look at the context. during a job you are being compensated to do something other than preach your views. so yes, during that time you have no first amendment because you agreed to that fact.
its in the NFL rulebook actually. parton the wall of text:
The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the NFL League Rulebook. It states: “The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. “During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition... ...It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.”
From Legal Information Institute:
The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem.
(b) Conduct During Playing: During a rendition of the national anthem: (1) When the flag is displayed (A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; (B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and (C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heard, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and (2) When the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
Christ, that is scary. All trolling aside that is the kind of weird, creepy thing you expect in North Korea, not The USA.
But why does it specifically say that "individuals in uniform should give the military salute..."? Since they aren't part of the game or part of NFL, how is that enforceable?
I don't give a shit about your rationale. If the first amendment isn't prized culturally in a private sphere, then it is completely useless. 99% of our interaction with other humans occurs while we are working. It wouldn't be impossible for us as a society to learn to not be offended by words that we don't like and all your cute little theory does ultimately is reinforce the legitimacy of being outraged by words and restricting their use.
well, I suggest you bring up your views to people at work and see what happens. theres what you want to see and then theres the real world. And simply put the boss has every right to shit can someone doing something that isnt their job on company time.
well, I suggest you bring up your views to people at work and see what happens.
and I suggest you dive head first off a cliff you anti-speech retard.
theres what you want to see and then theres the real world.
Thanks for pointing out the obvious, einstein. If you didn't have a room temp IQ, you would have understood I was talking about what ought to be, not what is. All you're saying is that what is is the only thing that can be, which is why you're such a useless retard
no, im saying that when someone pays you millions of dollars to play football you play football. not make pizza, not drive a car, not give out your political views.
besides, the entire ceremony is about patriotism, not politics. the kapernicks of the world (check out how his gilrfriend is sometime for an idea why he kneels) dont even know what they are doing.
You just don't get it. I think it's because you're one of those mindless political partisans that isn't capable of any real thought. You've memorized a position and all you can do is parrot it.
Yes, when someone is paying you, you don't have the right to use your job as your free speech platform. However, an argument like yours is just being a house nigger for authoritarianism and arguing how holy and good it is that our right to speech is taken from us in almost every venue available.You're arguing for the same goal of eradication of speech as antifa, you're just using an argument that is more appealing to conservatives.
There is no reason why as a society we couldn't learn that a person's speech is their own and not their employers and to hold the value that though they dislike that speech, the employer isn't to blame and it isn't inappropriate for the employee to say it just because they are on the clock. That is the kind of values we need to develop if we want to perpetuate free speech. You're defending the values that have as the inevitable end result the elimination of free speech entirely. If people like you had your way, we'd have a complete and unabridged right to freedom of speech, but only when there are no humans around that can hear it.
We take offense at everything because we are trained to. get the liberals out of the schools and stop training people to hate speech and work towards freedom of speech at work and everywhere else we may find ourselves. It's only when we are free to speak in meaningful arenas that freedom of speech has any value.
Yes, when someone is paying you, you don't have the right to use your job as your free speech platform.
This would suggest you acknowledge you CANNOT do something like spout on about your opinion to someone during work hours.
but then you said:
There is no reason why customers couldn't learn that a person's speech is their own and not their employers and to hold the value that though they dislike that speech, the employer isn't to blame and it isn't inappropriate for the employee to say it just because they are on the clock.
which means you are literally doing double-think, you mindless dolt. either you CAN spout your bullshit logic to someone as per your second point or you CANNOT as per your first.
theres no solution necessary. if you take a job to make pizzas for 3 hours at x per hour, then thats what you are expected to do during those three hours.
think of it as literally renting out your time. that means someone bought it. it isnt yours during that time. if you want to get political then by all means do so, on your own time
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lestermacgurdy ago
fuck off. I'd rather you be damned
englishwebster ago
look at the context. during a job you are being compensated to do something other than preach your views. so yes, during that time you have no first amendment because you agreed to that fact.
mightnotbearobot ago
Since when is standing up for a song considered part of the job? Is it in the contract? Is it against the law?
