If anyone wants to know where OP actually lied - I copied both links here so you can follow them and look for yourself.
TL;DR: For 2020, in addition to missing the "future" (which OP accounted for) it's missing the "near past" (because the CDC gets death notices from local morgues a few weeks after death). OP "forgot" to account for that.
The CDC's data has the correct number of "deaths compared to previous years" that OP claims to calculate and it shows MASSIVE INCREASE IN DEATHS. But OP decided to hide these numbers from you and instead wrongly calculate them himself to spread misinformation.
Like all good lies - they intentionally fudge 2 different ways of counting and comparing them.
Note that there's a column called "percent of expected deaths" that does exactly what OP claims to do - compares the number of deaths to previous years. And you can see it's significantly over 100% almost every week - PEAKING AT 142% FOR SEVERAL WEEKS!
That's 40% EXTRA DEAD compared to previous years! It's HUGE!
Anyway - IF OP were honest, they'd use this data: data counted the same way in multiple years.
But OP is a liar - so they instead decided to use this page for comparison:
They got the total deaths in 2018, and did "math" to compare the numbers.
Why is it wrong? They are both deaths, so why can't we use both numbers?
Well, let's read the comment on the first page:
Percent of expected deaths is the number of deaths for all causes for this week in 2020 compared to the average number across the same week in 2017–2019. Previous analyses of 2015–2016 provisional data completeness have found that...
The important part:
... completeness is lower in the first few weeks following the date of death (<25%), and then increases over time such that data are generally at least 75% complete within 8 weeks of when the death occurred
Meaning real-time data is hard to get. The data takes a few weeks to get from local morgues etc. to the CDC. Meaning the data for the last few weeks is lower than the real data!!!
WE CAN SEE IT IN THE ACTUAL TABLE! Look at the last 4-5 weeks in the table, you'll see the "percent of expected deaths" is extremely low there - like 32% in the last week, 77% in the previous week etc.
Why? Because it's only partial data!
THIS IS OP'S LIE!!! He knows that the data is incomplete (real-time data always is) but pretends in his math that it is complete and compares it to complete data from 2018. Instead of using the week-by-week comparison that would show the 142% of expected death in multiple weeks.
There will be no data about 4 million deaths, since the death increase is "only" about 10-15%, so from 2.8 million to around 3.2 million (extra 300-400k)
And I don't want to wait until 2021 to get data, so instead how about I look at the number of deaths per week, and ignore the last few weeks since their data is incomplete. Sounds good?
I can do that now! How cool is that? Here's the data:
You can look yourself and see - there are HUGE excess death numbers between 2020 and previous years. Almost 200k extra dead in just the first 6 months. More now.
Really? Really?! I said deaths were up 40% for several weeks, NOT for the entire year.
Here's what I wrote:
And you can see it's significantly over 100% almost every week - PEAKING AT 142% FOR SEVERAL WEEKS!
That's 40% EXTRA DEAD compared to previous years! It's HUGE!
The 40% is the peak difference, meaning the biggest difference, not the average difference. You know - like the peak of a mountain isn't the hight of the entire mountain, just of one spot at the top.
That article is looking at the relative levels of different causes of death, and different age groups. A different angle on calling the hoax out, but doesn't counter there being more total deaths due to all causes.
In any case US policy is probably the explanation for the excess deaths if there were any. Many were murdered by medical staff. I know some personalty that were killed with ventilators.
And Im saying many people in the US, primary old frail people, would be alive if they weren't terrorized, isolated, and put on ventilators inappropriately under the guise of COVID. Yes, ventillators kill. They are only to be used like CPR, if the patient is dead anyway as a hail Mary to keep them alive. You don't put someone who simply has trouble breathing on a vent. And thats why many doctors did because they got caught up in being told that is the right thing to do to treat COVID.
Yeah dude. Don't let these kike shills bog you down in the minutia. None of that shit matters.
