My supposition is that this was a normal human mistake. He did not realize the post was about reddit when he marked it off-topic. Though given that the other posts exist, I would not personally see an issue with removing this one since it is less informative than the other two posts, the title is clickbait-y and uninformative itself.
I am bothered by the swiftness with which some here have been calling for the moderator to be removed, before investigating the facts of the matter. We should be careful not to accept what a headline tells us, even if it is on /v/conspiracy. I encourage everyone to exercise critical thinking and invest a minute or two researching something before jumping onto a bandwagon.
My supposition is that this was a normal human mistake.
This is correct. Well, technically. It should be understood that when a sub is even a fraction as busy as that one, the mod(s) simply aren't able to scrutinize every single word in every single link that is posted. It's just not possible. The link you posted in your comment (the one that was removed) had a title that was much too incendiary (and a flag went up). Additionally, it was an archive link to a website that was not reddit. It was unfortunately a victim of the checklist. The removal had zero to do with any people from any country.
I think this is an oft under-appreciated reality of fairly and objectively moderating anything, be it a subverse, a debate, etc. I simply cannot judge people's intentions or their politics against mine, whatever they may be, because chances are if I do I'll be wrong at least 50% of the time, and that's just not what's going on here. Case and point: Stay on topic and don't break the rules and your content won't be moderated.
A few more things that'll hopefully add some extra clarity. You and others who are actually thinking have already brought this up:
This post is a literal summary and boasts a link to the same thing that was previously removed. The title and text in the post clearly relate to reddit.
This post of a film documenting an attack carried out by Israel on an American vessel is clearly critical (and rightfully so) of Israel. This was a great post (oh, and it also clearly mentioned the comment graveyard found at its brother on reddit). I upvoated it.
All of this begs the question: What, if any, are the consequences for being a shit-flinging maladroit when it comes to uncovering nefarious acts by people who attempt to manipulate us? It's obvious that if you're the "shill" there are myriad problems when people find you out, but what of the false accusers? Is it really the case that we have to just accept that there will be "collateral damage" (to borrow a fucked up military term) in this "crusade" to bring light to this sort of thing? Had I been weak (but well intentioned) and replaced with some asshole that actually is what people are accusing me of being, do we accept this? (LOL, I doubt it) Yes, these are very much rhetorical questions, but I think they're worthy of consideration, even if only as a thought experiment.
Thanks to all of you who were reasonable and pushed back against the screamers and mud slingers. Let this tragic comedy demonstrate who it really is that we should be vigilant over. To those who are still up in arms and paranoid, I invite you to spam F5 on the mod logs of any subverse I happen to moderate, though I suspect you will be woefully bored (actually, be nice to the server, but check me none-the-less).
This song is oddly appropriate. Lyrics are in the description.
Just wanted to comment- sorry you had to deal with rage drama. It's a shame that a sub that claims to foster critical thinking doesn't actually do that.
what of the false accusers?... Is it really the case that we have to just accept that there will be "collateral damage" ... in this "crusade" to bring light to this sort of thing?
Yaw. Y'all are evil, agenda-driven, shitlords. Duh. Why else would ya even want to mod a large sub anyway? Gawd! I can't believe I even have to explain this to you. (read it with a slight valley-girl accent, you'll enjoy it)
Seriously though, Reddit has tainted all mods in perpetuity. There are a fair number of shitlord mods over there- and those bad apples have ruined it for the rest of ya. Consider it the lovely by-product of internet anonymity and rage-culture. You opening up a public sub tacitly implies you're willing to deal with shitheads posting bullshit about you. Thems the breaks.
Thanks for popping in and clearing it up though, keep up the good work.
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Mumberthrax ago
So far I found one post which was removed relating to Israel. https://voat.co/v/MeanwhileOnReddit/comments/311253
The moderator removed it because he thought it was off-topic. https://voat.co/v/MeanwhileOnReddit/comments/311253/1168736
@d23 pointed out elsewhere in this discussion that other posts with the same article have been left up, and gained a fair amount of votes: https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/comments/323206/1239355
https://voat.co/v/MeanwhileOnReddit/comments/309918
https://voat.co/v/MeanwhileOnReddit/comments/321611
My supposition is that this was a normal human mistake. He did not realize the post was about reddit when he marked it off-topic. Though given that the other posts exist, I would not personally see an issue with removing this one since it is less informative than the other two posts, the title is clickbait-y and uninformative itself.
I am bothered by the swiftness with which some here have been calling for the moderator to be removed, before investigating the facts of the matter. We should be careful not to accept what a headline tells us, even if it is on /v/conspiracy. I encourage everyone to exercise critical thinking and invest a minute or two researching something before jumping onto a bandwagon.
Genghis_Khan ago
This is correct. Well, technically. It should be understood that when a sub is even a fraction as busy as that one, the mod(s) simply aren't able to scrutinize every single word in every single link that is posted. It's just not possible. The link you posted in your comment (the one that was removed) had a title that was much too incendiary (and a flag went up). Additionally, it was an archive link to a website that was not reddit. It was unfortunately a victim of the checklist. The removal had zero to do with any people from any country.
I think this is an oft under-appreciated reality of fairly and objectively moderating anything, be it a subverse, a debate, etc. I simply cannot judge people's intentions or their politics against mine, whatever they may be, because chances are if I do I'll be wrong at least 50% of the time, and that's just not what's going on here. Case and point: Stay on topic and don't break the rules and your content won't be moderated.
A few more things that'll hopefully add some extra clarity. You and others who are actually thinking have already brought this up:
All of this begs the question: What, if any, are the consequences for being a shit-flinging maladroit when it comes to uncovering nefarious acts by people who attempt to manipulate us? It's obvious that if you're the "shill" there are myriad problems when people find you out, but what of the false accusers? Is it really the case that we have to just accept that there will be "collateral damage" (to borrow a fucked up military term) in this "crusade" to bring light to this sort of thing? Had I been weak (but well intentioned) and replaced with some asshole that actually is what people are accusing me of being, do we accept this? (LOL, I doubt it) Yes, these are very much rhetorical questions, but I think they're worthy of consideration, even if only as a thought experiment.
Thanks to all of you who were reasonable and pushed back against the screamers and mud slingers. Let this tragic comedy demonstrate who it really is that we should be vigilant over. To those who are still up in arms and paranoid, I invite you to spam F5 on the mod logs of any subverse I happen to moderate, though I suspect you will be woefully bored (actually, be nice to the server, but check me none-the-less).
This song is oddly appropriate. Lyrics are in the description.
BeerBaron ago
Just wanted to comment- sorry you had to deal with rage drama. It's a shame that a sub that claims to foster critical thinking doesn't actually do that.
Yaw. Y'all are evil, agenda-driven, shitlords. Duh. Why else would ya even want to mod a large sub anyway? Gawd! I can't believe I even have to explain this to you. (read it with a slight valley-girl accent, you'll enjoy it)
Seriously though, Reddit has tainted all mods in perpetuity. There are a fair number of shitlord mods over there- and those bad apples have ruined it for the rest of ya. Consider it the lovely by-product of internet anonymity and rage-culture. You opening up a public sub tacitly implies you're willing to deal with shitheads posting bullshit about you. Thems the breaks.
Thanks for popping in and clearing it up though, keep up the good work.