson. Those 2 are my bet.
My money is on Tillerson and Pence. Trump wanted Kelly as VP, but had to take Pence and some other Establishment Republicans for his cabinet or they were threatening to run a third party candidate and give the win to Hillary.
Without VP buy-in, you can't do a 25th amendment.
Kelly was sacrificed to Mueller by the DS. I think he came with Rogers.
Best VP would be Rand Paul. He has consistently fought the good fight and has had POTUS back from the start. He would be ideal candidate to succeed Trump in 2024.
Rand Paul is the swamp. He turned his back on conservatives and libertarians by throwing his weight behind Mitch McConnell as he was about to lose his primary to a conservative. Mitch immediately sandbagged us by refusing to do anything about Obamacare when we had the chance. Rand makes political stances when his vote doesn’t matter, when it does he accepts pork for his vote just like the rest of them. He is a two faced liar. Rand is as manipulative and power hungry as his masters Boehner and McConnell. I love what Rand says in public, but his support of the Washington establishment and quest for personal political gain over principle is a major red flag.
We would not have Obama care if it weren’t for Rand Paul.
never know. if he did not recuse, there wouldn't be mueller. optics in overthrowing the president? Muelller investigation consumed a lot of the president attention, was a huge threat personally to the president. if it was not the resilience of Trump, many other presidents would just simply quit.
Thanks. My intent was to get educated on who it might be and this will hopefully provide lots of discussion and rationale as well as provide information to everyone.
After reading most of the discussion, my bets are on Pence and Tillerson.
I just posted a recent video on who is at GITMO & why they are there in custody. Most of the video pertains to child abuse. It is a tough video to get through, but very interesting. As a word of caution, this may not be true, but it lines up with what we know at this time.
momgrizz ago
I'm pretty positive on Tillerson, not sure about the other
Basballdude ago
I think he’s definitely one most everyone agrees is one of them.
time3times ago
Not Pence. Not Sessions.
McMaster and ?
redtoe_skipper ago
Pence would be the beneficiary...... Therefore, he cannot be the one part of the initial push for removal. Others mentioned, may.
Basballdude ago
But isn’t appearing more and more like Pence was thrust upon Trump by Rancid and the RNC in the same manner Poppy was pushed onto Reagan. A little too eerily similar for my liking. Reagan gets shot, Trump has multiple assasination attempts. There are no coincidences.
redtoe_skipper ago
Agreed.
To expound on it:
Pence is forced on Trump. He is the puppet. He plays a role. He does not get his hands dirty in the initial push, as he must appear to be " surprised" , reluctantly accepting such a change. Other within the Cabinet (back then) might freely get up on the bandwagon. That is why Rosenstein is said to have at least two of the principal cabinet members in on this plot.
The next question would be: who would then become Vice President? Probably also someone who is in the bag.
The meat is in here:
Unable declaration by the coupe players. Able declaration by the president. -> unable declaration by the coup players -> Congress decides with 2/3 rds of both houses.
Again we have Rosenstein allegedly having already at least 2 Cabinet members in there.
There is a list of people to look for:
So , since the deps are 15, you would need 8 + the VP eventually signing the declaration. @1
Tom Shannon Acting Minnesota January 20, 2017 February 1, 2017
Rex Tillerson Texas February 1, 2017 March 31, 2018
John J. Sullivan Acting Massachusetts April 1, 2018 April 26, 2018
Mike Pompeo Kansas April 26, 2018
@2:
Adam J. Szubin Acting Washington, D.C. January 20, 2017 February 13, 2017
Steven T. Mnuchin California February 13, 2017 Incumbent
@3: Jim Mattis Washington January 20, 2017[59] December 31, 2018
@4
Dana Boente Acting Virginia January 30, 2017 February 9, 2017
Jeff Sessions Alabama February 9, 2017 November 7, 2018
Matthew Whitaker Acting Iowa November 7, 2018 February 14, 2019
William Barr Virginia February 14, 2019
@5
Ryan Zinke Montana March 1, 2017 January 2, 2019
David Bernhardt Acting Virginia January 2, 2019
@6:
Sonny Perdue Georgia April 25, 2017
@7:
Wilbur Ross Florida February 28, 2017
@8:
Alex Acosta Florida April 28, 2017
@9:
Norris Cochran January 20, 2017 February 10, 2017
Tom Price Georgia February 10, 2017 September 29, 2017
Don J. Wright Virginia September 29, 2017 October 10, 2017
Eric Hargan Illinois October 10, 2017 January 29, 2018
Alex Azar Indiana January 29, 2018
@10:
Ben Carson Florida March 2, 2017
@11:
Elaine Chao Kentucky January 31, 2017
@12:
Rick Perry Texas March 2, 2017
@13:
Phil Rosenfelt Acting Virginia January 20, 2017 February 7, 2017
Betsy DeVos Michigan February 7, 2017
@14:
Robert Snyder Acting West Virginia January 20, 2017 February 14, 2017
David Shulkin Pennsylvania February 14, 2017 March 28, 2018
Robert Wilkie Acting North Carolina March 28, 2018 May 29, 2018
Peter O'Rourke Acting Virginia May 29, 2018 July 30, 2018
Robert Wilkie North Carolina July 30, 2018
@15:
John F. Kelly Massachusetts January 20, 2017 July 31, 2017 Elaine Duke Ohio July 31, 2017 December 6, 2017 Kirstjen Nielsen Florida December 6, 2017
Timeframe.
As the NY times on 21 september 2018 so strategically described: Spring 2017 was the time when Rod Rosenstein made the suggestion of invoking 25th. It is interesting to do a google search with these words: rod Rosenstein 25th wire. There is nothing on first and second view that is related to McCabe ......
