@atko, dude this is fucked.
I made /v/nottheonion over a year ago as a free speech zone, and @putitout removed me while I was still active and now my community has been stolen and had it's rules changed to override my free speech policy.
Please make this right guys.
/v/nottheonion
kendamagendale ago
AssuredlyAThrowAway is a holdover from /r/conspiracy.
he's had good moments.
But revels in causing sub drama.
not buying this.
Not_gonna_Voat ago
Can't argue with that, but I commented because. . .well you know why. I don't have to explain it to you—you apparently can think!
Tleilaxu_Ghola ago
If someone has been here a year odds are they are not going to read the FAQ. When was the last time you read thew FAQ at reddit? (assuming you have been there a while)
Tleilaxu_Ghola ago
I take it they never talked with you before covertly stealing the sub from you?
That is fucked up juvenile reddit style bullshit that has absolutely no place on Voat. No place at all.
This is actually something @atko needs to nip in the bud. Besides, I think a mod should get a 'warning' (for lack of a better word) before a sub that they created is covertly stolen (and that is the best word) from them. @moe you taking a smarmy tone and telling @assuredlyathrowaway to "read the FAQ" is fucking bullshit bro. People like you need to get the fuck out of here if that is the kind of shit you are going to play at.
EDIT- tweaks for clarity.
AssuredlyAThrowAway ago
Exactly, thank you man.
Mumberthrax ago
@AssuredlyAThrowAway, the site rules about how subverses are transferred are pretty clear: post and comment at least once a month in the subverse you are owner of. There's nothing in it about admin discretion in picking and choosing - and even if there were, it is entirely possible the admin chose to hand it to the other user.
Tleilaxu_Ghola ago
Do you think that maybe he was entitled to some communication before the sub he created was gamed out from under him. It says "may be deleted or transferred"
I think the top level mod, at a minimum, should be entitled to some form of communication before they lose a subverse, anything else is reddit level bullshit.
The rule is not designed to be used as a way to steal a sub away from someone who created it. It is discretionary and it is poor discretion to allow a sub to be stolen from someone when there appears to be a deliberate attempt to NOT talk to the CREATOR OF THE SUB in order to game the system to steal it away.
The fact you don't see this is stunningly obtuse.
Peglius ago
Have to agree unfortunate, but legitimate.
MinorLeakage ago
None of the points you make about a free speech zone actually matter. While I agree it would be a shame if what you describe is true, the subverse request was done properly, following all applicable rules. Even if the new mod is a total shit head, who enjoys punching kittens in his spare time, it doesn't change the fact that he/she used the appropriate channels to request your sub.
I don't think your ignorance of the rules surrounding that is really a defense.
Also, it seems that /u/PuttItOut replied to you on this matter, saying he would "double check" over 3 hours ago. Two hours before you submitted this thread. So what exactly are you hoping to accomplish with this post?
AssuredlyAThrowAway ago
@atko, make your choice bro.
CatManDew ago
So why is this a sticky on /v/conspiracy? I feel like this could have been addressed in a much more efficient way.
I personally feel, that this is neither /v/conspiracy related, nor does it seem like a post worthy of being a sticky.
Mumberthrax ago
I apologize for it being stickied. It was stickied without the other mods being consulted first, and you're right that it does not relate to our subverse really.
Tleilaxu_Ghola ago
But you are fine with him getting a sub he made stolen from him, THAT you are just fine with apparently.
nice.
CatManDew ago
Never said i was fine with the thread being transferred to a different mod. Don't know where you got that idea.
Also, as you can see there were many others string his inactivity on the /v/.
LostnTired ago
I don't get the issue. You were inactive in the sub?
SurvivorType ago
Shhhh, we weren't supposed to notice.
Porn_Account ago
Hi, one of the new mods for /v/NotTheOnion here. I don't mean any disrespect, but I have no clue what you mean by the subverse having its rules changed. The thing is, /v/NotTheOnion had no rules or anything on the sidebar at all for that matter. The CSS and siderbar for the subverse were completely blank. You had no "free speech policy" as you put it, on the sub at all. Also, the ways you went about messaging me and the other mod was... interesting to say the least. You say this is a "friendly offer" but it does not appear that way in the slightest. I will agree with you that you were active on Voat itself, however, when it came to you to /v/NotTheOnion you were in no way active. From looking at your post and comment history, as well as the mod logs seen here and here there was no activity whatsoever by you or any of the other former mods.
AssuredlyAThrowAway ago
I made a sidebar edit to say
"Rule 1) This is a free speech zone
Rule 2) Contrary to populour belief, rule 1 is not the worst rule on voat"
That can be verified.
SurvivorType ago
I'm pretty sure evidence to the contrary was already presented.
Porn_Account ago
Was this sidebar edit before or after /u/SmartAlec acquired the subverse?
go1dfish ago
Let us speak no more of faith in man, but bind him down from mischief by the chains of cryptography.
