Why the New Age Movement, the Secret, and the Law of attraction is a lie and has been pushed so strongly - a krishna conscious perspective (Conspiracy)

submitted ago by conquersex

The aim of the New Age Movement, the Secret, and other such 'positive thinking = reality' groups is very nefarious. I'm sure some of them are simple motivation building programs and are harmless but the shift towards 'manifesting reality' is for many reasons.

  1. Make the people more materialistic and make them squander any spiritual gifts they may have on material desires. Make them serve material desires, fantasize and dream to that end, thus increasing their material attachment. This will lead to them committing fruitive actions and thus binding themselves, through karma, to this cycle of births and deaths (reincarnation). This way they will always be trapped in this material universe, with no chance of escaping to the spiritual universe.

  2. Pacify them. If one believes that only dreaming feverishly of a material desire will make it manifest in their lives, they will stop improving themselves. They will think that simply 'believing' in perfection will make them perfect. That simply 'believing' their reality is good will make it so. They will stop making efforts to improve their lot in life. Ultimately, when the Secret does not work for them, they will become jaded and frustrated, either thinking that they are not capable of believing in something totally (thus becoming demotivated and depressed), or thinking that it is a lie (it is), and discounting all other mysteries as hoaxes as well (many are true).

  3. Cheapening gratitude. We are supposed to have gratitude to Lord Sri Krishna, for giving us this human form of life, whose only purpose is to achieve god-realization and liberation from the material world. We are supposed to have gratitude that he has given us a chance to serve him by granting us existence as a spirit soul, his part and parcel. We are supposed to have gratitude that He exists, as a worthy object and repository of our natural feelings of affection and love. Gratitude is a very pure and unselfish emotion, unconditional and a means to deepen our relationship with God. It can be very powerful. Instead the NWO seek to pollute it with material desires, make it conditional, expecting the result of improving our life through it.

  4. Make people more lusty. According to Srila Prabhupada, the basis for this material existence is sexual desire. Most people are desiring for sex, one way or another. They either want to be rich and settled so they can host the women of their dreams, or directly desire sex. This causes them to fantasize about sex constantly. Since the Secret doesn't work (more on this later), they become sexually frustrated and we all know what that leads to. Porn, depression, feelings of unworthiness, crimes, misogyny.

  5. Make people desire to be God. Maya has two traps to keep the conditioned souls bound to the material universe. The first is the sexual desire. The second is the final trick maya plays on a nearly liberated soul - tell him/her that They are God. The Secret does the same thing. People start thinking they are vibration and they can achieve infinitely higher vibrational states through 'positive thinking' (read : desiring material desires very strongly). No doubt, there are lower and higher states of consciousness. Vibration does matter, and plays a huge part in shaping consciousness, but not in the way these people would have you believe. In any case, they start thinking that they are the God of their reality, and all they have to do is to keep themselves in a positive state, and that believing in good/bad, right/wrong, karma etc. is all negative thinking. This couldn't be further from the truth. The truth is that Lord Sri Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead, an independent, primeval, eternal being who has created all of reality, and is the Supreme Personal Absolute Truth.

  6. Make people thought police themselves. If one thinks that whatever one believes will manifest into one's reality, they will shy away from dwelling on important conspiracies and negative actions of others. Actually, doing so only makes us more knowledgeable and motivates us to develop counters and be aware of those wrongdoings, instead of somehow helping the actions by giving 'belief-power' (invented term) to them. So people are scared and pulled into two directions - to ponder over aliens or to not, to think of jews or to not, are we bringing them into our world more strongly? Am I feeding a thoughtform of Jesus Christ by thinking of him? (no he's a genuine spiritual personality, he doesn't depend on your belief to exist). So many conundrums and contradictions result from this type of painful thinking. It is very stressful.

The New Age in a nutshell - https://imgur.com/W8eRHny (although the pic rags on idol worship, which is a legitimate form of worship)

Lust, the greatest enemy - https://www.asitis.com/3/37.html

Please ask me any questions on krishna consciousness. You can get started on learning more about it by reading asitis.com completely.

Why the Secret doesn't work - Just desiring something strongly (and following the other steps, visualization, belief, gratitude, acceptance etc.) won't make it manifest in your life. Some people do get the result but that is because they deserved it. It was written according to their karma that the next 5 material desires they hold within a certain acceptable range (not 'I want to be king of the world' but small manageable stuff, of course it can be big stuff too but it needs to be supported by the karma of the individual) will be fulfilled and so the universe does provide (the demigods provide) the fulfillment of the desire. They are the success stories we read about. But ask how many of them constantly manifest whatever they wish. I'm sure their luck (karma) runs out, unless they keep doing pious deeds to deserve the enjoyment of those results.

