So what is a human right then? Should someone be charging me to breath? What about the sun that hits my skin and warms me and provides me with vitamin D?
So you don;t have one and thus shows your argument is really an appeal to emotion logical fallacy
If they can't afford the water,
then they don;t get the water .. very simple
Someone has to find the water, someone has to extract it, someone has to bottle it or connect it to some sort of distribution system, someone has to transport it and someone has to sell it .. all of that labor and overhead costs money and it must be paid because no one is a slave and will do that work for free at the expense of someone else.
And because of that .. this is why no good or service CAN EVERY BE A RIGHT
If you want to define left or right by your own personal opinions,
I am not ... the definition of left is one that embraces government ( the State) .. since right is the opposite of left ( see the dictionary ) then right must embrace the ideals that resist government ( The State )
There is an extreme to both Liberalism and Conservatism, and they are Socialism and Fascism. Both of these extremes are in favor of a big government. You are a fool, get off the internet.
No he is lefty .. anyone who embraces the State as a solution is left-wing
Wolfowitz, Bush Jr. They are
left-leaning
The "left" wants to control the money,
as we saw when the Democrats passed the income tax amendment and the Federal Reserve Act
The "leftt" wants to control our lives,
FTFY
we see this with the laws saying what food we can and cannot eat, what guns we can and cannot have, what countries we can and cannot visit, what words we can and cannot say ( college microagessions ) , etc .....
Oh, and it was your precious "left" who brought back targetted assassinations
FTFY
There has never been any semblance of a right-leaning government in the US since Harding
Spoken like a totalitarian fundamentalist ... this is why the left must always be resisted ... their advocacy of violence for the good of their agenda is immoral
Spoken like a totalitarian fundamentalist ... this is why the left must always be resisted ... their advocacy of violence for the good of their agenda is immoral
Spoken like a totalitarian fundamentalist ... this is why the left must always be resisted ... their advocacy of violence for the good of their agenda is immoral
That's what you are advocating by supporting this. When you privatise water people will die of thirst if they can't afford it. No thanks, this world is distopian enough.
People die of hunger every day as they cannot afford food. It follows that if water is sold like food people will die of thirst. You should also realize that people cannot go nearly as long without water as they can without food, so the impact should be far more devastating. Yeah, no thanks.
People die of hunger every day as they cannot afford food.
It sucks but it does not make the case that food is a right
It follows
It doesn;t ....
Someone has to grow that food, someone has to harvest it, someone has to transport it and someone has to sell it .. all of that labor and overhead costs money and it must be paid because no one is a slave and will do that work for free at the expense of someone else.
And because of that .. this is why no good or service CAN EVERY BE A RIGHT
Spoken like a totalitarian fundamentalist ... this is why the left must always be resisted ... their advocacy of violence for the good of their agenda is immoral
He is correct. Water is a godd and no good 9 or service ) can be a right.
If we follow logically that water is a right then so is car, or a basketball or fireworks. They must be rights as well.
But they are not .. rights are inalienable to the individual and thus are the actions the individual can demonstrate .. ( speech, silence, defense, etc ...) and come at no cost to the individual or his neighbor.
Services and goods do come at a cost ( in resources and labor ) and thus there must be payment for them and so are not free and therefore not a right
Rights are whatever we collectively decide they are. You cannot individually define what a right is. It is a collective decision decided by society as a whole. Webster's defines a right as "something that a person is or should be morally or legally allowed to have, get, or do". Water is considered by most something people morally should be allowed to have.
Also your argument does not stand as nobody would die from lack of fireworks or basketballs. I could say your argument does not hold water.
Rights are whatever we collectively decide they are.
No they are not. Rights are inalienable abilities of the individual and do not require a government or society to exercise
We can demonstrate this empirically by placing an individual alone on a deserted island .... from there every right can be demonstrated by that individual fro owning property, to defending oneself, to speaking their mine, to keeping silent, to ingesting anything they want, travelling anywhere, etc ....
Only those that advocate slavery and tyranny have the belief that we as individuals are not free but are born as slaves to the State and society
Webster's defines a right as "something that a person is or should be morally or legally allowed to have, get, or do".
This title is horrible, and the article is even worse.
Don't waste your time with the editorial, just watch the video.
What he said is:
"Privatize the 'normal' water supply for the population as it is not a public right"
Nowhere did he say "human right" and nowhere did he say that "all" water should be privatized, just the supply, which is not "rivers and rain" it's the water supply, which is cleaned, delivered, and on-demand in homes. the "supply" not "water", two different things.
And if you watch the whole video he goes on to say that as the CEO of such a large corporation he has a duty to ensure it's existence because corporations actively participate in solutions of the problems in the world, that they create jobs, (1.2 million directly dependent jobs for Nestle alone) and over 4.5 million if you add in spouses and children,
His whole point is that clean safe water that is delivered to your home should have a price, mostly because it takes millions of people to deliver clean water to your home and without a price on it, it would never be delivered. Because a million people wouldn't get up each day to deliver that water to your home if they weren't getting paid.
