It was pretty easy to jump on the band wagon and become a holocaust denier, because it seemed so obvious. Not to mention them darned Jews, right? But something never sat right with me, something along the lines of if it was so obvious why are deniers a minority.
So I did a bunch of research independent of any forums, because let's face it any one on a forum already has an axe to grind.
In the end I really did have to agree that:
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Deniers cherrypick. I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of war related documentation there is available and deniers only ever seem to use the few bits that suit their purpose, and then they beat that like a kettle drum.
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Overwhelming evidence about the gas chambers NOT being gas chambers turned out to not be so overwhelming afterall. Again deniers seem to only use evidence or methodology that suited their objectives.
So either the Jewish conspiracy is so huge and well funded that they are able to perpetuate a hoax of a scale grander than I can even imagine. Or there actually is a lot of truth there. I do remain open to any new information on or approaches to the subject however.
Anyhow, am I the only one?
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Gringojones ago
You have found evidence that supports 6 million?
GoddammitMrNoodle ago
Only that the official narrative -- ie. 6 mill give or take -- seems well supported, certainly better supported than the opposing view that's it's only 300K or whatever. If I'm being lied to I have no way of knowing, but that applies to both sides.
benjitsu ago
Can you give a really brief over view of "supported"? The best I have heard is that a Russian general gave the number directly out of his ass
GoddammitMrNoodle ago
At the risk of being skewered r/history has a shit tonne of holocaust readmes that are mostly very readable. The nbrs there pretty much mirror other 'official sources' that I generally found less accessable, so for simplicity's sake just go to reddit.
FWIW r/history doesn't accept any denialism whatsoever; as far as they're concerned the issue is settled well beyond any reasonable doubt. But at least they go to lengths to defend their position. Whether you believe them or not is up to you of course, but that doesn't mean the info there isn't worth reading.
benjitsu ago
To be honest I think the total ban on questioning the narrative is what makes the kooks come out more. To pretend like history isn't written by the winners and is without bias is dangerous, as we are seeing. We have people fighting "nazis" in the street calling themselves antifa when the communist ideals they are espousing killed 20 million under Stalin (more than three times Hitler's jew count if we grant that number). The main point is that it would be easier to find more honest, middle ground if there wasn't a weird lobby about this genocide in particular.