Of course, God exists and thus impossible is a word in a fool's dictionary. There are mystic abilities which allow one to manifest one's desire but that comes from huge advancement in yoga and not at the mere whims and fancies of belief.

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Antiracist10 ago

This guy thinks he isn't God.

@eagleshigh @bojangles @sarmegahhikkitha

conquersex ago

In reference to point 5, it is not possible to become equal to or greater than God. One can attain mystic abilities and show some power, but Lord Sri Krishna will always outdo them because he is full in infinite quantity with the 6 basic opulences - wealth, fame, beauty, strength, knowledge, and renunciation. No one can ever match him. That is why He is known as the Supreme Personality of Godhead. We can merge with his impersonal Brahman effulgence (think of becoming the sunlight coming from the sun, but the sun is one) but that is an inferior form of liberation. The highest form is to render transcendental devotional service unto His divine lotus feet in a personal, loving relationship.

Please don't fall for the trap of thinking you are, or can become God, and have simply 'entered the experience' of being a powerless individual or have somehow 'forgotten that you are God'. These are mayavadi (impersonal) theories and Srila Prabhupada warned against them many times. Here is a good article on it - https://krishna.org/why-we-criticize-mayavadis/

Also, many people say that all deities are forms of the one formless God. That also comes under the above philosophy.

antiracist ago

Here is a good article on it - https://krishna.org/why-we-criticize-mayavadis/

This is one of the craziest things I've read. The cultishness is thick.

Anyone who listens to the commentary of the Mayavadi philosopher, then his fate is doomed. He is finished. He will never be able to understand bhakti philosophy. It is so poisonous. Therefore Sanatana Gosvami has warned not to hear from avaisnava about Krsna.

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Reading the Mayavadi commentaries on Vedanta-sutra is always dangerous.

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Thus the spiritual master of Lord Caitanya suggested that it is better that one not study the Sariraka-bhasya of Sankaracarya, for it is very harmful to people in general. Indeed, the common man does not even have the intelligence to penetrate into the jugglery of words. He is better advised to chant the maha-mantra: Hare Krsna, Hare Krsna, Krsna Krsna, Hare Hare/ Hare Rama, Hare Rama, Rama Rama, Hare Hare.

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Read Prabhupada’s books, don’t read anyone else’s books.

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Read Srila Prabhupada’s books at least 1-2 hours a day, chant the Hare Krishna mantra at least 16 rounds a day and strictly follow the four regulative principles: no illicit sex, no meat eating, no gambling and no intoxication…

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The only way you can unite the world is by preaching Krishna consciousness, there is no other way.

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Is it good for developing Krishna consciousness if I chant 16 rounds of mala, follow 4 regulative principles and read Srila Prabhupada’s books 1-2 hours a day?

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And read them aloud including chanting aloud the Sanskrit and Bengali verses. The verses have great spiritual power. Krishna consciousness is not achieved by thinking in the mind, it is primarily achieved by hearing and chanting.

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The minimum points are we must chant at least 16 rounds of the Hare Krishna mantra every day, we must strictly follow the four regulative principles: no illicit sex, no meat eating, no gambling and no intoxication and we must read Srila Prabhupada’s books at least 1-2 hours a day. We have to do these things sincerely and without fail every day otherwise how can we expect to control our senses and become Krishna conscious? It is not possible.

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There is no point in debating impersonalists. Krishna consciousness can not be transmitted in a debate. It has to be transmitted from a pure devotee to a submissive inquirer. One has to approach the bona fide spiritual master with respect and with the mood of being prepared to accept the answer he gives without argument.

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We are going to completely eradicate these bogus philosophies of the Mayavadis and the voidism of the Buddhists. These philosophies have caused so much trouble to the people of the world have have ushered in the current godless hedonistic civilization. So to reestablish real spiritual life the Mayavadis in particular have to be totally defeated.

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It is best to totally avoid the Mayavadis both in person and on the internet. Better to preach to the innocent.

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I will do whatever I can to help Srila Prabhupada’s mission. Even if that includes fighting mayavadis!

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Sikh’s and Christians can not go back to Godhead because they do not even know who God is. They do not even know where He lives or what He does… So these religions are giving some basic preliminary spiritual training and knowledge. But for anyone who wants to make an advanced study of spiritual life the place to do that is in the Vedic texts which culminate in the Srimad-Bhagavatam which is the principal text of the Hare Krishna movement.

