I have some questions for anyone who has spent time with UFO films and conjectures on the net (xpost to /v/AskVoat) (Conspiracy)

submitted ago by zen_music

I've been watching some UFO films of late, out of general interest. Without getting into what I, or you, believe...would someone with some experience care to comment for me? I have questions...

In these times of excellent photo resolution, why is *everything* so blurry, never mind what is purported to be photoshopped out? Surely distance and camera resolution are not this much of a problem? Or do you state that we are being shown purposely blurred stuff?

Although there are differences between the various videos, there seems to be a fairly common 'library' of images. I presume everyone who makes a new video is cutting and pasting to suit their current statement. Are they borrowing from each other, or is there a central 'bank' of films? I'm thinking, for instance, of the large spaceship that was purported to be the focus of Apollo 20 mission, and the pictures/videos of the pilot with those oddly clumsy gimmicks pasted on her face? Likewise those pictures of alien cities on the moon, which to me look a lot like concept art from sci-fi novels of the '60s, which was my era. (I'm not poo-pooing; just saying. I have an open mind at the moment. Please enlighten me.)

There's a lot of really ham-fisted production out there. Needlessly dramatic music that all but drowns the narrator, regional accents (I suppose there's no help for that, but it doesn't make for authority), dumb sci-fi graphics at beginning and end that are better suited to toy advertising...you know, if this really is a serious discussion, I don't understand why all this infantile approach appeals to anybody.

And also with that, there is a proportion of the videos I see that are narrated by what can only be described as goofballs, people who you think must be high on something. False jocularity, dumb vocal dynamics that detract from their points, it's so damn irritating! It's not that I want everybody to have a grave, uninflected, unemotional voice. I get it that some people are quite excited by stuff they've found, like the fellow who spotted something bouncing across the moon with his home equipment, and then couldn't get an answer from NASA even months later. But I don't think the subject is improved by redneck foolishness. So why do it? Is this just internet freedom at work, and the people who care about this stuff really are goofy? Or would you like me to know that there's nothing to see, nothing to know, just move along to something that makes sense, that's right....

Sorry, bit of a rant. But I sincerely ask you, intelligent science person. What's up with this blurriness, both photographic and in communication?

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deerhoof_fan ago

Anyone who has more than a cursory exposure to the subject knows that hardcore evidence exists, and that UFOs are a 100% real, documented phenomenon.

While possibly not aliens, definitely UFOs:

ASTRONAUTS

"I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet from other planets which obviously are a little more technically advanced than we are here on Earth."

— Colonel Gordon Cooper, Mercury / Gemini Astronaut

"I happen to be privileged enough to be in on the fact that we have been visited on this planet and the UFO phenomenon is real. It has been covered up by governments for quite some time now."

— Captain Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut

"...I've been asked [about UFOs] and I've said publicly I thought they [UFOs] were somebody else, some other civilization."

— Astronaut Eugene Cernan, Apollo 17 Commander

"I was testing a P-51 fighter in Minneapolis when I spotted this object. [...] It looked like a saucer, a disk. About the same time, I realized that it was suddenly going away from me - and there I was, running at about 300 miles per hour. I tracked it for a little way, and then all of a sudden the damn thing just took off. It pulled about a 45 degree climbing turn and accelerated and just flat disappeared."

— Captain Donald Slayton, Mercury Astronaut

"Statistically it's a certainty there are hugely advanced civilizations, intelligence, life forms out there. I believe they're so advanced they're even doing interstellar travel. I believe it's possible they even came here."

— Dr. Storey Musgrave, NASA Astronaut

"For nearly 50 years, the secrecy apparatus within the United States Government has kept from the public UFO and alien contact information." "We have contact with alien cultures."

— Astronaut Dr. Brian O'Leary

"In my official status, I cannot comment on ET contact. However, personally, I can assure you, we are not alone!"

— Charles J. Camarda (Ph.D.), NASA Astronaut

NASA, CIA, ARMY, AIR FORCE ETC

"Unknown objects are operating under intelligent control... It is imperative that we learn where UFOs come from and what their purpose is..." (1) "Behind the scenes, high-ranking Air Force officers are soberly concerned about the UFOs. But through official secrecy and ridicule, many citizens are led to believe that unknown flying objects are nonsense." (2)

— Admiral Roscoe Hillenkoetter, first Director of the CIA, 1947-1950

"We had a job to do, wether right or wrong, to keep the public from getting excited." (2)

— Dr. J. Allen Hynek, Scientific consultant for Air Force Project Blue Book

"Of course UFOs are real, and they are interplanetary. The cumulative evidence for the existence of UFOs is quite overwhelming and I accept the fact of their existence."

— Air Chief Marshall Lord Hugh Dowding, Commanding Officer of the Royal Air Force during WWII

"We must insist upon full access to disks recovered. For instance, in the La case the Army grabbed it and would not let us have it for cursory examination."

