(Old goats, you are invited to add your piece or correct me where I'm wrong. I take this opportunity to express my gratitude for opening your doors and teaching us - even if pretty roughly at times, lol - about Voat culture.)
“Q sent us here”, is what I hear from many GA-Reddit refugees on v/QRV. Great that you made it here, welcome… hopefully, this post will help you to easier find your way around here...
Voat has three main Q subverses that I will talk about in another post. Suffice to say for now; you can access the feed of all these three sistersubs in a set the Voat-admin created here https://voat.co/s/GreatAwakening. (Notice the ‘s’ before the dash instead of the usual v/)
This post is intended to focus on the relationship between Q-people and the Voat community. Let's end this 'us vs. them' bullshit.
We came as refugees to the only free speech zone on a public social media platform besides the chans. Voat has a similar interface to Reddit so it’s easier to use for people who don’t find their way around 8chan.
There are some major differences between Voat and Reddit that confuse and irritate new goats (term for Voat users who perceive many Redditors as sheep) which need to be understood, in order to easily integrate.
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Public moderation logs are default, their links can be found down below in the sidebar. On Reddit, only a few rare subs make their mod logs transparent as they show all removals and bans so the moderator’s actions are under constant surveillance by community (prevents secret mod power abuse and censoring).
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Free speech brings about interesting information but also a lot of trolling, insults, cursing, strange images; things one may not want to see or hear. It’s a call to putting on our big boys/gals pants, toughen up, stop taking everything personally, and speaking our heart and mind. No political correctness on Voat, take it or leave it.
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Voat is so much smaller than Reddit that many users don’t go to specific subs but scan the v/all page which displays all public subs in one feed. If you go there, you will see that right now, a majority of the posts are from the Q-subs. Just for a moment, put yourself into the shoes of the old goats. How would you feel, esp. if you were a Q-sceptic?
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In order to post, you need 10 CCP (comment contribution points), in order to downvote (downvoat), you need 100 CCP. This works against spam and downvoat brigades but is annoying for genuine Redditors who only want to engage on /QRV where you can’t earn or lose CCP because of anonymization. The system is also designed to invite people to engage with the greater Voat community. A few interesting or funny comments outside of the ‘ghetto’ will give you the required CCP within a few days. Annoying, yes, but that’s the culture here so we have to accept it and better stop fighting it over and over again.
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Unlike Reddit where you receive a default upvote for each comment (automatically upvoting yourself with ‘1’), your comments on Voat start at ‘0’. You can’t blabber ‘your way up’ in solitude; you need to communicate with the goats. In the process, you will learn Voat culture and understand some of the issues that come up with the Q-people.
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Vote farming is despised and all attempts to manipulate the voting system – as in creating a sub or alts with the intent to earn CCP – are being called out and downvoated. Engage genuinely and you will be accepted and ‘rewarded’.
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Due to its size, the Voat community cares about all of its subs. When a new sub is modded in a censoring way – as happened with v/TheAwakening whwere, after 2 days, the mod log for bans was 8 pages long -, old goats flood in to make people aware, call out the mods, and troll the shit out of the sub. If the owner of one of their subs gets smeared without evidence of wrong-doing - as happened with v/GreatAwakening -, the goats take it as an attack on their entire community and fight back.
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New people and subs seem to traditionally get challenged with ‘free speech smears' so you will stumble upon a lot of ‘niggerfaggot’ and ‘it’s all the Jew’s fault’ stuff. It’s like a test: how politically correct and brainwashed are you? Are you fit for free-speech Voat or a ‘normie’? If you deal with it intelligently, it’ll stop after a few days. If you fight it or react with outrage, it will persist.
That being said, Voat land is somewhat similar to Reddit but essentially different in a few aspects as its basic principle is honoring the 1st amendment. That’s not easy to take for some Redditors who are used to being ‘protected’ from unwanted content by moderators who do or do not work with their subscribers’ best intent at heart.
Now step into the Voat land citizens shoes for a moment...
It’s like Europe and the refugee crisis which, over time, got renamed to ‘migrant crisis’. Note: Refugees leave when the crisis is over, migrants stay and need to integrate, in order to peacefully live next to each other.
Like Europe – first ‘invaded’ by the ME, now by Africa -, Voat experienced two floods of Reddit refugees. (Btw, Q-people are not the first refugee flood to Voat; Wikipedia gives a synopsis of former migrations.)
The first flood happened on Rystalnacht, Sept.12, when the mods of Reddit GA created v/TheAwakening right after Reddits BigBan. It created lots of upheaval that stirred the pot against the ‘Q-invasion’. (Let’s talk about this in more detail in another post. If you want to search Voat on it or anything else, use https://searchvoat.co)
The second flood came on and after Sep.21, after Q asked the seemingly trusted board owner (BO) of 8chan to create a Voat sub – v/QRV - for the ex /GA/ Redditors (Q2269).
