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BetweentheGreennBlue ago

So how do CCP go down?

divine_human ago

when you are being downvoted.

BetweentheGreennBlue ago

So people can just go and downvote, preventing newbies from getting "in". Nice system. Like some kind of stupid initiation ritual. I feel like I'm getting hazed. News flash VOAT - I've never really been keen on hazing ritual clubs.

divine_human ago

goats usually only downvoat bullshiters. yes, also those who only behave like idiots when they arrive.

normal folks dont receive downvoats, even not with opposing opinions. downvoating is for trolls, ego-trippers, missionairies, that kind of stuff. you dont need to worry, just interact on non-anon subs without being a dick and all is well.

BetweentheGreennBlue ago

A normal reaction/response. Thank you very much. Nice to meet a normal human being here..... anyways, if, as @redcobra told me, the "in crowd" can reduce you to 7 CCP down from 43 just because you turned them off, well, that's just stupid. It's like being able to hang out in the cafeteria one day, and the next, the moment you walk in, all talking stops. The whole experience makes me feel like I'm back in school. And as someone who has spent the last 15 years of my life homeschooling and working with homeschoolers, I don't need it. Gab has become a much deeper place of life and relationship right now. Way more "life" there. Voat - whatever. I'll poke around awhile longer, but I'm thinking 8ch might be better. At least there, I can post. I can deal with the crap, but I also get to speak my mind.

divine_human ago

it seems like the voat ideal which old goats transport whenever the discussions comes to the fricking CCP / posting rights topic doesnt apply to you.

i went through your post history. right in the beginning, you posted something that brought you 20 upvotes. seems like people valued it as a contribution that furthers the discussion.

(goats seem to not cheeringly give their upvoats, lol, most comments we all make stay without any votes.)

then you got into a lengthy discussion on race, with someone of an opposing oppinion.

while you didnt touch his vote count, he downvoated you on every comment. the longer you discussed with that person, the more your posting rights faded away. (i balanced those occurences with my vote so for now, you can post.)

thats mean, from my pov. and it shows the flaws in the system that i became aware of on day 1 on voat - i watched similar experiences to yours with other people, too, and also for me, it wasnt quicky and easy to get the required CCP.

when i started pointing it out, i got downvoated, similar to you who now show your frustration with the system, perceive it as moldy, and point to Gab as an alternative.

i get it. the system is unfair.

@puttitout, can we do something about it? is there already a post on this topic on another sub?

my idea is that, from a certain CCP level onwards - number 22 comes up here -, peole dont lose their posting rights anymore, even if their CCP goes below 10.

in order to prevent trolls from first making up 'good' and then trolling and spamming the shit out everybody, the loss of posting rights should be tied to a negative CCP.

-88 comes up here - makes it more difficult for brigades which could easily downvoat a person below posting rights level in one go, by just going through their history and downvoat every comment.

i get it that the voting system is designed to prevent spamming and trolling in a free-speech environment.

but the system can easily get abused, as can clearly be seen in this case. how to change it so it becomes more fair?

BetweentheGreennBlue ago

You hit it. Good points. All the work arounds mean changing the code though. Is it worth it is my question.

I really appreciate your upvotes. That was pretty neighbourly of you.

I'll keep posting periodically, as I did at Reddit. Now that I can that is. But I have next to zero motivation to fight for a solution.

divine_human ago

I really appreciate your upvotes. That was pretty neighbourly of you.

enjoy and post as the period brings it about ;)

one could call it vote manipulation, lol. just shows the flaws of the construct, it asks for being manipulated. i call for fairness. honestly, never before did i care about votes, likes, and all that social gratification and punishment shit. first time ever.

imagine, someone could get pissed about my opinion/presentation, call a friend for help, and both move through my history and downvote every comment. my voting and even posting rights would be down within half an hour.

thats ridiculous. i would not be censored by a mod but a mob.

But I have next to zero motivation to fight for a solution.

yeah, i get it. choose your fights wisely, heheh.

my nature is that of a system buster and builder. where i put my attention on, the beauties and flaws of constructs show, the underlying patterns reveal themselves, with the ways they are being used and abused.

i tend to bust on what doesnt work and support what does. wont get over a fight about it though. stating my perception, putting out ideas; maybe it inspires discussion, maybe change.

today, i made a comment that brought me downvoats. it was simple, i contradicted a racist opinion and some mob jumped on it.

i dont mind whether thats old goats, redditors, or some fricking trolls from wherever. if the system can be used to shut up people of opposing opinion, like drawing the posting rights of decent people, its flawed. fuck free speech, its an illusion and requires some adjustment.

as i said, i wont fight over it. in case the system turns to my disadvantage, and still nothing will have changed, i will simply leave it.

so yes, i get that you showed your frustration and advocate Gab. Gab doesnt resonate with me, but if thats the place where you feel more homey, i wish you a good time there. we need various places on the internet, decentralize; makes us less vulnurable against shut-downs. may you enjoy, wherever you are...

BetweentheGreennBlue ago

You're good people. Keep it up!

Your point on diverse places, spot on. That's the organic-ness of freedom, free market, etc. We all spread out to our various places, and be salt and light where we're put, where we're home. In the end, it's about relationship, because that's all we're really building in this life.

Downvoted for racist opposition - good on you. If you get downvoted for that, keep it up.

My MO so far is find what others find, and spread it. Every now and again, I get inspired, like Melania's jacket she wore to the Mexian border. I went nuts on that one, and found a ton of pedo/occult shirts from the company's site. But life for the most part keeps me too busy to do deep research in one area. I have a blog, but I find when I start writing, it takes me weeks and weeks to craft it the way I want. So it's not consistent.

So, I'll say at this point, thanks to you, I'll keep lurking. FREEDOM!

divine_human ago

may inspiration flow through you as it best serves your joy and the greater good...

i get the thing with difficulties working for the blog. i am co-owner of a blog and very rarely post articles. my flow starts when people call for it which much more happens on discussion groups than in front of an empty page ;)

yeah, racism and all bashing of entire folk groups annoys the shit out of me. i spent 2 months talking with racists on a reddit group - one of the rare free speech reddit groups with public mod logs -, simply to understand how they tick.

i got the 'race realism' of some folks - people who, in wrongly applied darwinism, take logical thinking, intellect, IQ, as the only measurement of value when looking at other cultures - and could well talk with those that didnt take their opinion as an excuse for hating and bashing those they look down onto.

the discussion showed me where their fears are - its always fear thats beneath 'negative' emotions and thoughts - which was important for me because racism is on the rise in my country germany.

i take these downvoats as a badge of honor, lol. they also show how stupid people are, how little they are able to encounter opposing opinions and allow them to be, and how weak so many people are that they have to put others down, in order to appear bigger and stronger. its so funny then, to hear these same people call themselves red-pilled or awake, heheh.

keep lurking, m8, hope to see you around once in a while <3

Redcobra ago

Hey glad to be of use.at anyrate I do recommend sticking it out.humans are tribal.