This rebuttal was hidden behind a "replies" button where few would ever see it. I wanted to give DickTick's point of view the light of day. It speaks to WHY Q and POTUS speak, as the other commenter DickTick is replying to said, "in riddles."
Also, a quick rebuttal to your whole "What leader talks in riddles?".... Well look at the world at this very moment... When you have entire populations ranging from the rich western world to the poorest countries in Africa having their education gutted so the people will be dumbed down and complacent enough to be content and happy being not only spoon-fed, but force-fed, whatever information and whatever narrative suits the need at that particular moment, it's going to take something radical to even begin to break that cycle. If you were going to start a task force that will be at the helm of attempting to take down such an organization you would most certainly try to appoint somebody extremely creative to start the process of figuring out how to de-program enough of the population, in the entire world, to actually be effective and have any chance have winning long-term.
The way Q talks to us is very selective and purposeful. They started out giving facts that we would only later find out had truth to them, but it was enough to make long time truth seekers and true believers hang around and just enough to allow wandering outsiders forget about us for a while, which gave him time to implement the second part - The Great Awakening.
Say you're at the point in this operation where you're ready to start communicating with the masses through anonymous message boards filled to the brim with a mix of a bunch of seemingly strange people with a never ending supply of illegal activities and questionable morality, while in reality, like most things in life, those listed above are the loud minorities. The overwhelming majority of the people you're attempting to communicate with those first few months are extremely intelligent, extremely able body, extremely able minded individuals with a passion for this country, their president that they helped get elected, and waking others up. You already know this fact because a group out of the millions of people on these messaging boards slowly crept up out of the woodwork and actually helped elect a man, that supposedly had a 2% or less chance of winning, to the presidency of the United States of America. You only need to figure out a way to set a timeline in which you slowly and carefully wake up enough of them. You give them enough information to be able to start a perpetual machine of research, connecting dots, and exposing people, with most important of those to wake others up along the way. As you have seen with your own eyes, right or wrong - real or fake, the methodology works.
Now, the obvious reason for not just saying everything in plain words is because if this person/people really do work for the government, like they claim, then I'm pretty sure you understand how illegal that would be. Have a, I'm sure they skirt those laws all of the time.. So what better way to kill multiple real birds with one huge theoretical stone than to skirt right in the gray area of legality, concerning election laws and some potentially classified information, while also trying to reprogram literally millions of people that were almost all indoctrinated into the [sheep], dull and numb, education system over the last fifty or sixty years, than to use a system of peaking curiosity and garnering research that has been very well documented and used for around 2,300+ years?? -- The Socratic Method. Check it out, look it up. This is a perfect example of one of the many ways you can use the Socratic method.
Now of course there are going to be straight up weirdos and odd balls in any movement like this. Much like there are plenty of people on the left that really are absolutely insane and straight up sheep that any side can see, but there are also people on the left, that I personally know, that are really good people and honestly don't know half the shit the left or right is doing at any given moment because they stay away from most mainstream media, whether intentional or not. In most cases the group of people from both sides of this battle that I know personally are the way they are simply from geographical/situational, or otherwise outside, motivations... So too are we going to have our fair share of fringe conspiracy theorist who really do nothing but grab at their foreal random straws or purposely push their bunched-together bullshit straws onto everyone else under a distinct agenda.. Once again, it's just like anything else in life, you almost always have to dig through a city of bullshit to find the little nugget of gold...
Everyone from both sides is also inevitably going to have to deal with paid opposition because there is way too much power and influence that comes with money. So of course people from all sides are going to use that money to their advantage, in our case it means that you're going to have people attack your movement from every side, including the inside. It just so happens that both sides of this movement lend themselves pretty easily to being infiltrated and, as long as those fringe infiltrators make sure they scream the loudest, it makes the entire bunch seem like lunacy from top to bottom, aannnddddd again, it's just like most things in human life throughout human history carried out just on varying scales.
