Oh, you mean the generals who disobeyed him and lied to him about what they were doing on the eastern front while he was laid up with an illness? Those blunders of “his”, you mean?
Nothing was ever Hitlers fault, i grow tired of you Hitler apologists, you have every excuse in the world ready to exonerate him.. He was the commander in chief, he had the final say so that is why i'm saying HIS blunders because they were HIS, he was eventually the person responsible for leading Germany to a two front war they could NEVER WIN. German Armed Forces had made an oath to follow Hitlers orders and because Germans take their oaths very seriously, many did not dare to question or disobey Hitler, so fuck off with your bullshit.
I guess Hitlers no retreat policy at Stalingrad was also somehow his Generals fault too?
Here are some quotes from the book The Other Side Of The Hill." (1948) by B. H. Liddell Hart when Liddell Hart interviewed von Kleist;
Page 112: The escape of the British Army from France has often been called "the miracle of Dunkirk". For the German armoured forces had reached the Channel coast behind the back of the British Army while this was still deep in the interior of Flanders cut off from its own bases, and from the bulk of the French Army, it seemed likely also to be cut off from the sea. Those who got away have often wondered how they managed to do so. The answer is that Hitler's intervention saved them—when nothing else could have. A sudden order from him over the telephone stopped the armoured forces just as they were in sight of Dunkirk, and held them back until the retreating British had reached the port and slipped out of their clutches.
Page 112: But although the British Army thus escaped from the trap in France, it was in no state to defend England. It had left most of its weapons behind, and the stores at home were almost empty. In the following months Britain's small and scantily-armed forces faced the magnificently equipped army that had conquered France—with only a strip of water between them. Yet the invasion never came. At the time we believed that the repulse of the Luftwaffe in the "Battle over Britain" had saved her. That is only part of the explanation. The last part of it. The original cause, which goes deeper, is that Hitler did not want to conquer England. He took little interest in the invasion preparations, did nothing to spur them on, and cancelled at the first plausible excuse.
Page 139: On the 22nd, Boulogne was isolated by Guderian's advance, and next day Calais. That same day Reinhardt reached the Aire-St. Omer Canal, less than twenty miles from Dunkirk—the only escape port left to the British Expeditionary Force. The German armoured forces were much nearer to it than the bulk of the British Expeditionary Force. "At that moment," Rundstedt told me, "a sudden telephone call came from Colonel von Grieffenberg at O.K.H. [Oberkommando das Heeres; Army High Command], saying that Kleist's forces were to halt on the line of the canal. It was the Fuhrer's direct order—and contrary to General Halder's view. I questioned it in a message of protest, but received a curt telegram in reply, saying: 'The armoured divisions are to remain at medium artillery range from Dunkirk' (a distance of eight or nine miles). 'Permission is only granted for reconnaissance and protective movements'." Kleist said that when he got the order it seemed to make no sense to him. "I decided to ignore it, and to push on across the Canal. My armoured cars actually entered Hazebrouck, and cut across the British lines of retreat. I heard later that the British Commander-in-Chief, Lord Gort, had been in Hazebrouck at the time. But then came a more emphatic order that I was to withdraw behind the canal. My tanks were kept halted there for three days." Thoma, who was chief of the tank side of the General Staff, told me that he was right up forward with the leading tanks, near Bergues, where he could look into the town of Dunkirk itself. He sent back wireless messages direct to O.K.H., begging for permission to let the tanks push on. But his appeal had no effect. Referring to Hitler's attitude, he bitingly remarked: "You can never talk to a fool. Hitler spoilt the chance of victory."
So far, all you've done is talk out of your ass, providing nothing of substance other than to use labels to discredit and trying to pawn of excuses as rebuttals while providing no examples and no sources. I'm the one who should say 'We're done here, you fucking kike', kike.
''Nope. He was attacked by the UK and France, and then attacked by the USSR''.
Yeah, we're definitely done here, what's the point of even talking about this subject with someone who does not even know the basics of WW2. Hitler attacked the Soviet first you fucking moron which lead to a two front war..
This quote is attributed to von Kleist not Liddell Hart, he was the one who documented it. Oh but i suppose that any source that shows Hitler in any bad light can not be taken seriously and has to be kike propaganda, right?
oy vey you have no substance oy vey you do nothing oy vey i say so
Just fucking kill yourself already. You blew a 3 year old account to post jewish lies IMMEDIATELY after a new paid shilling push started following the Iranian general’s death. It’s extremely telling who and what you are. It’s over. Get a new account.