I don't give a fuck what the corrupt CDC or WHO claims is going on. Those agencies are run by the same league of commies that wrote Agenda 21/2030 and "The Great Reset". Whether the holocough is real or fake, whether the virus has been isolated from an infected patient or just synthesized in a lab, whether the PCR test is reliable or not, whether more people died this year or not, whether masks reduce the spread of the alleged virus or not... none of that matters.
What matters is that it's all being used to destroy the US economy and middle class in particular. It's a transfer of wealth, measuring in the trillions, from Americans' future pockets to multinational corporations and jewish banks. And it's being used to justify the destruction of our remaining liberties and the installation of a massive, invasive, privacy eradicating surveillance and control apparatus.
Excellent summary of the situation. People get bogged down in the details, but what's important is what's being DONE in the name of covid. And what's being done wasn't dreamed up overnight; it's been in the works for a while. Which means it's highly likely that this virus was released intentionally, as well as any deadlier viruses following this one.
Absolutely. The odds of Event 201 predicting a world wide pandemic with the exact same type of virus only a month before the first alleged breakout are almost as absurd as the odds of the US military coincidentally performing exercises simulating hijacked airliners being flown into buildings on the morning of 9/11.
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Men13 ago
If anyone wants to know where OP actually lied - I copied both links here so you can follow them and look for yourself.
TL;DR: For 2020, in addition to missing the "future" (which OP accounted for) it's missing the "near past" (because the CDC gets death notices from local morgues a few weeks after death). OP "forgot" to account for that.
The CDC's data has the correct number of "deaths compared to previous years" that OP claims to calculate and it shows MASSIVE INCREASE IN DEATHS. But OP decided to hide these numbers from you and instead wrongly calculate them himself to spread misinformation.
Like all good lies - they intentionally fudge 2 different ways of counting and comparing them.
First page - mortality per week:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
Note that there's a column called "percent of expected deaths" that does exactly what OP claims to do - compares the number of deaths to previous years. And you can see it's significantly over 100% almost every week - PEAKING AT 142% FOR SEVERAL WEEKS!
That's 40% EXTRA DEAD compared to previous years! It's HUGE!
Anyway - IF OP were honest, they'd use this data: data counted the same way in multiple years.
But OP is a liar - so they instead decided to use this page for comparison:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/deaths.htm
They got the total deaths in 2018, and did "math" to compare the numbers.
Why is it wrong? They are both deaths, so why can't we use both numbers?
Well, let's read the comment on the first page:
The important part:
Meaning real-time data is hard to get. The data takes a few weeks to get from local morgues etc. to the CDC. Meaning the data for the last few weeks is lower than the real data!!!
WE CAN SEE IT IN THE ACTUAL TABLE! Look at the last 4-5 weeks in the table, you'll see the "percent of expected deaths" is extremely low there - like 32% in the last week, 77% in the previous week etc.
Why? Because it's only partial data!
THIS IS OP'S LIE!!! He knows that the data is incomplete (real-time data always is) but pretends in his math that it is complete and compares it to complete data from 2018. Instead of using the week-by-week comparison that would show the 142% of expected death in multiple weeks.
OP IS A LIAR!
crazy_eyes ago
so let us know when you have the data showing 4 million deaths in the US in 2020
Men13 ago
There will be no data about 4 million deaths, since the death increase is "only" about 10-15%, so from 2.8 million to around 3.2 million (extra 300-400k)
And I don't want to wait until 2021 to get data, so instead how about I look at the number of deaths per week, and ignore the last few weeks since their data is incomplete. Sounds good?
I can do that now! How cool is that? Here's the data:
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
Or a different page that looks per-month and has 2020 data for the first 6 months, and 2019 data you can compare to? I have that as well!
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/provisional-tables.htm
You can look yourself and see - there are HUGE excess death numbers between 2020 and previous years. Almost 200k extra dead in just the first 6 months. More now.
I linked the data, you can check for yourself.