Both newly created subs don’t respect Voat culture, they both fucked with the voting system. TA corrected that after some days, QRV won’t correct it as it’s part of the anonymization feature.
Staying within the Europe refugee analogy, the first flood appeared like the installation of a ghetto under sharia law, and the second flood like full anarchy. That some members of these subs tend to behave accordingly is no surprise.
Long story short, Q-people from all subs but the first one – v/GA, which has existed here for 8 months – are refugees to Voat land and have to integrate with its culture else we are quickly being chased out of here again.
It’s up to us to choose to stay refugees or become migrants. When we stop fighting the goats and stop trying to take over the entire platform (there was some BS about Q-temple and 'taking back what's rightfully ours, arghhh), they will stop fighting us.
Let’s end this ‘Us vs. Them’ bullshit! It’s the playbook of the elite; ‘divide+conquer’ is their only way to keep us people in check. They chuckle about us right now while we blindly follow the strategy they have implanted into us to divide ourselves.
If you look around on Voat, you may discover quite a few people who live up to the same cause – liberation from slavery, re-gaining sovereignty – even if they are Q-sceptics.
There are more similarities between us than differences.
Back to the Europe analogy: Unlike many Europeans who tend to have vacations in various countries, many Americans never had the chance to travel outside of their country and culture so many of the refugees to Voat have no experience with integrating into a system they are not used to.
Here is the challenge.
Voat is like a house with many rooms and the Q-people inhabit three of them. (Yeah, there are smaller ones, too, i.E. v/Qbiblical, in case you want to talk religion.)
If we keep going with these stupid useless fights, in-between the Q-subs and with the Voat community, we are further away from ‘Time to Unite’ than ever. //They// managed to create an artificial dualistic division again instead of keeping us focused on the 1% that manipulate and enslave the 99%.
Wake up! Stop playing their game!
Voat has welcomed us, is testing us, and will chase us out if we keep fighting its culture and don’t integrate.
Never mind that some of the Voat trolls and many of the Reddit trolls who followed us to Voat instill division and spam the heck out of us. Witty comments, ignoring, or downvoating are the tools to deal with that.
It’s up to us to respond as mature conscious people and not as sleeping sheep that react according to their conditioning, fleeing the challenge or fighting back. Some wakefulness is required so we can make peace with our neighbors in this community house.
Welcome to Voat land! May you quickly and easily find your way around; you will meet some nice people who are great models when it comes to thinking for oneself and living without leaders to follow. It’s like a bridge to anarchic 8chan, if you so will. Can be quite a lot of fun here if you adjust…
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BetweentheGreennBlue ago
So how do CCP go down?
divine_human ago
when you are being downvoted.
BetweentheGreennBlue ago
So people can just go and downvote, preventing newbies from getting "in". Nice system. Like some kind of stupid initiation ritual. I feel like I'm getting hazed. News flash VOAT - I've never really been keen on hazing ritual clubs.
divine_human ago
goats usually only downvoat bullshiters. yes, also those who only behave like idiots when they arrive.
normal folks dont receive downvoats, even not with opposing opinions. downvoating is for trolls, ego-trippers, missionairies, that kind of stuff. you dont need to worry, just interact on non-anon subs without being a dick and all is well.
BetweentheGreennBlue ago
A normal reaction/response. Thank you very much. Nice to meet a normal human being here..... anyways, if, as @redcobra told me, the "in crowd" can reduce you to 7 CCP down from 43 just because you turned them off, well, that's just stupid. It's like being able to hang out in the cafeteria one day, and the next, the moment you walk in, all talking stops. The whole experience makes me feel like I'm back in school. And as someone who has spent the last 15 years of my life homeschooling and working with homeschoolers, I don't need it. Gab has become a much deeper place of life and relationship right now. Way more "life" there. Voat - whatever. I'll poke around awhile longer, but I'm thinking 8ch might be better. At least there, I can post. I can deal with the crap, but I also get to speak my mind.
divine_human ago
it seems like the voat ideal which old goats transport whenever the discussions comes to the fricking CCP / posting rights topic doesnt apply to you.
i went through your post history. right in the beginning, you posted something that brought you 20 upvotes. seems like people valued it as a contribution that furthers the discussion.
(goats seem to not cheeringly give their upvoats, lol, most comments we all make stay without any votes.)
then you got into a lengthy discussion on race, with someone of an opposing oppinion.
while you didnt touch his vote count, he downvoated you on every comment. the longer you discussed with that person, the more your posting rights faded away. (i balanced those occurences with my vote so for now, you can post.)
thats mean, from my pov. and it shows the flaws in the system that i became aware of on day 1 on voat - i watched similar experiences to yours with other people, too, and also for me, it wasnt quicky and easy to get the required CCP.
when i started pointing it out, i got downvoated, similar to you who now show your frustration with the system, perceive it as moldy, and point to Gab as an alternative.
i get it. the system is unfair.