OY VEYYYYYYY GERMANY STARTED WWII BECAUSE MR. SHEKELSTEIN TOLD ME SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
You think i give one shit about what you or anyone else here thinks of my opinions? I am not here to conform to any circle jerk, I am my own person with my own thoughts and i decide to share them here, i don't expect everyone to agree with me nor is that my intention either. Not everyone you disagree with is a kike shill and not everyone who views Hitler in a very critical light is a kike shill either. Get your head out of your ass. Obviously, you are not made to have a rational discussion with.
No, Jews started WW2, Hitler was just part of the act.
You didn't discuss the quote, nor did you probably even read it, so there is no reason for you to even respond. You can look for other sources on Dunkirk and see that it was Hitlers decision to halt the advancement of the tanks. This is just one account.
Thanks for admitting that you’re only posting opinion, not fact, and that everything you said is a long-confirmed jewish hoax.
not everyone you disagree with
OH LOOK AT THE LITTLE SUBHUMAN FAGGOT REPEATING THE EXACT SAME COPIED AND PASTED SPAM THAT ONLY JEWISH SHILLS EVER SAY!
Truth is not a matter of opinion, subhuman. Only jews say otherwise.
Hitler was just part of the act
They had to have someone (a white guy who hated them and did not work for them) to declare war on, after all.
you didn’t discuss the quote
I didn’t need to. You posted a hoax from a proven propagandist. It can be dismissed off-hand. I’ve read his work. I’ve read the quote. You don’t have an argument. You have no substantiation for your claim of “Hitler purposely lost the war.” You have absolutely nothing.
it was Hitler’s decision
No one questioned this. Your claim, “Hitler purposely lost the war,” is a hoax.
You have to prove me wrong for you to call it a hoax and you so far you have not proven anything nor can you which is you resort to name-calling like a childish fucktard.
Yes, it's an opinion, i never talked of if it as an established fact. This is one way to make sense of Hitlers blunders, so far you have not even given any explanation for his blunders other than to blame it on his Generals which shows your lack of knowledge on this subject.
''You have no substantiation for your claim of “Hitler purposely lost the war.” You have absolutely nothing.''
Yes, of course i have absolutely nothing if you are just going to outright dismiss everything made to support that claim because you've automatically disagreed with the conclusion.
Haha who the fuck are you to have given yourself the authority to decide what's bullshit and what's not. This is the conspiracy section, this is where discussion like this happens retard.
HAHAHAHAHAHAH THE BRAINWASHED FAGGOT CAN’T DO IT. YOU LITERALLY CANNOT FUCKING DO IT. YOU CAN’T EVEN COMPREHEND THE EXISTENCE OF OBJECTIVE TRUTH ITSELF. You’re a fucking cultist. You’re clinically insane. You’re physically incapable of comprehending anything that is not jewish propaganda. Holy shit, you're beyond saving. You’re not even human anymore.
this is the conspiracy section
“WAAAAAA MOMMY CONSPIRACIES ARE FAKE BY NATURE! MR. SHEKELSTEIN TOLD ME THAT CONSPIRACIES DON’T EXIIIIIIIST! CONSPIRACIES DON’T HAVE TO HAVE ANY EVIDENCE BEHIND THEM I CAN SAY WHATEVER I WANT!”
You’re equal parts funny and sad.
this is where discussion like this happens
No. Conspiracies actually exist. They are not all fantasy.
The actual existence of conspiracies implies evidence for said conspiracies.
Evidence is a word which refers to the available body of facts or information indicating whether a belief or proposition is true or valid.
Truth is a matter of objectivity, and it exists outside of an individual’s perception of reality. 2+2=4 no matter what you say, think, or feel about it.
You are physically incapable of comprehending anything other than subjectivity, as propagandized to you by jews.
Get the fuck out. You have nothing to add. I have entertained your fantasies long enough.
“The Earth is a hollow dodecahedron and we are all living on the inside of it. This dodecahedron is extruded through 5-space, which accounts for all perceptional changes in our interactions therewith that the laws of physics would otherwise prohibit.”
I have posted exactly as much evidence for this statement as you have for your claims. You claim that “because this is the conspiracy section”, that any idea, of any source, with any implication or purpose, may be “entertained” here, without question. This is your worldview. This is why you are insane.
You have a truly sad existence, imagine getting this emotionally charged over a pathetic figure like Hitler.
This will be my last response to you because i don't have time to deal with imbeciles like you.
And i will lower my mental capacity to your level and write in caps, maybe that will help get this through your head.