Since it follows the firing of Comey and 8 days thereafter .... this would indicate May 9, 2017 to May 17th ......
Read the list above. IF, and that still is a big IF, Rosenstein had at least 2 in the pocket for a coupe de palais, I would expect the list to indicate certain alterations under the guise of a reason where, in the remaining time between the attempt and the removal, the person was controlled.
Q 3 @ 29-10-2017:
Open your eyes.
It finally came out that Rod/Bob were key players in the Uranium scandal.
Q8:
AG Sessions on leakers.
Fire or prosecute?
Reorg is underway and happening.
My observation: Note the surge in: he/ she neglected to listen to career officials ...(= SES - pool, of which 7000 made it from Obama into Trump admin). So, who do not like: reorg? .....
Q10:
Again, good people were forced into bed with this evil under personal and family threats. Could you live with yourself helping to cover up such evil despicable acts if given a safe way out?
Q23:
Trump nominated someone new to direct every agency but one. He controls the top.
So ..... if hearsay : Maccabe told me that Rosenstein has said to have 2 Cabinet members on the bandwagon for a coup ...... Rosenstein got made and played?
Why did Rachel Brand step down and fled to Walmart?
Basballdude ago
This my friends is why I started the thread! Outstanding!
Thank you
jtreddit ago
DOJ gives special counsel internal docs on proposed Sessions resignation, Sessions submitted resignation, but Trump just had a second thought.
https://abcnews.go.com/US/doj-special-counsel-internal-docs-sessions-resignation/story?id=52721241
DammitMan ago
Like someone said, they would need Pence to undertake a coup. Sessions was loyal to Trump. If he was going to undermine Trump’s presidency, he wouldn’t have been steadfastly loyal on the campaign. Trump was forced to take Pence and Tillerson. Those 2 are my bet.
BoraxTheFungarian ago
OH MAN! I should buy stock in popcorn...
telleveryoneyouknow ago
Whichever two has the most leverage against them? Who is the swampiest swamp rat?
Rocky_Bindhamer ago
My money is on Tillerson and Pence. Trump wanted Kelly as VP, but had to take Pence and some other Establishment Republicans for his cabinet or they were threatening to run a third party candidate and give the win to Hillary.
Without VP buy-in, you can't do a 25th amendment.
Kelly was sacrificed to Mueller by the DS. I think he came with Rogers.
Basballdude ago
Excellent analysis and more importantly, thank you for your service!
Rocky_Bindhamer ago
You're most welcome.
Wanderfar ago
Best VP would be Rand Paul. He has consistently fought the good fight and has had POTUS back from the start. He would be ideal candidate to succeed Trump in 2024.
Steelerfish ago
Rand Paul is the swamp. He turned his back on conservatives and libertarians by throwing his weight behind Mitch McConnell as he was about to lose his primary to a conservative. Mitch immediately sandbagged us by refusing to do anything about Obamacare when we had the chance. Rand makes political stances when his vote doesn’t matter, when it does he accepts pork for his vote just like the rest of them. He is a two faced liar. Rand is as manipulative and power hungry as his masters Boehner and McConnell. I love what Rand says in public, but his support of the Washington establishment and quest for personal political gain over principle is a major red flag. We would not have Obama care if it weren’t for Rand Paul.
blueskywins ago
You could say the same about Cruz.
Truther65 ago
Tillerson for sure and then maybe McMaster or Pence.
mrpapagiorgio ago
I don't even have to guess. Who's is or has been on the "Council of foreign relations"?
GloriousDestiny ago
Pence and Kelly
Carltilders ago
Pense and Rex
KillerKap ago
Sessions and Kelly
http://time.com/5203216/trump-sessions-timeline/
DammitMan ago
Trump and Sessions were publicly sparring for optics. Sessions was performing his job admirably. No, it wasn’t Sessions.
Basballdude ago
Agreed!
jtreddit ago
never know. if he did not recuse, there wouldn't be mueller. optics in overthrowing the president? Muelller investigation consumed a lot of the president attention, was a huge threat personally to the president. if it was not the resilience of Trump, many other presidents would just simply quit.
SaveOurGrandChildren ago
Great post title.
Basballdude ago
Thanks. My intent was to get educated on who it might be and this will hopefully provide lots of discussion and rationale as well as provide information to everyone.
After reading most of the discussion, my bets are on Pence and Tillerson.
SaveOurGrandChildren ago
I just posted a recent video on who is at GITMO & why they are there in custody. Most of the video pertains to child abuse. It is a tough video to get through, but very interesting. As a word of caution, this may not be true, but it lines up with what we know at this time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2VJVhz6yatI
Basballdude ago
It’s your video?
SaveOurGrandChildren ago
Don't spend your time on research. Other Qanons noted the barges weren't current photos.
What is a big long thread expense? This is the first I heard of it. Thanks!
Basballdude ago
I meant I didn’t want to expand the thread further.
Oh crap, I just expanded it again. 😉
SaveOurGrandChildren ago
You have a wonderful sense of humor.
Basballdude ago
Well if we get too uptight, we become a democrat... I ain’t going down that road.
God Bless and WWG1WGA
Akumallover1971 ago
Tillerson and McMaster
BillyRigby ago
Reince Priebus Rex Tillerson would be my guess
Basballdude ago
Those were my choices as well, but with the funeral envelopes and this discussion thread, I’m on the Pence traitor bandwagon now.
Basballdude ago
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/former-top-fbi-lawyer-2-trump-cabinet-officials-were-ready-to-support-25th-amendment-effort