@puttitout, can we do something about it? is there already a post on this topic on another sub?
my idea is that, from a certain CCP level onwards - number 22 comes up here -, peole dont lose their posting rights anymore, even if their CCP goes below 10.
in order to prevent trolls from first making up 'good' and then trolling and spamming the shit out everybody, the loss of posting rights should be tied to a negative CCP.
-88 comes up here - makes it more difficult for brigades which could easily downvoat a person below posting rights level in one go, by just going through their history and downvoat every comment.
i get it that the voting system is designed to prevent spamming and trolling in a free-speech environment.
but the system can easily get abused, as can clearly be seen in this case. how to change it so it becomes more fair?
BetweentheGreennBlue ago
You hit it. Good points. All the work arounds mean changing the code though. Is it worth it is my question.
I really appreciate your upvotes. That was pretty neighbourly of you.
I'll keep posting periodically, as I did at Reddit. Now that I can that is. But I have next to zero motivation to fight for a solution.
divine_human ago
enjoy and post as the period brings it about ;)
one could call it vote manipulation, lol. just shows the flaws of the construct, it asks for being manipulated. i call for fairness. honestly, never before did i care about votes, likes, and all that social gratification and punishment shit. first time ever.
imagine, someone could get pissed about my opinion/presentation, call a friend for help, and both move through my history and downvote every comment. my voting and even posting rights would be down within half an hour.
thats ridiculous. i would not be censored by a mod but a mob.
yeah, i get it. choose your fights wisely, heheh.
my nature is that of a system buster and builder. where i put my attention on, the beauties and flaws of constructs show, the underlying patterns reveal themselves, with the ways they are being used and abused.
i tend to bust on what doesnt work and support what does. wont get over a fight about it though. stating my perception, putting out ideas; maybe it inspires discussion, maybe change.
today, i made a comment that brought me downvoats. it was simple, i contradicted a racist opinion and some mob jumped on it.
i dont mind whether thats old goats, redditors, or some fricking trolls from wherever. if the system can be used to shut up people of opposing opinion, like drawing the posting rights of decent people, its flawed. fuck free speech, its an illusion and requires some adjustment.
as i said, i wont fight over it. in case the system turns to my disadvantage, and still nothing will have changed, i will simply leave it.
so yes, i get that you showed your frustration and advocate Gab. Gab doesnt resonate with me, but if thats the place where you feel more homey, i wish you a good time there. we need various places on the internet, decentralize; makes us less vulnurable against shut-downs. may you enjoy, wherever you are...
BetweentheGreennBlue ago
You're good people. Keep it up!
Your point on diverse places, spot on. That's the organic-ness of freedom, free market, etc. We all spread out to our various places, and be salt and light where we're put, where we're home. In the end, it's about relationship, because that's all we're really building in this life.
Downvoted for racist opposition - good on you. If you get downvoted for that, keep it up.
My MO so far is find what others find, and spread it. Every now and again, I get inspired, like Melania's jacket she wore to the Mexian border. I went nuts on that one, and found a ton of pedo/occult shirts from the company's site. But life for the most part keeps me too busy to do deep research in one area. I have a blog, but I find when I start writing, it takes me weeks and weeks to craft it the way I want. So it's not consistent.
So, I'll say at this point, thanks to you, I'll keep lurking. FREEDOM!
divine_human ago
may inspiration flow through you as it best serves your joy and the greater good...
i get the thing with difficulties working for the blog. i am co-owner of a blog and very rarely post articles. my flow starts when people call for it which much more happens on discussion groups than in front of an empty page ;)
yeah, racism and all bashing of entire folk groups annoys the shit out of me. i spent 2 months talking with racists on a reddit group - one of the rare free speech reddit groups with public mod logs -, simply to understand how they tick.
i got the 'race realism' of some folks - people who, in wrongly applied darwinism, take logical thinking, intellect, IQ, as the only measurement of value when looking at other cultures - and could well talk with those that didnt take their opinion as an excuse for hating and bashing those they look down onto.
the discussion showed me where their fears are - its always fear thats beneath 'negative' emotions and thoughts - which was important for me because racism is on the rise in my country germany.
i take these downvoats as a badge of honor, lol. they also show how stupid people are, how little they are able to encounter opposing opinions and allow them to be, and how weak so many people are that they have to put others down, in order to appear bigger and stronger. its so funny then, to hear these same people call themselves red-pilled or awake, heheh.
keep lurking, m8, hope to see you around once in a while <3
Redcobra ago
Hey glad to be of use.at anyrate I do recommend sticking it out.humans are tribal.