HITLER MADE MANY BLUNDERS, WHAT HE DID AT DUNKIRK ALLOWING BRITAIN TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY WHEN HE HAD THE CHANCE TO DESTROY THEM IS A FACT , ALL HIS BLUNDERS AT EASTERN FRONT WHICH EVENTUALLY LEAD TO THE DEFEAT OF GERMANY IN THAT FRONT LIKE IN STALINGRAD IS A FACT, HIM DECLARING WAR ON THE U.S WHEN HE DIDN'T NEED TO IS A FACT. ALL OF THESE THINGS COMBINES MADE IT EASIER FOR JEWS TO DESTROY GERMANY COMPLETELY. DO YOU UNDERSTAND YOU FUCKING MONKEY?
And this is why there is speculation that Hitler was an agent from the jews working to destroy Germany by giving the jews the means to destroy Germany completely with warfare, something they didn't achieve from WW1. Read the article i posted.
This is only one aspect of many other as to why Hitler legitimacy can be put to question. Controlled opposition is a thing and have always been a thing and him being controlled opposition is within the realm of possibility and the retarded comparasion you made makes no sense in this context as this is speculation and opinions surrounding Hitlers bad blunders, something we know happened. Nothing is always as it seems on the surface and there is much that goes on behind the scenes that we may never know of, do you understand that? Probably not because you have your head far up Hitlers ass.
You're behaving like a cult follower of Hitler, like an adamant religious person who will react with violence and aggression when their religion gets put to criticism. Seek help.
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BushChuck ago
Yes.
worldofmadness ago
I would have to agree with that, his blunders makes otherwise no fucking sense. Specially Dunkirk.
Tallest_Skil ago
Oh, you mean the generals who disobeyed him and lied to him about what they were doing on the eastern front while he was laid up with an illness? Those blunders of “his”, you mean?
worldofmadness ago
Nothing was ever Hitlers fault, i grow tired of you Hitler apologists, you have every excuse in the world ready to exonerate him.. He was the commander in chief, he had the final say so that is why i'm saying HIS blunders because they were HIS, he was eventually the person responsible for leading Germany to a two front war they could NEVER WIN. German Armed Forces had made an oath to follow Hitlers orders and because Germans take their oaths very seriously, many did not dare to question or disobey Hitler, so fuck off with your bullshit.
I guess Hitlers no retreat policy at Stalingrad was also somehow his Generals fault too?
Here are some quotes from the book The Other Side Of The Hill." (1948) by B. H. Liddell Hart when Liddell Hart interviewed von Kleist;
Page 112: The escape of the British Army from France has often been called "the miracle of Dunkirk". For the German armoured forces had reached the Channel coast behind the back of the British Army while this was still deep in the interior of Flanders cut off from its own bases, and from the bulk of the French Army, it seemed likely also to be cut off from the sea. Those who got away have often wondered how they managed to do so. The answer is that Hitler's intervention saved them—when nothing else could have. A sudden order from him over the telephone stopped the armoured forces just as they were in sight of Dunkirk, and held them back until the retreating British had reached the port and slipped out of their clutches.
Page 112: But although the British Army thus escaped from the trap in France, it was in no state to defend England. It had left most of its weapons behind, and the stores at home were almost empty. In the following months Britain's small and scantily-armed forces faced the magnificently equipped army that had conquered France—with only a strip of water between them. Yet the invasion never came. At the time we believed that the repulse of the Luftwaffe in the "Battle over Britain" had saved her. That is only part of the explanation. The last part of it. The original cause, which goes deeper, is that Hitler did not want to conquer England. He took little interest in the invasion preparations, did nothing to spur them on, and cancelled at the first plausible excuse.
Page 139: On the 22nd, Boulogne was isolated by Guderian's advance, and next day Calais. That same day Reinhardt reached the Aire-St. Omer Canal, less than twenty miles from Dunkirk—the only escape port left to the British Expeditionary Force. The German armoured forces were much nearer to it than the bulk of the British Expeditionary Force. "At that moment," Rundstedt told me, "a sudden telephone call came from Colonel von Grieffenberg at O.K.H. [Oberkommando das Heeres; Army High Command], saying that Kleist's forces were to halt on the line of the canal. It was the Fuhrer's direct order—and contrary to General Halder's view. I questioned it in a message of protest, but received a curt telegram in reply, saying: 'The armoured divisions are to remain at medium artillery range from Dunkirk' (a distance of eight or nine miles). 'Permission is only granted for reconnaissance and protective movements'." Kleist said that when he got the order it seemed to make no sense to him. "I decided to ignore it, and to push on across the Canal. My armoured cars actually entered Hazebrouck, and cut across the British lines of retreat. I heard later that the British Commander-in-Chief, Lord Gort, had been in Hazebrouck at the time. But then came a more emphatic order that I was to withdraw behind the canal. My tanks were kept halted there for three days." Thoma, who was chief of the tank side of the General Staff, told me that he was right up forward with the leading tanks, near Bergues, where he could look into the town of Dunkirk itself. He sent back wireless messages direct to O.K.H., begging for permission to let the tanks push on. But his appeal had no effect. Referring to Hitler's attitude, he bitingly remarked: "You can never talk to a fool. Hitler spoilt the chance of victory."