Good enough for you?
crazy_eyes ago
You said the deaths were up 40% that would make for 4 million deaths if you take an average year and add 40% additional deaths
Men13 ago
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Really? Really?! I said deaths were up 40% for several weeks, NOT for the entire year.
Here's what I wrote:
The 40% is the peak difference, meaning the biggest difference, not the average difference. You know - like the peak of a mountain isn't the hight of the entire mountain, just of one spot at the top.
crazy_eyes ago
Johns Hopkins disagrees with your data
https://web.archive.org/web/20201122214034/https://www.jhunewsletter.com/article/2020/11/a-closer-look-at-u-s-deaths-due-to-covid-19
prairie ago
That article is looking at the relative levels of different causes of death, and different age groups. A different angle on calling the hoax out, but doesn't counter there being more total deaths due to all causes.
crazy_eyes ago
bullshit, it looks at death rate of all age groups, and there is no significant increase in deaths of ANY age group
Men13 ago
Why are you so chicken that you can't look at the data yourself to make a decision? Why do you need to read about other people who looked at the data?
What are you afraid of?
Tandemlee ago
55 million deaths this year total: https://countrymeters.info/en/World
57 million total died in 2017
https://ourworldindata.org/causes-of-death
Men13 ago
I don't care about "the world" I live in the US.
The US has 300k extra dead this year compared to previous years. I've linked to the data multiple times already.
Sure, the world as a whole had wars in 2017,, and handled COVID better than we did. That's meaningless. I care about the US only.
Tandemlee ago
In any case US policy is probably the explanation for the excess deaths if there were any. Many were murdered by medical staff. I know some personalty that were killed with ventilators.
Men13 ago
Why were they on ventilators I wonder <.<
so you're saying 300 thousand more people than usual were killed by doctors this year? That's what you're going with?
Tandemlee ago
Im saying there was no global increase in deaths.
And Im saying many people in the US, primary old frail people, would be alive if they weren't terrorized, isolated, and put on ventilators inappropriately under the guise of COVID. Yes, ventillators kill. They are only to be used like CPR, if the patient is dead anyway as a hail Mary to keep them alive. You don't put someone who simply has trouble breathing on a vent. And thats why many doctors did because they got caught up in being told that is the right thing to do to treat COVID.
EngelbertHumperdinck ago
Don't forget the monetary incentives given to hospitals for each person they intubated.
Tandemlee ago
100%
I have heard they were able to bill 30 k for each patient put on a vent.
The stars aligned to push as many vents as possible and this led to more death.
EngelbertHumperdinck ago
Yeah dude. Don't let these kike shills bog you down in the minutia. None of that shit matters.
I don't give a fuck what the corrupt CDC or WHO claims is going on. Those agencies are run by the same league of commies that wrote Agenda 21/2030 and "The Great Reset". Whether the holocough is real or fake, whether the virus has been isolated from an infected patient or just synthesized in a lab, whether the PCR test is reliable or not, whether more people died this year or not, whether masks reduce the spread of the alleged virus or not... none of that matters.
What matters is that it's all being used to destroy the US economy and middle class in particular. It's a transfer of wealth, measuring in the trillions, from Americans' future pockets to multinational corporations and jewish banks. And it's being used to justify the destruction of our remaining liberties and the installation of a massive, invasive, privacy eradicating surveillance and control apparatus.
Bahramu ago
Excellent summary of the situation. People get bogged down in the details, but what's important is what's being DONE in the name of covid. And what's being done wasn't dreamed up overnight; it's been in the works for a while. Which means it's highly likely that this virus was released intentionally, as well as any deadlier viruses following this one.
EngelbertHumperdinck ago
Absolutely. The odds of Event 201 predicting a world wide pandemic with the exact same type of virus only a month before the first alleged breakout are almost as absurd as the odds of the US military coincidentally performing exercises simulating hijacked airliners being flown into buildings on the morning of 9/11.
Also, +1 for the proper use of the semicolon.