Why the New Age Movement, the Secret, and the Law of attraction is a lie and has been pushed so strongly - a krishna conscious perspective (Conspiracy)

submitted ago by conquersex

The aim of the New Age Movement, the Secret, and other such 'positive thinking = reality' groups is very nefarious. I'm sure some of them are simple motivation building programs and are harmless but the shift towards 'manifesting reality' is for many reasons.

  1. Make the people more materialistic and make them squander any spiritual gifts they may have on material desires. Make them serve material desires, fantasize and dream to that end, thus increasing their material attachment. This will lead to them committing fruitive actions and thus binding themselves, through karma, to this cycle of births and deaths (reincarnation). This way they will always be trapped in this material universe, with no chance of escaping to the spiritual universe.

  2. Pacify them. If one believes that only dreaming feverishly of a material desire will make it manifest in their lives, they will stop improving themselves. They will think that simply 'believing' in perfection will make them perfect. That simply 'believing' their reality is good will make it so. They will stop making efforts to improve their lot in life. Ultimately, when the Secret does not work for them, they will become jaded and frustrated, either thinking that they are not capable of believing in something totally (thus becoming demotivated and depressed), or thinking that it is a lie (it is), and discounting all other mysteries as hoaxes as well (many are true).

  3. Cheapening gratitude. We are supposed to have gratitude to Lord Sri Krishna, for giving us this human form of life, whose only purpose is to achieve god-realization and liberation from the material world. We are supposed to have gratitude that he has given us a chance to serve him by granting us existence as a spirit soul, his part and parcel. We are supposed to have gratitude that He exists, as a worthy object and repository of our natural feelings of affection and love. Gratitude is a very pure and unselfish emotion, unconditional and a means to deepen our relationship with God. It can be very powerful. Instead the NWO seek to pollute it with material desires, make it conditional, expecting the result of improving our life through it.

  4. Make people more lusty. According to Srila Prabhupada, the basis for this material existence is sexual desire. Most people are desiring for sex, one way or another. They either want to be rich and settled so they can host the women of their dreams, or directly desire sex. This causes them to fantasize about sex constantly. Since the Secret doesn't work (more on this later), they become sexually frustrated and we all know what that leads to. Porn, depression, feelings of unworthiness, crimes, misogyny.

  5. Make people desire to be God. Maya has two traps to keep the conditioned souls bound to the material universe. The first is the sexual desire. The second is the final trick maya plays on a nearly liberated soul - tell him/her that They are God. The Secret does the same thing. People start thinking they are vibration and they can achieve infinitely higher vibrational states through 'positive thinking' (read : desiring material desires very strongly). No doubt, there are lower and higher states of consciousness. Vibration does matter, and plays a huge part in shaping consciousness, but not in the way these people would have you believe. In any case, they start thinking that they are the God of their reality, and all they have to do is to keep themselves in a positive state, and that believing in good/bad, right/wrong, karma etc. is all negative thinking. This couldn't be further from the truth. The truth is that Lord Sri Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, an independent, primeval, eternal being who has created all of reality, and is the Supreme Personal Absolute Truth.

  6. Make people thought police themselves. If one thinks that whatever one believes will manifest into one's reality, they will shy away from dwelling on important conspiracies and negative actions of others. Actually, doing so only makes us more knowledgeable and motivates us to develop counters and be aware of those wrongdoings, instead of somehow helping the actions by giving 'belief-power' (invented term) to them. So people are scared and pulled into two directions - to ponder over aliens or to not, to think of jews or to not, are we bringing them into our world more strongly? Am I feeding a thoughtform of Jesus Christ by thinking of him? (no he's a genuine spiritual personality, he doesn't depend on your belief to exist). So many conundrums and contradictions result from this type of painful thinking. It is very stressful.

The New Age in a nutshell - https://imgur.com/W8eRHny (although the pic rags on idol worship, which is a legitimate form of worship)

Lust, the greatest enemy - https://www.asitis.com/3/37.html

Please ask me any questions on krishna consciousness. You can get started on learning more about it by reading asitis.com completely.