Tallest_Skil ago
No one said this but you. You can’t reply without a strawman. We’re done here, you fucking kike.
How can you be tired of people you’ve never met?
And his generals betrayed him, ignored him, and lied to him. Oops!
Nope. He was attacked by the UK and France, and then attacked by the USSR.
…still the generals betrayed him. Oops!
Said the subhuman faggot who literally claimed “Hitler purposely lost the war.”
Oh, the guy who came up with the Rommel myth, you mean?
HAHAHHAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH YOU’RE ACTUALLY USING THIS AS A “CITATION” FOR HITLER “PURPOSELY LOSING THE WAR” HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH
worldofmadness ago
So far, all you've done is talk out of your ass, providing nothing of substance other than to use labels to discredit and trying to pawn of excuses as rebuttals while providing no examples and no sources. I'm the one who should say 'We're done here, you fucking kike', kike.
''Nope. He was attacked by the UK and France, and then attacked by the USSR''.
Yeah, we're definitely done here, what's the point of even talking about this subject with someone who does not even know the basics of WW2. Hitler attacked the Soviet first you fucking moron which lead to a two front war..
This quote is attributed to von Kleist not Liddell Hart, he was the one who documented it. Oh but i suppose that any source that shows Hitler in any bad light can not be taken seriously and has to be kike propaganda, right?
Tallest_Skil ago
Just fucking kill yourself already. You blew a 3 year old account to post jewish lies IMMEDIATELY after a new paid shilling push started following the Iranian general’s death. It’s extremely telling who and what you are. It’s over. Get a new account.
Yep, we’re done here. Commit suicide immediately, jew.
No one cares. That’s not what is being discussed. You posted a known propagandist. Hitler did not purposely lose the war. Period.
worldofmadness ago
You think i give one shit about what you or anyone else here thinks of my opinions? I am not here to conform to any circle jerk, I am my own person with my own thoughts and i decide to share them here, i don't expect everyone to agree with me nor is that my intention either. Not everyone you disagree with is a kike shill and not everyone who views Hitler in a very critical light is a kike shill either. Get your head out of your ass. Obviously, you are not made to have a rational discussion with.
No, Jews started WW2, Hitler was just part of the act.
You didn't discuss the quote, nor did you probably even read it, so there is no reason for you to even respond. You can look for other sources on Dunkirk and see that it was Hitlers decision to halt the advancement of the tanks. This is just one account.
Tallest_Skil ago
Thanks for admitting that you’re only posting opinion, not fact, and that everything you said is a long-confirmed jewish hoax.
OH LOOK AT THE LITTLE SUBHUMAN FAGGOT REPEATING THE EXACT SAME COPIED AND PASTED SPAM THAT ONLY JEWISH SHILLS EVER SAY!
Truth is not a matter of opinion, subhuman. Only jews say otherwise.
They had to have someone (a white guy who hated them and did not work for them) to declare war on, after all.
I didn’t need to. You posted a hoax from a proven propagandist. It can be dismissed off-hand. I’ve read his work. I’ve read the quote. You don’t have an argument. You have no substantiation for your claim of “Hitler purposely lost the war.” You have absolutely nothing.
No one questioned this. Your claim, “Hitler purposely lost the war,” is a hoax.
worldofmadness ago
You have to prove me wrong for you to call it a hoax and you so far you have not proven anything nor can you which is you resort to name-calling like a childish fucktard.
Yes, it's an opinion, i never talked of if it as an established fact. This is one way to make sense of Hitlers blunders, so far you have not even given any explanation for his blunders other than to blame it on his Generals which shows your lack of knowledge on this subject.
''You have no substantiation for your claim of “Hitler purposely lost the war.” You have absolutely nothing.''