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i want to blast these mayavadies

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It is because nowadays generally speaking most Indians are atheists.

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never heard of a maya-whatever philosohpie. Philosophies make no place in my mind or heart. Thank you for making knowen this stumbling block to all for seeing.I guess the prefix of maya is enough to keep me from prying. Devotion to Krishna

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The only way this karma can be changed and the suffering stopped is if the people take to Krishna consciousness by chanting:

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Because people are envious. They want to be the supreme person themselves. They do not want to think that there is any person who is above them. They do not want to surrender. So the Mayavadis say that there is no god above us, there is no authority to surrender to, just an impersonal energy and you can merge with that. And they say everyone is god. So everyone wants to be god. That is why the Mayavadi philosophy is so popular, because they tell everyone they are god themselves and they don’t have to surrender to anyone…

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I apologise I have never read much of the books. I love the picture of Krishna. I gaze upon it , more and more , and The Lord has stolen my heart.

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If we eat anything that is not first offered to Krishna then we are eating only sin. So vegetarian food that is not cooked by a devotee and not offered to Krishna is only sin.

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It does not matter what the Bible says, what the Koran says, what the Jewish scriptures say, etc. These are all scriptures of the meat eaters and as Lord Caitanya Mahaprabhu says the scriptures of the meat eaters are contradictory. So you will never get anywhere unless you are prepared to read Srila Prabhupada’s Bhagavad-gita As It Is with at least the theoretical acceptance that Krishna is the Supreme Personality of Godhead and therefore what Krishna is saying in the Bhagavad-gita is correct.

Don't read? Check.

Don't think? Check.

Mindless chanting? Check.

Prohibition of mind-expanding drugs? Check.

Total submission and uncritical acceptance of a teacher? Check.

Destruction of other religions? Check.

Congratulations, you're a cult member.

@eagleshigh @bojangles @sarmegahhikkitha

conquersex ago

You are being unfair. You have taken most of these quotes not from the article itself, but from the comments section. People write all kinds of things in the comments, is the writer of the article responsible for them? Also, Srila Prabhupada advocated logic, argument, and philosophy often. Here are some real quotes -

  1. "The whole world is being misled by the blind leaders; they are keeping the people in darkness. Our present position is that we have got this human form of life after a great evolutionary process and this is the opportunity to understand God Krishna, and revive our original consciousness without which we are sure to go back to the cycle of birth and death. Krishna Consciousness movement is trying to save the people in general, religionists and philosophers, to save them from the downfall. Opening our center means to educate people in this great science. Krishna Consciousness is not a ism or simply blind following. It is based on authority; scientific and logical."

  2. "Kavirāja Gosvāmī says, śrī-kṛṣṇa-caitanya-dayā karaha vicāra, vicāra karile citte pābe camatkāra (CC Adi 8.15): 'Just see what kind of merciful is Lord Caitanya Mahāprabhu. And if you consider it perfectly, you'll see it it wonderful.' Vicāra karile citte pābe camatkāra. 'Oh, here is Caitanya.' Caitanya. Caitanya means living force. He says vicāra. 'Just try to understand by logic, by philosophy, by argument.' That is vicāra. We are not following Caitanya Mahāprabhu blindly. That is not our position.

  3. "There are certain class of men who are simply philosophizing and there are certain class of men who are simply blindly following religious ritualistic process. So Bhagavad-gītā is combination of both. That is scientific. You should be religious, but should understand everything philosophically. Otherwise one becomes fanatic, religious fanatic. In the Caitanya-caritāmṛta it is clearly said that caitanyera dayāra kathā karaha vicāra. You people, you try to understand the gifts of Caitanya Mahāprabhu by your philosophical understanding. Not blindly, philosophically. And vicāra karile citte pāibe camatkāra. If you are actually a wise man, then you'll find it is sublime. And if you simply stick to your own religious ritualistic principles, don't try to understand the philosophy of everything, then you become a fanatic. So we should not become religious fanatics, nor dry mental speculators. Both these classes of men are dangerous. They cannot make any advance. The combination. You should be religious, but try to understand each and every line philosophically. Just like in the Bible there is the statement, 'God created this universe.' It is a fact. But because modern educated persons have not explained how God created, how the process of creation... These things are explained in the Bhāgavata, how the sky became in existence, then the air became in existence, the fire became in existence. There is a process, general graduation. Actually, God has created the world. There is no doubt about it. But because it is not philosophically explained, the modern educated persons, they don't accept. So Bhagavad-gītā you'll find everything. A combination of religious sentiments plus philosophical understanding. That is wanted."