Why the Secret doesn't work - Just desiring something strongly (and following the other steps, visualization, belief, gratitude, acceptance etc.) won't make it manifest in your life. Some people do get the result but that is because they deserved it. It was written according to their karma that the next 5 material desires they hold within a certain acceptable range (not 'I want to be king of the world' but small manageable stuff, of course it can be big stuff too but it needs to be supported by the karma of the individual) will be fulfilled and so the universe does provide (the demigods provide) the fulfillment of the desire. They are the success stories we read about. But ask how many of them constantly manifest whatever they wish. I'm sure their luck (karma) runs out, unless they keep doing pious deeds to deserve the enjoyment of those results.

Of course, God exists and thus impossible is a word in a fool's dictionary. There are mystic abilities which allow one to manifest one's desire but that comes from huge advancement in yoga and not at the mere whims and fancies of belief.

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ItsBad ago

So what are "material desires"? Is desiring to make the world a better place material? Is desiring to improve the situation of others or yourself material? If you desired literal material resources like money to help others, or construct a work of art, is that still a material desire? If you desired power, is that a material desire? Where is the line of material?

The line between passivity and acceptance is tricky but it is there. Accepting things, realizing things for what they are, is not the same as being passive. People should accept and realize the horrible things that are going on in this world, and not ask the (((government))) for more help and give up their power up. I've seen so many people arguing "it's 2018, this is unaceptable! We must do anything to stop this!" but that makes things worse. Worring about things doesn't help at all either, only makes things worse. Sometimes positive thinking really works because it reframes problems as "why do I even care about this" "even if the worst happens so what".

Part of the law of attraction is acting as if what you wanted has already happened, so even if their desires never come to pass they should be training their mind to be positive regardless, so they shouldn't become frustrated. Unless of course if they're paying money for this information, then of course they're being scammed and if their desires don't come they'll become tremendously upset. If done right I don't see a fundamental issue with law of attraction like concepts. From your explanation it seems more accurate to say law of attraction is incomplete - you can attract things but doing so sacrifices karmic energy that you earn through good deeds etc. Though the idea that you are actually cursing yourself by making a soul contract for a future life is concerning.

The biggest lesson I've learned here in this life is authority is absolutely not to be trusted whatsoever. No matter how we're trained or hold. (((They))) are evil or insane, maybe both. And their followers are so compartmentalized that they have no idea what they're doing. They think their actions will make things better, or grant their desires and grant them power at the expense of others, all the while it's doing neither and instead it's making them suffer and the world suffer. So for as long as I exist, so long as I remember, no matter how far I go, how many reincarnations or "ascentions" - I will always be looking for the Jew or Archon hiding behind the curtain. Belief in the idea that a higher level of existance is being deliberately hidden. That the authority is not on my side whether knowingly or unknowingly for good reason or not. I stake my existance on this. If "god" ends up destroying me for this transgression I'm okay with that. I will not follow others, not after what I've seen. I may associate or do actions for others, even be manipulated by others, but I will not serve them. If this is what the dark entities desire, to make people distrust "god", then so be it - they have succeeded. I have no doubt that Prabhupada's work is useful and that he was a good man. But I will not serve, no matter what.

Has the new age movement actually been pushed strongly? Society is completely bound to materialism. Rejecting any "metaphysical" or "paranormal" phenomena as something humanity has grown out of, that "we're so advanced now we don't need silly superstition". That somehow science is right because the scientific method is set up so mistakes will be realized, while at the same time you can't question the scientific consensus because that's ignorant. That somehow blindly supporting dogma refusing questions is compatible with figuring out mistakes.

To my understanding the reason why it's named new age in the first place was that 2012 has astrological significance for an awakening of mankind. But the (((media))) promoted the idea that it was considered the date for the end of the world.