Yes, of course i have absolutely nothing if you are just going to outright dismiss everything made to support that claim because you've automatically disagreed with the conclusion.
Tallest_Skil ago
Guess what.
lol
lol
Thanks for admitting you were wrong.
Why should anyone give a fuck about what you say, then?
Another is to actually report the fact of the world, rather than making shit up.
You made shit up and expected us to believe it.
Who disobeyed him and lied to him about proceedings.
You posted nothing to support the claim. You posted a known propagandist.
worldofmadness ago
Haha who the fuck are you to have given yourself the authority to decide what's bullshit and what's not. This is the conspiracy section, this is where discussion like this happens retard.
Tallest_Skil ago
HAHAHAHAHAHAH THE BRAINWASHED FAGGOT CAN’T DO IT. YOU LITERALLY CANNOT FUCKING DO IT. YOU CAN’T EVEN COMPREHEND THE EXISTENCE OF OBJECTIVE TRUTH ITSELF. You’re a fucking cultist. You’re clinically insane. You’re physically incapable of comprehending anything that is not jewish propaganda. Holy shit, you're beyond saving. You’re not even human anymore.
You’re equal parts funny and sad.
Get the fuck out. You have nothing to add. I have entertained your fantasies long enough.
“The Earth is a hollow dodecahedron and we are all living on the inside of it. This dodecahedron is extruded through 5-space, which accounts for all perceptional changes in our interactions therewith that the laws of physics would otherwise prohibit.”
I have posted exactly as much evidence for this statement as you have for your claims. You claim that “because this is the conspiracy section”, that any idea, of any source, with any implication or purpose, may be “entertained” here, without question. This is your worldview. This is why you are insane.
worldofmadness ago
You have a truly sad existence, imagine getting this emotionally charged over a pathetic figure like Hitler.
This will be my last response to you because i don't have time to deal with imbeciles like you.
And i will lower my mental capacity to your level and write in caps, maybe that will help get this through your head.
HITLER MADE MANY BLUNDERS, WHAT HE DID AT DUNKIRK ALLOWING BRITAIN TO FIGHT ANOTHER DAY WHEN HE HAD THE CHANCE TO DESTROY THEM IS A FACT , ALL HIS BLUNDERS AT EASTERN FRONT WHICH EVENTUALLY LEAD TO THE DEFEAT OF GERMANY IN THAT FRONT LIKE IN STALINGRAD IS A FACT, HIM DECLARING WAR ON THE U.S WHEN HE DIDN'T NEED TO IS A FACT. ALL OF THESE THINGS COMBINES MADE IT EASIER FOR JEWS TO DESTROY GERMANY COMPLETELY. DO YOU UNDERSTAND YOU FUCKING MONKEY?
And this is why there is speculation that Hitler was an agent from the jews working to destroy Germany by giving the jews the means to destroy Germany completely with warfare, something they didn't achieve from WW1. Read the article i posted.
This is only one aspect of many other as to why Hitler legitimacy can be put to question. Controlled opposition is a thing and have always been a thing and him being controlled opposition is within the realm of possibility and the retarded comparasion you made makes no sense in this context as this is speculation and opinions surrounding Hitlers bad blunders, something we know happened. Nothing is always as it seems on the surface and there is much that goes on behind the scenes that we may never know of, do you understand that? Probably not because you have your head far up Hitlers ass.
You're behaving like a cult follower of Hitler, like an adamant religious person who will react with violence and aggression when their religion gets put to criticism. Seek help.
Tallest_Skil ago
Yawn. Jew copies and pastes jew propaganda again.
Yes, you were proven wrong.
No one questioned this, subhuman jew.
No one questioned this, subhuman jew.
His generals disobeyed him. You know nothing.
It’s not, no.
Not really.
No, because you’ve still made up a fake conclusion and have yet to substantiate it.
Nope, said “speculation” exists to defame Hitler and promote jewish narratives.
Ooh! Ooh! Go ahead and post the proven lies that “Hitler was funded by Rothschilds” now. Go on, paid jewish shill. Do it. You know you want to.
No one questioned this, subhuman jew.
Not when you are literate in the English language and have read any amount of historical documents whatsoever.
So actually post one. You’ve yet to do it.
Which is why you’re posting surface-level jewish hoaxes.
More than you do, jew.
Said the subhuman jew repeating things only jews say and which have always been demonstrably false.
Said the subhuman jew continuing to repeat–without evidence–things only jews say and which have always been demonstrably false.
Hitler did not purposely lose WWII. You’re done.