— J. Edgar Hoover, first Director of the FBI

"We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of God to ever get them out to benefit humanity... anything you can imagine we already know how to do."

— Ben Rich, former Head of the Lockheed Skunk Works

"This 'flying saucer' situation is not at all imaginary or seeing too much in some natural phenomena. Something is really flying around. The phenomenon is something real and not visionary or fictitious."

— General Nathan Twining, US Air Force, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff 1955-1958

"Unidentified Flying Objects are entering our atmosphere at very high speeds and obviously under intelligent control. We must solve this riddle without delay."

— Rear Admiral Delmar Fahrney, USNR

"The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a common front against attack by people from other planets".

— General Douglas MacArthur

ROCKET SCIENTISTS / PHYSICISTS

"It is my thesis that flying saucers are real and that they are space ships from another solar system. There is no doubt in my mind that these objects are interplanetary craft of some sort. I and my colleagues are confident that they do not originate in our solar system."

— Dr. Hermann Oberth, the "father of modern rocketry"

"The least improbable explanation is that these things are artificial and controlled... My opinion for some time has been that they have an extraterrestrial origin."

— Dr. Maurice Biot, leading aerodynamicists and mathematical physicist

"The possibility of reduced-time interstellar travel either by advanced extraterrestrial civilizations at present or ourselves in the future, is not fundamentally constrained by physical principles."

— Dr. Harold Puthoff, Director, Institute for advanced studies at Austin, Author of fundamentals of Quantum Electronics

SOVIET / U.S. PRESIDENTS

"The phenomenon of UFOs is real. I know that there are scientific organisations which study the problem. It must be treated seriously."

— Soviet President Mikhail Gorbachev

"I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth."

— President Harry S. Truman

"...I strongly recomment that there be a committee investigation of the UFO phenomena. I think we owe it to the people to establish credibility regarding UFOs and to produce the greatest possible enlightenment on this subject."

— President Gerald Ford

"I don't laugh at people any more when they say they've seen UFOs. It was the darndest thing I've ever seen. It was big, it was very bright, it changed colors and it was about the size of the moon. We watched it for ten minutes, but none of us could figure out what it was."

— President Jimmy Carter

"I looked out the window and saw this white light. It was zigzagging around. I went up to the pilot and said, have you ever seen anything like that? He was shocked and he said, "Nope." And I said to him: "Let's follow it!" We followed it for several minutes. It was a bright white light. We followed it to Bakersfield, and all of a sudden to our utter amazement it went straight up into the heavens. When I got off the plane I told Nancy all about it."

"I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside of this world."

— President Ronald Reagan

Anyone is welcome to provide evidence that a quote is legitimately out of context, and I will remove it.

All credit goes to /u/Alx__ (on reddit) for compiling these. Sources for these quotes can be found at http://spaceflare.net. Many of them are on video, in context. For example, this one.

It is recognized that quotes are not proof. However:

There is compelling evidence that UFOs are physical phenomena, not imaginary or hallucinatory. They are captured on radar that only detects physical objects, and perform feats not explainable by known physics. 90-95% of sightings can be explained by known phenomena, but 5-10% cannot.

Source: The COMETA Report (published by the French government):

Part 1: http://www.ufoevidence.org/newsite/files/COMETA_part1.pdf
Part 2: http://www.ufoevidence.org/newsite/files/COMETA_part2.pdf

The former Governor of Arizona, also former pilot and Air Force officer, who witnessed the Phoenix Lights firsthand, describes the experience: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=2SJXMBHByZY

UFOSKEPTIC.ORG, run by professional astrophysicist Bernard Haisch, was recommended by /r/askscience Mod /u/wbeaty, who also created and maintains amasci.com, a fantastic scientific resource in its own right.

More:

Regarding physical evidence -- there is little to none, other than trace evidence like evidence of exposure to high-powered electromagnetic fields in grass where craft are said to have landed.

Radar evidence
http://www.nicap.org/whatradar.htm
http://www.ufoevidence.org/documents/doc614.htm

UFOs defy known physics:
http://www.ufoevidence.org/cases/case334.htm (one case of many)

FAQ

"The government wouldn't cover it up." - The US government didn't acknowledge the existence of Area 51 until last year.

Evidence of UFOs is compelling to the extent that to deny their existence is tantamount to science denial. Earnest study of available information makes it impossible to come away with the impression that they could be fictitious or hallucinatory. While this comment is just an introduction, it includes sources that can be explored to satisfy any doubts.

MUCH MORE here: http://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/comments/wtabz/computer_hacker_gary_mckinnon_has_no_choice_but/c5gbmqz

zen_music ago

Thanks, I really appreciate these contacts.