And the new age doesn't seem to be a cohesive movement either. It's more like a buzzword or search keyword, like "occult". I mean you can say it's controlled opposition, a limited hangout operation. And obviously (((they))) subvert literally everything so bad actors abound, especially the (((mainstream))) sources. But limited hangout operations can help people realize what's going on regardless of their nefarious intentions. What's most important is the seed of doubt cast upon all authorities society deems credible, which can branch out to realizing bigger picture things. Of course you can't fully trust anything, not even yourself. There is a lot of information everywhere, but its been ofusculated misunderstood and deliberately corrupted.

I've seen this line of thought from Christians too - the new age being used for the NWOs one world religion. But I don't feel like this makes sense, because I thought one of the fundamental new age ideas was the distrust of religious authorities, that information on metaphysics and occult has been forcefully supressed. I feel like labels aren't as useful as people think they are - words can be many different things to many different people, so it's the meaning behind them that matters. All major religious authorities are absolutly corrupted, often from not that long after the religions inception.

And things get muddled because there are conflicting interests at work. I thought all this vegetarianism and veganism was entirely UN Agenda 21 talk, promoting empty unhealthy carbs. But the concept makes more sense when you realize the final step is being breatharian - absorbing energy without food.

From what I've encountered that greentext post isn't accurate? Though I have no idea what 'official new age' is so it's probably be 100% right in what they've encountered, materialism and nihilism is popular after all. Where as I've only looked at random youtube videos and websites loosely connected to the concept. Though the idea of concepts, religions, promoted or corrupted as a government psyop is of course true. CIA creating or coopting hippie movmeent. The Roman Emperor Constantine was involved in shaping Christianity... etc.

To begin with Fat Budh was a nephilim. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gwPzJWNtHYE

There is the idea of "All is one, one is all.". That there is the single central point, the "godsource", from which everything is derived from. The "godsource" is the universe experiencing itself, through every individual and collective entity. So the individual is an "illusion", but on the other hand the individual does clearly exist on some level. However no matter on what level you look everything is connected. As you are connected and part of the "godsource", you can claim you are "god". You can use the connection to everything and the "godsource" to shape the world with thoughs/beliefs/prayer at some level. However everyone and everything else is "god" as well. So harming other people will infact harm you as well. There is no need to balance suffering and joy, things can get infinitely better and infinitely worse. So scarcity doesn't really exist. Concepts of "Service to self" where you improve things by helping and improving yourself and your gains, as you are "god" improving yourself will cause improvement in others. And "Service to others" where helping and improving others improves yourself.

So you could argue from this perspective that it's all just god playing a game with himself and thus it's meaningless... but I don't feel like that perspective is valid. Playing is used to learn, and video games hold significance to me so I cannot call such a thing meaningless.

conquersex ago

But I don't feel like this makes sense, because I thought one of the fundamental new age ideas was the distrust of religious authorities, that information on metaphysics and occult has been forcefully supressed.

This is precisely why they push it so strongly. so that everyone is misdirected towards the occult and looks upon the real saviour religions with distrust.

As you are connected and part of the "godsource", you can claim you are "god"

I replied to this here - https://voat.co/v/Conspiracy/2772713/14324792?context=1

Material desires do include mundane charity. The only acceptable charity is preaching to people about krishna consciousness, or charity which will enable them to discharge devotional service, since "compassion for the dress of a drowning man is senseless" (https://asitis.com/2/1.html).

Your other questions have answers which are too long. I encourage you to study Srila Prabhupada's books with an open mind. Even if you don't believe it, at least take the best from this philosophy of krishna consciousness. It has a lot of worthwhile things. I hope your attitude of being okay with committing transgressions against God changes. It will hurt your spiritual development.

ItsBad ago

When I called it a transgression I meant the possibility that "god" would consider it a transgression to refuse to serve it or acknowledge it as the most high out of distrust. I don't think that is a transgression, and I don't believe "god" would consider it a transgression either. An entity pretending to be god yes. But in the end I know nothing so I cannot say anything really. Obviously deliberately performing a transgression against "god" would accomplish nothing.