HAE joined VOAT, become a holocaust denier, then done independent research and stopped being a denier? (Conspiracy)

submitted ago by GoddammitMrNoodle

It was pretty easy to jump on the band wagon and become a holocaust denier, because it seemed so obvious. Not to mention them darned Jews, right? But something never sat right with me, something along the lines of if it was so obvious why are deniers a minority.

So I did a bunch of research independent of any forums, because let's face it any one on a forum already has an axe to grind.

In the end I really did have to agree that:

  1. Deniers cherrypick. I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of war related documentation there is available and deniers only ever seem to use the few bits that suit their purpose, and then they beat that like a kettle drum.

  2. Overwhelming evidence about the gas chambers NOT being gas chambers turned out to not be so overwhelming afterall. Again deniers seem to only use evidence or methodology that suited their objectives.

So either the Jewish conspiracy is so huge and well funded that they are able to perpetuate a hoax of a scale grander than I can even imagine. Or there actually is a lot of truth there. I do remain open to any new information on or approaches to the subject however.

Anyhow, am I the only one?

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Tallest_Skil ago

Sorry @Crensch but this dipshit needs to be put in his place, and I don’t seem to have your standard disproof link anymore.

It was pretty easy to jump on the band wagon and become a holocaust denier

Yeah, facts will do that to you.

But something never sat right with me

About the holocaust.

something along the lines of if it was so obvious why are deniers a minority.

Not an argument. Appeal to authority. Appeal to majority. Appeal to popularity. Do you know anything about continental drift?

So I did a bunch of research independent of any forums

Such as purchasing a 1947 Encyclopedia Britannica to see that it makes absolutely no mention whatsoever of any holocaust, any genocide, and only says “thousands died in Nazi work camps”?

Oh, no, you didn’t do that.

I really did have to agree that:

Truth is not a matter of agreement. No one cares what you agreed with.

  1. Deniers cherrypick.

Doesn’t happen. Fuck off.

I was overwhelmed by the sheer volume of war related documentation there is

So overwhelmed, in fact, that you likely didn’t read any of it. You didn’t read the Bletchley Park Decryptions* which show that there was no genocide planned, ordered, or carried out by any Germans anywhere, much less in the camps, and also shows that only 60,000 died at Auschwitz of typhus and malnutrition. You also didn’t read the post-Cold War German documents captured by the Soviets that were released, which show the same.

deniers only ever seem to use the few bits that suit their purpose

No, you’re thinking of jews. Such as when the Shoah Foundation only publicized the interviews that said it happened, and hid all the ones where the jews talk about “wow the beer we could buy was so watery” and “oy vey I had to draw the musical notation lines onto the paper they gave me because they didn’t have special musical paper already made!”

  1. Overwhelming evidence about the gas chambers NOT being gas chambers turned out to not be so overwhelming afterall.

Except, you know, for the forensic evidence that proves they didn’t exist. And the physical impossibility of moving the gas in that fashion. And the physical impossibility of venting the room. And the physical impossibility of burning the bodies before they rotted. And the physical impossibility of burning that many bodies in the timeframe allotted. And the physical impossibility of burning ANY bodies WITHOUT FUEL, THAT ALLIED SPY RAIDS SHOW NEVER EXISTED.

Again deniers seem to only use evidence or methodology that suited their objectives.

Isn’t it funny how you refuse to substantiate any of your claims here?

So either the Jewish conspiracy is so huge and well funded that they are able to perpetuate a hoax of a scale grander than I can even imagine.

YES. THAT IS WHAT IS HAPPENING. You are saying “HURR DURR I TOO SMART TO BE FOOLED (because i say so) THEREFORE IT NO HAPPEN HURRRRRRRR” and thinking yourself a literal fucking god. You’re a solipsist of the highest degree. “I am the smartest being in the universe and anything which contradicts my experiences is not real.”

Or there actually is a lot of truth there.

There is no truth to any aspect of the holocaust narrative. “The camps existed and jews were put there” isn’t part of the narrative, because that has nothing to do with “a holocaust.” You know that words have definitions, right? “Holocaust” is a biblical term. Specifically, a Torahic one. Noah offered a holocaust unto the Lord when he got off the boat. Says it right in the Bible. Now what the fuck do you think THAT means, kiddo? Noah killed 6 million of his fellow kikes right then and there? But I thought that there weren’t too many left? Hmm… Maybe it means “A SACRIFICE BY FIRE”, as the jews did with animals millennia ago, and with Christian children today.

So “the holocaust” narrative means “being put into ovens and burned.” But we know that didn’t happen. So the holocaust didn’t happen.

Post something of substance if you’re not a coward or paid shill, so that we can set you straight.

GoddammitMrNoodle ago

Yeah this pretty much sums up deniers for me: attitude before substance. I'm not saying you do, or don't for that matter, have anything of value to say but it comes across as Fuck You Fight Me.

Something substantive: Okay, the researcher who found veery low amounts of CN in the concrete taken from the wall of the 'gas chamber' at I forget where. Okay, except that the lab that did the testing was given no instructions beyond what the CN content, and they pulverised the sample diluting it significantly. So is that a complete fabrication or does it in fact draw his conclusion into question?

And no I didn't make any claims, on purpose. My post was only ot ask if I the only one to change his mind back. I remain open to new info on both sides.

