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brother_tempus ago

He is correct. Water is a godd and no good 9 or service ) can be a right.

If we follow logically that water is a right then so is car, or a basketball or fireworks. They must be rights as well.

But they are not .. rights are inalienable to the individual and thus are the actions the individual can demonstrate .. ( speech, silence, defense, etc ...) and come at no cost to the individual or his neighbor.

Services and goods do come at a cost ( in resources and labor ) and thus there must be payment for them and so are not free and therefore not a right

LOLATU ago

Rights are whatever we collectively decide they are. You cannot individually define what a right is. It is a collective decision decided by society as a whole. Webster's defines a right as "something that a person is or should be morally or legally allowed to have, get, or do". Water is considered by most something people morally should be allowed to have.

Also your argument does not stand as nobody would die from lack of fireworks or basketballs. I could say your argument does not hold water.

brother_tempus ago

Rights are whatever we collectively decide they are.

No they are not. Rights are inalienable abilities of the individual and do not require a government or society to exercise

We can demonstrate this empirically by placing an individual alone on a deserted island .... from there every right can be demonstrated by that individual fro owning property, to defending oneself, to speaking their mine, to keeping silent, to ingesting anything they want, travelling anywhere, etc ....

Only those that advocate slavery and tyranny have the belief that we as individuals are not free but are born as slaves to the State and society

Webster's defines a right as "something that a person is or should be morally or legally allowed to have, get, or do".

No it doesn;t - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/human%20rights , your attempt to cherry pick is noted

Also your argument does not stand as nobody would die from lack of fireworks or basketballs.

Says who?

LOLATU ago

Oh are we doing linkies? I quoted mw directly

http://i.word.com/idictionary/right[2]

I'm pretty sure nobody in the world except you defines rights as things you can do on a desert island. Cool strawman though.