  4. So to know God and how things are working and how it is being controlled, these things are to be known. We should not go simply by sentiment. Religious sentiment is good for persons who follow blindly. But at the present moment, people are advanced in so-called education. So Bhagavad-gītā gives you full information so that you can accept God with your reason, with your argument, with your knowledge. It is not blind following. Kṛṣṇa consciousness is not a sentiment. It is backed by knowledge and practical knowledge. Vijñāna. Jñānaṁ vijñāna-sahitam."

  5. "Bhagavad-dūtas, those who are gosvāmīs, they place everything with nyāya, or logic. Their instructions are not blind, dogmatic. Naya-kovidāḥ. Everything what is said by Kṛṣṇa or His representative, they are not dogmas. Those who are not representative of Kṛṣṇa, they will say simply dogmas. Just like in every religion there is a dogma. But in bhāgavata religion, bhāgavata-dharma, there is no dogma. Caitanya Mahāprabhu's bhāgavata-dharma, the Caitanya-caritāmṛta's author, Kṛṣṇadāsa Kavirāja Gosvāmī, says therefore that caitanyera dayāra kathā karaha vicāra (CC Adi 8.1). Vicāra means you just try to understand the gift of Lord Caitanya by logic, vicāra. Don't follow blindly. Following blindly something, that is not good. That will not stay. But one should take everything with logic. But the servants of God, they put everything in logic. Caitanyera dayāra kathā karaha vicāra. If you study the Caitanya's philosophy with logic and argument... Don't go by sentiment. The so-called missionary, they're simply bogus propaganda, without any logic. Without any logic. Just like some missionary people are propagating a man to become God. How a man can become God? There must be evidences how God incarnates. Not that somebody by worshiping a demigod becomes God. So many false propaganda is going on. That is not logical at all. So one should be intelligent to understand the philosophy of Kṛṣṇa or philosophy of Lord Caitanya with logic and argument. Don't follow blindly."

You can look here - http://www.prabhupadaconnect.com/Dont-Follow-Blindly.html - for the source of these quotes by Srila Prabhupada, founder of the 'cult' as you call it.

antiracist ago

If God is everything, then why are we not God?

Isn't it logical to say that if God is everything, then we are God?

@eagleshigh @bojangles @sarmegahhikkitha

conquersex ago

God is everything in the sense that He is the source of everything and everything exists in him. The philosophy of Lord Sri Chaitanya Mahaprabhu (the golden avatar of Krishna) is called achintya-bheda-abheda-tattva. It refers to the inconceivable oneness and difference of the Supreme Person and His energies. This is one of the key points of this theistic philosophy. As parts of God's energy, we're also equal in quality with God, but there's a vast difference in quantity. We're each infinitesimal sparks of spiritual energy, and the Supreme Person, Krishna, is the infinite, supreme source of all energies.

Some parts of the Vedas say that all beings are one with God, and others say that God is different from all beings. Vedanta philosophers have long argued back and forth about this, but Chaitanya Mahaprabhu taught that both statements are simultaneously true.

If your room has sunshine you won't say the sun is in your room, but the presence of the sun is manifest in the room. Similarly everything is an energy of God, including us. But God is different from His energy. So a stone is not Krishna, a tree is not Krishna, but they are of Krishna.

antiracist ago

When you say that the stone is not Krishna, you are saying that Krishna's reach doesn't extend to the stone, or that Krishna's identity doesn't encompass the stone.

Why should God be like that everything is of God rather than everything is God?

Isn't everything being God better than everything being of God?

@eagleshigh @bojangles @sarmegahhikkitha

conquersex ago

No because God wants to enjoy a relationship with the living entities. As for the entities without souls (stones, plastic etc.) they are merely his energies. A relationship won't be possible if everything was God because one can't have a relationship with oneself. The questions you are asking are actually very advanced topics that can't be understood unless one revives his relationship with God. There are some very fine distinctions that are only understandable by elevated vaishnavas who have experiential knowledge and not mere mental speculation. I myself don't claim to understand this perfectly. Also, God, being limitless, can never be understood perfectly. Many aspects of Him will remain inconceivable. I just want to enlighten people about the absolute reality as it stands.

antiracist ago

No because God wants

God does not want.

to enjoy a relationship with the living entities.

Why is a perfect being having a relationship with imperfect beings better than a relationshipless perfect being?

experiential knowledge and not mere mental speculation.

Why is experience a more reliable guide to truth than reason?

God, being limitless, can never be understood perfectly.

Can God, in his omniscience, understand Himself perfectly?

@TwitterBannedIt @eagleshigh @bojangles @sarmegahhikkitha