Even if you're not a paid shill, which I really don't think you are obviously, you're still spending an awful lot of time attempting to break our morale and/or disprove a movement that is supposedly nothing more than a fat kid in his mom's basement with a computer, who also must be a savant considering all the sheer amount of information you would have to either constantly look up on a moment's notice or already have knowledge of. Anyone, from either side, who has actually read through every single drop would know that it would be impossible for anyone to pull this off just for funzies. I have *implored many doubters to attempt to start something like this on their own in any shape form or fashion. Obviously it would never get as big as this because it would, in fact, be made-up bullshit for funzies, but nonetheless, even a micron of the same amount of followers and attention would quickly shut me up and prove "just how easy this would all be to pull on unsuspecting and gullible /pol/acks just itching for something like this to come along"
Just thought I would shed a tiny portion of light on what is obviously a very dark world for you. Of course you'll probably just shoot everything I just said down even though most of it is verifiable with your own eyes and actually using the critical thinking, like the Socratic method is intended to persuade out of individuals at their own behest... But that doesn't make it any less true. Another thought that I found very poignant about all of this - I would bet the entire outcome of this war on the notion that all of the people, like you, who are against us as a movement but not as a president or party, and in some cases go completely out of their way to trash everything about it from very close range like yourself, have almost certainly not read 10% of the drops from the beginning until now.. and I mean really read each and every one of them in sequential order. Of course that alone is only half of the picture considering the method used is Socratic in nature. To even begin to say that any single person can debunk this based solely on understanding the context and content of this entire thing would also require them at least jump in and do some of their own personal research to verifiably be able to prove or disprove any one of the many topics they may come across that intrigue them. Even further, you would really have look into the archived original research threads that started just months after all of this where one can find the collective research of hundreds and thousands of people, many of which outrageously intelligent, feverishly devoted, unendingly determined to seek out whatever truth they can find and share it with the rest of the movement and world.
But alas, good luck to you, .... A small part of me hopes you are correct by some miracle not a single thing uncovered and brought to light during any part of this movement is completely false and has never happened in any shape form or fashion.. even though we would all be greatly disappointed just because of the failure aspect, it would feel nice to know that the world isn't actually as f...d up as we all know it is.
1southofyou ago
That Q is real is unarguable. I’ve seen the posts. What Q really is, well, that’s another story entirely. Below are the theories I’ve seen proposed in Voat.
Which do you think Q is? And Why? Or add another.
1)larp
2)inner DJT/NSA circle
3)larp coopted by DJT team because of success in mainstreaming pro-trump anti-establishment message
4)psyop or simply one part of DJT overall media strategy
5)psyop to further divide US politically by some ABC agency
6)Jesus or God
7)Democrat party psyop to divide
8)small group of hackers or other computer/web/code gurus
9)coordinated well funded outside of government group psyop or other propagandist type of dissemination of ideology
Qvoater ago
2 🖖
Ponycam ago
jfk jr, for those who believe he's still alive.
1southofyou ago
Thx. Any idea why my comment is down voted? I am asking a serious question. There are plenty of people lurking and posting on here with differing beliefs. I’m just curious as to what they are.
Shizy ago
It could be because you are new. Some users see a brand new account and will automatically downvoat as are suspicious of new users and their intentions.
hangry ago
How uncouth of them.
1southofyou ago
Well I was “1southrising” but I accidentally tapped the log off button with my pinky yesterday (forgotten password) and then when I did the - Voat send you link to renew password thing - Voat never sent me anything. So I created a new profile as I had no choice.
I didn’t get this bullshit the first time I was a newbie.
Thanks for the response!
hangry ago
Voat now is a bit jaded from all of the newfag qtards. Expect a little hazing; that means that deep down we really love you. Honest.
Shizy ago
I see. It may be different this go around because of the recent issues we had with a former mod pretending to be a new user and fooling everyone. Hopefully it will stop once people become familiar with your username.
1southofyou ago
A former mod pretending to be a new user?...what happened and why would that happen? Im up on politics but totally out of the loop on that. Not even sure why that matters.? If u have the time could u give me some background?
Shizy ago
It was pretty crazy. Lots of drama. If you're really interested, this post is probably the best to explain what happened:
https://voat.co/v/GreatAwakening/2941545
Type-o-negative was the former mod who came back reinvented with an alt.
hangry ago
You need neutral family-friendly lovable fuzzball mods who treat everyone fairly, like me. I nominate myself, in the spirit of goodwill and unity.
