Look man, I dunno if you're being sincere or facetious, but given that this is the internet, I know what the most likely answer is. I've done both shrooms and acid a couple of times, and this is my honest appraisal of the experience. I could google Ego Death if I really wanted to, but I don't see any reason to. Sounds like a bunch of psychological mumbo jumbo that I really don't care about.
I have seen people at $60-120 a day. Clinics help. Though. They do test for thc, but their are work arounds. To prevent having doses taken down which blocks opioids. Smoking is the best medication though for a lot of people/anxiety/depression/ptsd/pain... etc.. so it's a catch 22 for a lot of states.
Never got that... clinic hours are terrible. At the end of the day though: daily income - daily cost (clinic is probably way cheaper). Subtract that from the hours worked.
Yes. The purest "ego death" of all. The single defining trip though I did do another. It was on my own it began the journey as I had never read about it and it was the culmation and final stage of learning to see the psychedelic rainbow geometric realm and focus point as at that time I was using say once every two weeks for about 3 months or so and the seeing developed and became clearer.
There is no room for senses and especially thought to "enter" what is really a void. To enter there must be no ego thus and to be not in awe the moment it happens. To be in awe is to describe what your are looking at so is not in or of you. Like saying oh it's so beautiful seperates you from it kinda.
So the culmation trip is I took 3 blue microdots that take about 20 minutes to completely dilute on the tongue. Then smoke a tad tiny bit of pot. Then as I started I noticed that I saw more in the dark. When I closed my eyes after some time this time it was sooo more real. The colors and a fountain that slowly started to fall or more like I began to hover above and I fell into it's center and spell moving in waves of pure geometric void energy. The color was insane beautiful. The self became godhead, pure consciousness as I left my self. It was in a bar the song was Sympathy for the Devil. When the music started to come back and I regained ego conscious my head was humming and energy was streaming out the top. My hands were energy. Everybody was staring at me and I was pouring fucking tears man. Every body was like fuuccckkkkhhh because they knew somehow. My girlfriend was too. I got up and just weaved through the night and was so pure in movement. I became and am still a true believer in the power of LSD even though I stopped taking it years ago as it gave me all I needed to see and learn from it. I drew two drawings to honor it that took a few 100 hours each.
Imagine fractals but fractals of the soul, the beingness of nothing. It is real and a thing. It has a spirit taste to it which is impossible to describe really though I try.
Seeking ego death is impossible. It's something that happens, or it doesn't, but looking for it is more ego. I've never experienced it, and I've tried high doses of pretty much everything (even "research chemicals"), but someone I trust very much has, before we even knew what it was, and I was there. He was godly, man.
i think the phrase ego death is self aggrandizing shit, but i used to be depressed and i think it was in a selfish, self important way, now i'm just happy
I dunno. I have no idea what ego death is. I do know that after each of my experiences with psychedelics, i came away with a different view of myself and who I wanted to be and how I could get there. I've also noted a marked improvement on my overall quality of life, general happiness, and how others in my day to day life view me.
All I ever do on mushrooms is laugh and bang my girlfriend over and over. I get so fucking horny on shrooms. I'm atheist so I don't believe in a god and I dislike people claiming shrooms do all this spiritual nonsense and psychological nonsense. It's a good medicine that's helped me become happy and more centered but you will only find god if your looking for that dumb shit.
exactly... terrifying as everything you think you know shatters and you have to absorb a new reality. Then you realize everything is just some sort of cycle and it's beautiful. :)
Yes... true story... was living in LA... a friend gave my a bag of shrooms, she said to eat it with potato chips. I ate the entire bag (I guess I was only supposed to eat a small amount.) I wrapped myself in a white sheet and went and talked to the sun... no joke. I sat in the garden staring up into the sun for about 45 minutes. I spoke with the sun, it's alive/conscious. It is both male/female. Quite a complex entity. After that I completely changed as a person... stopped caring about what others thought of me, stopped being afraid of dying and yes, quelled the ego. I did salvia once and lived an entire lifetime as a gummy bear in a disney themed world. The world started turning like the pages of a book... I was falling from dimension to dimension. I became quite humbled of my existence afterwards. There are multiple realities/dimensions (I believe.) The most terrifying part was realizing I was disconnected to my Earth body and getting back to it was a terrifying as I had to remember who I was again for a moment... I had momentarily forgotten who I was and all my memories, yet I could fully recall hundreds of years of living as other being which occurred in the 10 minute period I was "out" on the salvia. I can not explain what happened and perhaps my mind is just playing tricks on me, but I can recall memories I should not have. Salvia is some crazy stuff.
I was on mushrooms and meditating next to a stream. In the background was the mountains, covered in snow. During those moments I lost my fear of death, and came to terms that life is a cycle that no one can escape. I now live more in the present than ever.
Ego death is nothing more than the true and honest realization that you will die. Psychedelics can do that because they strip away the layers of bullshit.
Third time I did mushrooms. Truly religious experience and my ego death. I am not religious in any organized sense but it seems to be the only word that fits for the experience I had. Agree, it only happens once. Once you are able to experience something like that, walling yourself up again is not typical.
Without getting into the hard to describe perceptual and mystical effects, acid sees to me like a sort of flow-enhancer. It enables you to get on a super improbable streak of thought connections, comedic timing, athletic feats and things like that, and one kind of streak you can get on is the "spiritual realization", or "transcendence" streak that will take you to some amazing places.
