It was pretty easy to jump on the band wagon and become a holocaust denier, because it seemed so obvious. Not to mention them darned Jews, right? But something never sat right with me, something along the lines of if it was so obvious why are deniers a minority.
So I did a bunch of research independent of any forums, because let's face it any one on a forum already has an axe to grind.
In the end I really did have to agree that:
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Deniers cherrypick. I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of war related documentation there is available and deniers only ever seem to use the few bits that suit their purpose, and then they beat that like a kettle drum.
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Overwhelming evidence about the gas chambers NOT being gas chambers turned out to not be so overwhelming afterall. Again deniers seem to only use evidence or methodology that suited their objectives.
So either the Jewish conspiracy is so huge and well funded that they are able to perpetuate a hoax of a scale grander than I can even imagine. Or there actually is a lot of truth there. I do remain open to any new information on or approaches to the subject however.
Anyhow, am I the only one?
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Simpleusername ago
Quite the contrary. The Germans kept impeccable records and even tattooed their prisoners to keep an accurate catalogue. During the Nuremberg trials, those records were used against the awful Germans. 635,000 jews were interned. 60,000est were "slaughtered" with at least half dying of malnutrition when the efficient German machine was stopped. Prison guards left their post and the timid jew sat starving until rescued by the benevolent white man. Keep doing research...or get a better script. Your shit is weak and wrong.
GoddammitMrNoodle ago
Yes these are the numbers deniers trot out, but other sources say otherwise. My point is that it's no longer a slam dunk for me. The death camps in Poland is where the bulk of the killing is claimed to have taken place and there is literally tonnes of supporting evidence. Beyond claiming, without proof that I can see, that the Jews and their cronies planted it all how do you discount it?
bb22 ago
“Other sources say otherwise.” Why is there such a difference in the first place? Don’t you think that’s odd? Kind of two completely different stories told by the data, isn’t it?
What’s your alternative theory to explain that, if you think the Holocaust may have been real? Perhaps you think some Nazis survived and forged and inserted fake evidence into the record without detection, instead of the Jews doing it?
GoddammitMrNoodle ago
Saying that I don't know what the truth is is NOT the same as saying the Jews are behind it. I mean I previously had been prepared to accept that it was mostly the result of Jew lies and manipulation, but when I saw even a small portion of the amount of supporting evidence it really made me re-think my position. And no I didn't 'see' it, but rather had to go off the word of several experts. Call me a fool if you must but it was compelling enough to make me doubt, that's all.
And no I don't think it's odd that two different 'realities' come from the same data. It's all about interpretation afterall. This is why science is so easy to fake and why independent verification is important. If only it was so simple for history. But 10,000 reasoned historians vs. 1000 deniers who, frankly, have a tendency to be combative and cherry pick is a strong argument though (pulled those nbrs out of my ass, have no idea what they are in reality but my point stands)
bb22 ago
My major is in history. There are more historian holocaust “deniers” than you apparently realize. It’s just not easy to be vocal for obvious reasons of academic censorship. Professors tend to use coded terms and winks and nods. No one who has honestly studied the primary sources can come away confident of 6 million anything.
GoddammitMrNoodle ago
This is the sort of thing I tried to find but was unsuccessful AKA dissenting views that don't come across as the rantings of lunatics. I get that it's difficult but if you can provide any of these sources I'd appreciate it. Cheers!
bb22 ago
Look at the people they've taken to court in the UK and Canada. One guy went to Germany and secretly took samples from the buildings and returned to Canada to do tests on it, if I remember correctly, and they took him to court. I think Germany wanted him extradited so they could try him. A couple of searches should turn these guys up and the work they've published.
Everyone has their own angle on it, and focuses on one item or another at the expense of everything else. I don't know of any encyclopedic takes on the subject.
GoddammitMrNoodle ago
That guy's (forget the name) analysis is kinda famous and one of the linchpins in denier's toolbox. There's a video on it. Anyhow it seems pretty convincing except that a deeper look at the methodology used calls the results into question. But again we have nothing but 2nd and 3th hand versions of the events to go from so what the actual truth is is any one's guess.
But as you allude it should be child's play to run the tests again and this time 'do it right', but good luck with that because of how hard it it to question the narrative. TBH the more time I spend thinking about the holocaust the more I'm inclined to turn my back on the whole mess.