I never heard of Bletchley Park Decryptions per se, though I assume you mean the Enimga cypher which the Allies figured out and according to what I read indicates they knew about the death camps early on. You would indicate it's a different story however. So who do I believe?

I'm not shilling for the Jews; rather I'm no longer shilling for deniers.

Tallest_Skil ago

Yeah this pretty much sums up deniers for me: attitude before substance.

Where’s your substance, dipshit? You posted nothing; you expected us to reply to it? I posted substance; where’s your refutation of it?

Fuck You Fight Me.

Fuck you, jewish shill. You deign to perpetuate my genocide.

Okay, the researcher who found veery low amounts of CN in the concrete taken from the wall of the 'gas chamber' at I forget where. Okay, except that the lab that did the testing was given no instructions beyond what the CN content, and they pulverised the sample diluting it significantly.

So go take another one. The building is right there.

So is that a complete fabrication or does it in fact draw his conclusion into question?

How about you read the 30 handbooks of forensic evidence and get back to us, then? The answer is right there.

And no I didn't make any claims, on purpose.

How about that. Just like the jews; always nebulous, never settling on anything definite.

My post was only ot ask if I the only one to change his mind back.

Why should we believe you ever changed in the first place?

I never heard of Bletchley Park Decryptions per se, though I assume you mean the Enimga cypher

Bletchley Park was the place in Britain where the transmissions were intercepted/recorded.

according to what I read indicates they knew about the death camps early on.

Funny how they never show up in the actual transmissions, then, huh?

So who do I believe?

The truth. People don’t matter, dipshit. There is no reference to “death camps”, “genocide”, or any number of deaths greater than 250,000 for any reason other than wartime maladies in the actual decryptions themselves.

I'm not shilling for the Jews

You are INHERENTLY doing this by shilling a lie.

GoddammitMrNoodle ago

This may come as a surprise but you're not helping. 'Course that's exactly what a shill would say, right?

Tallest_Skil ago

Still not an argument. Why can’t you reply to what’s being discussed? Why can’t you answer my questions? Why can’t you account for any of your claims?

GoddammitMrNoodle ago

To be clear I never wanted to debate the issue -- re-read my original post because you clearly think otherwise. I don't really have any reply to your questions because #1 I cannot speak to them with any sort of authority, and 2. I no longer necessarily believe many claims made by deniers. I read through that link you posted and everything sounded 100% air tight. But I've also read alternative versions of the situation at Auschwitz-Birkenau that not only also sounded 100% but looks at it from a larger perspective, which speaks to my earlier comments about cherry picking. But to be clear I am not trying to make an argument here, never have. I just was interested if anyone else had stepped away from holocaust denial, as I had. That's it. Period.

There is no doubt in my mind that some very shady shit has happened in the name of Holocaust, and continues to do so. The question is, of course, but what exactly.

Did 6 million-ish die as a result of Nazis? Yeah it was probably something like that. Were they all done in gas chambers? Nope, definitely not. And, always, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

Tallest_Skil ago

To be clear I never wanted to debate the issue

Just like jews. Too bad for you, then.

I don't really have any reply to your questions

That’s clear.

because #1 I cannot speak to them with any sort of authority

YOU’RE STILL FUCKING APPEALING TO AUTHORITY WHEN YOU, PERSONALLY, ARE BEING ASKED?! HOW JEWISH ARE YOU?

I no longer necessarily believe many claims made by deniers.

… THAT’S WHY YOU’RE BEING ASKED.

not only also sounded 100%

The problem is with YOUR PERSONAL COMPREHENSION, not with reality. The reality is that the holocaust did not happen in any form, period.

but looks at it from a larger perspective, which speaks to my earlier comments about cherry picking.

So… no. There is no “larger perspective”, there is no cherry picking, and you can’t even cite your claim. THE REALITY IS AS FOLLOWS:

  1. Jews base their lives on numerology.
  2. Jews want to steal the Holy Land.
  3. Jews convince (threaten, steal, coerce, etc.) their puppet empire to declare the Holy Land as jewish soil.
  4. This has absolutely no power or force since said empire doesn’t control it, so the jews lie to another nation to get them involved in a war which will GIVE control of the Holy Land to said empire.
  5. Still not enough, though. No numbers involved.
  6. Another war is created, this time with a fake genocide where fake numbers can be created
  7. Now there’s physical justification (puppet empire owns the land), numerological justification (oy vey muh numbers!), and ideological “justification” (HOW HORRIBLE IT’S A GENOCIDE WE ARE SPECIAL WE ARE BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE GIVE US THIS LAND BECAUSE GENOCIDE HAPPENED BECAUSE WE SAY SO) for a jewish state.

That is the reason for “the holocaust.” Period. There is no other reason. It’s an invention. This is the “larger perspective.”

I am not trying to make an argument here

That’s clear.

I just was interested if anyone else had stepped away from holocaust denial

Why would they?

as I had

More like you never denied it in the first place.

Did 6 million-ish die as a result of Nazis? Yeah it was probably something like that

This is proven false by the jews’ own admission. This is proven false by the number of jews living in Nazi-occupied Europe. You have absolutely fucking nothing to go on.

Were they all done in gas chambers? Nope

Zero of them were, in fact.

And, always, the truth lies somewhere in the middle.

“HURRRRRRRRRRR DURRRRRRRRRRR MUH HORSHOFEEREE”

You’re fucking done. You’re clinically insane.