Go out and catch rain, or get a bucket and go to the river. That is your right
You have no right to go to the store and grab a bottle of Fiji and walk, and when the cops stop you say "It's water, it's my right",
We already pay for water and there's no evidence that Nestle could do any better than government operated facilities. All 'rights' are just legal fictions and the pubic are the ones to determine and agree as to what they are. All 'rights' are public rights. If they are violated God or some extraterrestrial being isn't going to fly down and enforce them.
This guy has a right to stick his head even further up his greedy ass.
This joker wants for-profit corporations to control our main source of water? Hell to the no.
Then let a government control it? Seems equally as fucked up.
If someone, or some corporation wants to run tubes all around a city and then pump clean water through those tubes, and hire a ton of people to make sure everything is working properly, How on earth is it possibly to do all that for free?
It's more efficient for one organization to run the entire infrastructure, but that makes it a monopoly, so it's important to make it a public utility to prevent price gouging. It's not free, you pay a utility bill.
amusingbarman ago
What he says is slightly different and I do agree with his point of view
DJexs ago
So what is a human right then? Should someone be charging me to breath? What about the sun that hits my skin and warms me and provides me with vitamin D?
Drenki ago
shorting nestle stock in 3... 2... 1...
gosso920 ago
Forget it, Jake - it's Chinatown.
brother_tempus ago
you're throwing a tantrum
all you have to do them is look in the mirror
brother_tempus ago
You resorting to name calling demonstrates to everyone that you are the self centered prick
Shows how much people agree with my comments ... nothing more and if the CCP is so important to you, looking at yours .. I can see why you are angry
Heavydrop ago
For the sake of my entertainment, please continue..
akornblatt ago
Do you have popcorn? Cause I have some...
brother_tempus ago
Your lack of any argument to the original statement disproves your admission
yes, the burder on proof lies with the acuser and you have failed to bring any evidence to the thread
yup, as my CCP proves
brother_tempus ago
Your name calling does not disprove my statement. It only shows you lack the intellectual ability to disprove it
It does until you can disprove it which you haven;t .. you have only stated you disagreed with it
The truth is a very sought after commodity and i have an endless supply of it
brother_tempus ago
So you don;t have one and thus shows your argument is really an appeal to emotion logical fallacy
then they don;t get the water .. very simple
Someone has to find the water, someone has to extract it, someone has to bottle it or connect it to some sort of distribution system, someone has to transport it and someone has to sell it .. all of that labor and overhead costs money and it must be paid because no one is a slave and will do that work for free at the expense of someone else.
And because of that .. this is why no good or service CAN EVERY BE A RIGHT
brother_tempus ago
I am not ... the definition of left is one that embraces government ( the State) .. since right is the opposite of left ( see the dictionary ) then right must embrace the ideals that resist government ( The State )
Lobotomy ago
You did not pay enough attention in Civics class.
There is an extreme to both Liberalism and Conservatism, and they are Socialism and Fascism. Both of these extremes are in favor of a big government. You are a fool, get off the internet.
brother_tempus ago
ahh the attack on the messenger because the attacker lacks the intellectually ability to go after the message
Lobotomy ago
You don't know how to make an argument, do you? Spam isn't a message, it's annoying and makes people want to listen to your retarded drivel even less.
brother_tempus ago
No he is lefty .. anyone who embraces the State as a solution is left-wing
left-leaning
as we saw when the Democrats passed the income tax amendment and the Federal Reserve Act
FTFY
we see this with the laws saying what food we can and cannot eat, what guns we can and cannot have, what countries we can and cannot visit, what words we can and cannot say ( college microagessions ) , etc .....
FTFY
There has never been any semblance of a right-leaning government in the US since Harding
brother_tempus ago
Advocating for murder is not a joke ... is some places it is considered a crime
ThisIsntMe123 ago
Where's that Tank Girl when we need her?
McGoat ago
Yeah, fuck you, Nestle CEO.
brother_tempus ago
Yup .. because right-leaning thought is about freedom ... not control like the left is
Lobotomy ago
Are you for real, or just stupid?
brother_tempus ago
Spoken like a totalitarian fundamentalist ... this is why the left must always be resisted ... their advocacy of violence for the good of their agenda is immoral
brother_tempus ago
Spoken like a totalitarian fundamentalist ... this is why the left must always be resisted ... their advocacy of violence for the good of their agenda is immoral
brother_tempus ago
Spoken like a totalitarian fundamentalist ... this is why the left must always be resisted ... their advocacy of violence for the good of their agenda is immoral
LOLATU ago
That's what you are advocating by supporting this. When you privatise water people will die of thirst if they can't afford it. No thanks, this world is distopian enough.
brother_tempus ago
I have not made any statement advocating the death of anyone
water is property and thus is owned .. ergo it is private property
Source?