Shizy ago
Oh hangry, you're funny! 😂
I do appreciate that you treat everyone fairly. I dont think everyone would agree with that, but you don't go low when disagreeing with people, which is appreciated.
hangry ago
But mah moderator gibs! That would be sooo funny.
hangry ago
Hey, no fair, @DickTick was writing to me, and you don't post my response....so, here goes:
Thanks for your response...a couple of thoughts/clarifications.
I don't buy into the back reading of Q and assigning hopeful meanings to riddles, or the reason the riddles are there in the first place. Real leaders do not do this. The "followers" are role-playing as internet Patriots who are getting super-secret inside info, and giving the info any meaning that they choose to. Yes, yes, the populace is dumbed down, etc., and there is a ring of truth to the explanation, but as the tv show said, "The truth is out there." There is nothing proven in Q derps that cannot be found elsewhere. Proven. By the time something can be verified, or, which is more likely, by the time Qtards read back into the Q derps something that is true, it is true not because of the Q derp, but because it is reported elsewhere. The irony of "there are no coincidences" is exquisite.
I agree that there are people in the middle both left and right, who are not politically-interested, and don't watch or read much news. Some days I wish I was still one of them ha. As to the fringe element of Qtardism, well, don't you think you are weighted a little heavy with those? I mean, you're basically a refuge for them, and the anonymity encourages it. I don't think, and I doubt that you do, that the percentage of batshit crazy posters in your group is as low as other movements on the conservative/libertarian side of things. I think you lead the pack in that area.
As to infiltrators and all of that. I really don't know anything about it, and tend to doubt that there is much of that going on, at least here. It sounds like someone is all self-important in their own mind when they start claiming that there are shills working against them. Really? Someone is paying real money to fuck with you? Gosh, you must be so important! That's the sense I get from that. It gets repeated, and in fact, it used to be the common fallback position when I would comment in this sub. First, you're a shill; then, you're a Clinton Commie Soros Leftist. This sort of nonsense is one of my own proofs that Qtardism is filled with dolts and weak-ass thinkers. Wouldn't it dawn on one of them, just once, that I know they are lying? Dur.
Three things: 1. I don't spend much time at all at it. My longer posts are in other subs, and to interact with this one is not time-consuming. 2. I haven't characterized Q in the way that you describe. My take is that the Q group is well-financed and professional. And dangerous, not being who you assume that they are. 3. My posts are only designed to flush out the truth. If that is demoralizing to anyone, so be it. I don't need to disprove the movement, it does that all on its own.
Your ending is really nothing more than a sneer, and a bit disappointing since you don't seem like the sneering type. Not the last paragraph, but the one starting with "Just a thought I would share a tiny portion of light on what is obviously a very dark world for you." This is similar in tone to what I noted above about the Qtards that fall back upon calling someone names. I know who/what I am, and am always puzzled when someone opposing me over political views/tactics thinks that by making shit up about me somehow I will either now think of myself that way, or conclude that they must be so much wiser and knowledgeable than I. It is a curious trait, and not effective. This isn't Socratic, is it?
DickTick ago
Also I did my part and upvoted you.. People really need to learn that civil discourse should always be encouraged. That is actually supposed to be a core tenant of this movement. I know it doesn't seem that way sometimes but... yep.
hangry ago
Thank you, kind sir!
DickTick ago
I'm wondering if you will ever admit just how in the dark you really were if and when this all comes out to be true.. and no, I'm not talkin about all of the added bulshit from the community.. I'm talking about the core topics from this movement that do pop up in media and even sometimes mainstream media.
hangry ago
Hey, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I've been wrong before, and expect to be so again in the future. And I would distinguish between core topics and Q. Topics, sure, we are probably on the same page with most of them. It's the Q scam that I don't buy into.
DickTick ago
God damnit hangry, I'm at work right now and can't properly read that fucking encyclopedia you just left me! Heh. Grease up your ass real gentle like for the next few hours until I can get home and send you a proper reply. Even though I haven't read it, and God knows it's probably going to piss me off, I still appreciate the reply.
hangry ago
Hey you must be home from work by now, niggerfaggot.
hangry ago
I doubt it will piss you off. That certainly isn't its intent.
MIDefender ago
Interesting to see another person identify that Q uses the Socratic Method to awaken the masses.
hangry ago
I use the socratic method. Speaking in riddles is not the socratic method. Asking questions is.