englishwebster ago
its in the NFL rulebook actually. parton the wall of text:
The specific rule pertaining to the national anthem is found on pages A62-63 of the NFL League Rulebook. It states: “The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem. “During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition... ...It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.” From Legal Information Institute: The composition consisting of the words and music known as the Star-Spangled Banner is the national anthem. (b) Conduct During Playing: During a rendition of the national anthem: (1) When the flag is displayed (A) individuals in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the anthem and maintain that position until the last note; (B) members of the Armed Forces and veterans who are present but not in uniform may render the military salute in the manner provided for individuals in uniform; and (C) all other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heard, and men not in uniform, if applicable, should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart; and (2) When the flag is not displayed, all present should face toward the music and act in the same manner they would if the flag were displayed.
mightnotbearobot ago
Christ, that is scary. All trolling aside that is the kind of weird, creepy thing you expect in North Korea, not The USA.
But why does it specifically say that "individuals in uniform should give the military salute..."? Since they aren't part of the game or part of NFL, how is that enforceable?
englishwebster ago
maybe thats why they put in "should". im guessing the military has their own rulebook when it comes to civic events like these
lestermacgurdy ago
I don't give a shit about your rationale. If the first amendment isn't prized culturally in a private sphere, then it is completely useless. 99% of our interaction with other humans occurs while we are working. It wouldn't be impossible for us as a society to learn to not be offended by words that we don't like and all your cute little theory does ultimately is reinforce the legitimacy of being outraged by words and restricting their use.
englishwebster ago
well, I suggest you bring up your views to people at work and see what happens. theres what you want to see and then theres the real world. And simply put the boss has every right to shit can someone doing something that isnt their job on company time.
lestermacgurdy ago
and I suggest you dive head first off a cliff you anti-speech retard.
Thanks for pointing out the obvious, einstein. If you didn't have a room temp IQ, you would have understood I was talking about what ought to be, not what is. All you're saying is that what is is the only thing that can be, which is why you're such a useless retard
englishwebster ago
no, im saying that when someone pays you millions of dollars to play football you play football. not make pizza, not drive a car, not give out your political views.
besides, the entire ceremony is about patriotism, not politics. the kapernicks of the world (check out how his gilrfriend is sometime for an idea why he kneels) dont even know what they are doing.
lestermacgurdy ago
You just don't get it. I think it's because you're one of those mindless political partisans that isn't capable of any real thought. You've memorized a position and all you can do is parrot it.
Yes, when someone is paying you, you don't have the right to use your job as your free speech platform. However, an argument like yours is just being a house nigger for authoritarianism and arguing how holy and good it is that our right to speech is taken from us in almost every venue available.You're arguing for the same goal of eradication of speech as antifa, you're just using an argument that is more appealing to conservatives.
There is no reason why as a society we couldn't learn that a person's speech is their own and not their employers and to hold the value that though they dislike that speech, the employer isn't to blame and it isn't inappropriate for the employee to say it just because they are on the clock. That is the kind of values we need to develop if we want to perpetuate free speech. You're defending the values that have as the inevitable end result the elimination of free speech entirely. If people like you had your way, we'd have a complete and unabridged right to freedom of speech, but only when there are no humans around that can hear it.
We take offense at everything because we are trained to. get the liberals out of the schools and stop training people to hate speech and work towards freedom of speech at work and everywhere else we may find ourselves. It's only when we are free to speak in meaningful arenas that freedom of speech has any value.
englishwebster ago
first you said:
This would suggest you acknowledge you CANNOT do something like spout on about your opinion to someone during work hours.
but then you said:
which means you are literally doing double-think, you mindless dolt. either you CAN spout your bullshit logic to someone as per your second point or you CANNOT as per your first.
lestermacgurdy ago
no, it means you're too stupid to understand what I said. Beat it. we're done here.
carlip ago
Then its up to the employer to find a solution not the fucking government.
englishwebster ago
theres no solution necessary. if you take a job to make pizzas for 3 hours at x per hour, then thats what you are expected to do during those three hours.
think of it as literally renting out your time. that means someone bought it. it isnt yours during that time. if you want to get political then by all means do so, on your own time