LOLATU ago
People die of hunger every day as they cannot afford food. It follows that if water is sold like food people will die of thirst. You should also realize that people cannot go nearly as long without water as they can without food, so the impact should be far more devastating. Yeah, no thanks.
brother_tempus ago
It sucks but it does not make the case that food is a right
It doesn;t ....
Someone has to grow that food, someone has to harvest it, someone has to transport it and someone has to sell it .. all of that labor and overhead costs money and it must be paid because no one is a slave and will do that work for free at the expense of someone else.
And because of that .. this is why no good or service CAN EVERY BE A RIGHT
brother_tempus ago
Spoken like a totalitarian fundamentalist ... this is why the left must always be resisted ... their advocacy of violence for the good of their agenda is immoral
brother_tempus ago
He is correct. Water is a godd and no good 9 or service ) can be a right.
If we follow logically that water is a right then so is car, or a basketball or fireworks. They must be rights as well.
But they are not .. rights are inalienable to the individual and thus are the actions the individual can demonstrate .. ( speech, silence, defense, etc ...) and come at no cost to the individual or his neighbor.
Services and goods do come at a cost ( in resources and labor ) and thus there must be payment for them and so are not free and therefore not a right
LOLATU ago
Rights are whatever we collectively decide they are. You cannot individually define what a right is. It is a collective decision decided by society as a whole. Webster's defines a right as "something that a person is or should be morally or legally allowed to have, get, or do". Water is considered by most something people morally should be allowed to have.
Also your argument does not stand as nobody would die from lack of fireworks or basketballs. I could say your argument does not hold water.
brother_tempus ago
No they are not. Rights are inalienable abilities of the individual and do not require a government or society to exercise
We can demonstrate this empirically by placing an individual alone on a deserted island .... from there every right can be demonstrated by that individual fro owning property, to defending oneself, to speaking their mine, to keeping silent, to ingesting anything they want, travelling anywhere, etc ....
Only those that advocate slavery and tyranny have the belief that we as individuals are not free but are born as slaves to the State and society
No it doesn;t - http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/human%20rights , your attempt to cherry pick is noted
Says who?
LOLATU ago
Oh are we doing linkies? I quoted mw directly
http://i.word.com/idictionary/right[2]
I'm pretty sure nobody in the world except you defines rights as things you can do on a desert island. Cool strawman though.
erietemperance ago
This title is horrible, and the article is even worse.
Don't waste your time with the editorial, just watch the video.
What he said is:
"Privatize the 'normal' water supply for the population as it is not a public right"
Nowhere did he say "human right" and nowhere did he say that "all" water should be privatized, just the supply, which is not "rivers and rain" it's the water supply, which is cleaned, delivered, and on-demand in homes. the "supply" not "water", two different things.
And if you watch the whole video he goes on to say that as the CEO of such a large corporation he has a duty to ensure it's existence because corporations actively participate in solutions of the problems in the world, that they create jobs, (1.2 million directly dependent jobs for Nestle alone) and over 4.5 million if you add in spouses and children,
His whole point is that clean safe water that is delivered to your home should have a price, mostly because it takes millions of people to deliver clean water to your home and without a price on it, it would never be delivered. Because a million people wouldn't get up each day to deliver that water to your home if they weren't getting paid.
Go out and catch rain, or get a bucket and go to the river. That is your right
You have no right to go to the store and grab a bottle of Fiji and walk, and when the cops stop you say "It's water, it's my right",
LOLATU ago
Catching rain is illegal in many us states, did you know that?This guy is clearly motivated by nothing but greed and obviously a psychopath.
DickHertz ago
We already pay for water and there's no evidence that Nestle could do any better than government operated facilities. All 'rights' are just legal fictions and the pubic are the ones to determine and agree as to what they are. All 'rights' are public rights. If they are violated God or some extraterrestrial being isn't going to fly down and enforce them.
This guy has a right to stick his head even further up his greedy ass.
Ina_Pickle ago
Bottled water is not the "normal" method of water delivery to homes in first world countries. That would be government controlled utilities.
Utilities charge based on what it costs to clean and pump the water.
This joker wants for-profit corporations to control our main source of water? Hell to the no.
erietemperance ago
Then let a government control it? Seems equally as fucked up.
If someone, or some corporation wants to run tubes all around a city and then pump clean water through those tubes, and hire a ton of people to make sure everything is working properly, How on earth is it possibly to do all that for free?
LOLATU ago
It's more efficient for one organization to run the entire infrastructure, but that makes it a monopoly, so it's important to make it a public utility to prevent price gouging. It's not free, you pay a utility bill.
Johnham ago
Do you get a Utility bill? Water isn't free.
DickHertz ago
Obviously they can't but how is that an argument for a for-profit company to do the job?
NotAnUndercoverCop ago
I thought the public was made up of humans. My mistake, I suppose.