Voat is presently better than reddit, but nothing is stopping it from falling just as hard if not harder.
https://hacked.com/angered-redditgate-users-want-decentralized-alternative-reddit/
AssuredlyAThrowAway ago
<3
AssuredlyAThrowAway ago
Exactly man.
Billistics ago
I just fully quit reddit today.
AssuredlyAThrowAway ago
Thanks man :)
I know atko, when things calm down, will be able to see what's happening here.
Human intellect is important. Rules can't cover every situation.
SurvivorType ago
Pretty sure he has no plans to undo another admin's actions.
AssuredlyAThrowAway ago
I'd put 5 on it, but I don't need to ;)
Not_gonna_Voat ago
Just a thought, but did you try communicating with "@putitout" before (or since) making a big public issue out of it? Imagine this scenario—your neighbors throw a party and they are a little loud. You have a couple of options, the first is to go talk to them and ask them to tone it down. If you do that they will probably state they didn't know, are sorry and quiet down. The second is to call the cops, who usually come and do what you should have done (unless the partiers are black, in which case they're fucked). The result is a pissed off neighbor and a polarized community. Now, reach out and repair this relationship so we don't have stupid shit clogging up the front page.
AssuredlyAThrowAway ago
Yes indeed I did, and it wasn't given back to me.
So I moved to the community for help.
Atko and him are busy, I get that; but that's why I'm offering to work for free to make sure shit like this doesn't happen.
AssuredlyAThrowAway ago
That is a mod who is proud of stealing subreddits from others (he stole /v/worldnews from @soverignman) and replacing free speech with curated spaces.
That's dangerous.
But if you want another defaultmod/snoonet inner circle then fine, have it your way.
But don't cry to me when every fucking subverse is run by those pricks on alts. I'm doing my best here, and (ask anyone who is not a prick) I am very cordial with users who do not attempt to censor others.
I am unapologetic about shutting down assholes who claim to censor for "moral reasons". If you don't like it, then so be it.
moe ago
You keep saying "stole" without mentioning that he was inactive for 44 days on the entire site, and that I even added him back as a level-2 Moderator before he deleted his account. I'm not going to alert a potential squatter so that he can keep squatting like this fine young fellow: /v/Holocaust/comments/78591
/v/Worldnews was a "free speech" zone? Dear lord, please actually look at what you're speaking about before rambling off, because I even archived the rules before changing them — 100% of these are @SovereignMan's rules: [archive.org]
AssuredlyAThrowAway ago
Whatever helps you sleep bro.
You see me stealing subverses? No.
Let people do their thing man. What is wrong with you?
SurvivorType ago
He's doing his job.
AssuredlyAThrowAway ago
Modding is not a fucking job.
SurvivorType ago
I am not talking about modding.
moe ago
You hadn't made a single comment in the subverse... ever. None of the mods had.
You've been here for 1.1 years — maybe this is a good time for you to read the FAQ.
Sorahzahd ago
Go back to Reddit, dipshit.
SurvivorType ago
I would not say such things if I were you.
Codex ago
...you've been here for 20 days. He's been here for 5mo.
AssuredlyAThrowAway ago
"it may be deleted or transferred"
That's called discretion you thick headed censorious jerk.
I was here when we had to add mods by listing their names in the sidebar for @atko. I'm not going to take this shit from someone like you.
Edit for context;
That (moe) is a mod who is proud of stealing subreddits from others (he stole /v/worldnews from @soverignman) and replacing free speech with curated spaces.
That's dangerous.
But if you want another defaultmod/snoonet inner circle then fine, have it your way.
But don't cry to me when every fucking subverse is run by those pricks on alts. I'm doing my best here, and (ask anyone who is not a prick) I am very cordial with users who do not attempt to censor others.
I am unapologetic about shutting down assholes who claim to censor for "moral reasons". If you don't like it, then so be it.
moe ago
"Free speech space", yeah... see other comment for details on this inaccuracy:
/v/Conspiracy/comments/323036/1235107/1235316
Tleilaxu_Ghola ago
SO telling you did not deny that you are proud to steal subs from others..SO telling indeed.
AssuredlyAThrowAway ago
Who'se alt from reddit are you bro?
Bipolarbear?
Manwithoutmodem?
Karmanaut? (nah, he doesnt have time)
SurvivorType ago
Moe is moe.
moe ago
Are we moving on to ad hominem now? o.o
AssuredlyAThrowAway ago
No, we're moving on to either back the free flow of information or get out of my way.
AssuredlyAThrowAway ago
As an example of how a subreddit transition was done right, @mumberthrax came into run this sub, understood it's ethos of free speech, and has been a wonderful moderator.
What this piece of shit new mod did in /v/nottheonion was fucked, and it came (strangely) a few days after the mods from reddit's /r/nottheonion asked me to add them to the mod team.
@atko, this is why you need a community manager who knows what is going on in the meta on both subs.
Bro, I'm beginning you to bring me on pro bono.