I would like to try DMT again. The first time I did it I was feeling kind of weak physically and it hit me so fast I wasn't able to even smoke it very effectively before I was lightyears away. On your ego death trip did you experience any of the "adventure" aspect some people seem to report, like seeing beings, cities, other places etc., or was it just a pure inconceivable psychedelic zone kind of thing?
When you get overwhelmed with the pain and shadow, pull out the Tool album 'Lateralus' and take a listen, it will improve your mood, and improve any psychedelic experience.
Haven't ever come across such an existentially uplifting album. 💖
Noted. I may try it some time, though I don't really feel any need to do any psychedelics or try anything new at the moment. Would you compare anything about it to psilocybin, LSD, or DMT? Also, what level of extract would you recommend?
I don't know what ego really means, but my identity became fluid to me. Not that gender shit or anything
simple, but that I have trouble separating myself from strangers, for both good and ill. I feel emotionally connected to
every goddamn living thing, and while its brought a lot of crazy adventure and love into my life, it's a curse.
Every joy is my joy, but so is every pain, and holy shit, there's a lot of fucking pain.
If Ego Death refers to ones willingness (or unwillingness) to give up the pursuit of vain self interests and truly believe they are not the centre kf their own universe and that we are all as equal to one another as we are too cats and dogs too.
Then yes, i did experience that after my first time smoking DMT.
Life was never the same after that night. And the subsequent times afterwards where i used DMT and other psychotics added clarity to what i had first seen that night.
However psylocibin and LSD are different experiences.
The most profound of all experiences throughout my "experience with drugs" has been with DMT.
I highly recommend but also condemn DMT. It is not a drug for the weak of mind. It is not a drug for the weak of spirit.
I mean, you can say "yes it's good" but that's definitely not true in general. I've heard multiple stories from people who have a lot of experience with strong psychedelics about salvia being an absolute nightmare. From what I gather this is the most common perspective on the substance by a pretty wide margin.
Well plenty of people realize that without psychidelics. What you described is just our modern standard scientific understanding of how matter, space etc. work.
This definition from Timothy Leary is better, albeit a bit hard to understand:
Ego loss is complete transcendence − beyond words, beyond space−time, beyond self. There are no visions, no sense of self, no thoughts. There are only pure awareness and ecstatic freedom from all game (and biological) involvements. ["Games" are behavioral sequences defined by roles, rules, rituals, goals, strategies, values, language, characteristic space−time locations and characteristic patterns of movement. Any behavior not having these nine features is non− game: this includes physiological reflexes, spontaneous play, and transcendent awareness.
Or another definition:
Ego death is the cessation, in the intense mystic altered state, of the sense and feeling of being a control-wielding agent moving through time and space. The sensation of wielding control is replaced by the experience of being helplessly, powerlessly embedded in spacetime as purely a product of spacetime, with control-thoughts being perceptibly inserted or set into the stream of thought by a hidden, uncontrollable source.
So your definiton is correct, but an understatement in my opinion. It's more intense than that but I understand that it's hard to put in words.
That's the power of psychedelics and exposing your brain to think in ways you naturally wouldn't. It's been about 4 months I got some mazapatec shroomies I'll be taking tonight most likely 😋🍄
You are humbled by the universe and everything's existence. You notice a connection to everything while seeing how so many things are insignificant at the same time. Then the peak is gone and days later you're either back to your old self or a changed person
I ate about 16g of shrooms over 1.5hrs because I was curious when i was 16(young and stupid) and broke my wrist climbing in through a window haha. I couldn't even understand English or see farther then 5 feet in front of me when we were walking around outside. After I snaped my wrist coming in through a window(lol sneaking so parents didn't know we were out.) Breaking the bone instantly took me out of it. Broken bone is pretty good way to trip end fast haha.
I did experience about 3-4 hours and a shit ton of puking around the 3 hour mark before I rboke my wrist though. Never been the same person since haha. When you get that far out its almost like you just cease to exist and its scary at first but my mind is pretty strong willed and i just embraced it which brings about a serene feeling. Kind of weird was scared of going inside and tripping inside because i was tripping so hard that I managed to break my wrist and end my trip. Spooky synchronicity haha. I have to way many synchronicities on psychedelics.
Think of person you saw earlier at concert: they appear seeming out of nowhere in a crowd of 5k people. This will happen with the same person 2-3 times never actually saying a word to them. Tons of weird meaningful coincidence. I have had many more events in my earlier days of exploration. Mostly meditate now as I don't feel I can gain much more from psychedelics. I have gained tons of personal growth but there is a limit to what psychedelics can do and they are mostly shitty research chemicals nowadays(no growth). It was time to hit the books and go to college.
I used to do that. I think it was wrong. People will do things when it's time for them to do them. If someone asks me what I think about a certain drug or whether it's safe or a good idea to do it, I'll tell them my true opinion, which may be positive or negative. But evangelizing drug use and trying to get people to do things they're not inclined to do and not ready for is a bad idea I think.
I would say the ego destruction part happens every time to varying degrees. The first time you experience this it could be quite disconcerting as your mind will no longer be exerting energy trying to maintain the false ego. If you are all wrapped up in yourself, this may be an unwelcome feeling. I'd try some guided meditation as a prelude so that you get used to the one-ness of your environment.
No and I think most people who use the phrase "ego death" to describe their experiences are just throwing it around without any understanding of what it might mean or what it might have meant to the people who popularized the term. Most people who I've heard use the term have not been very intelligent, and have used it casually like it's just something that happens whenever you take a normal dose of whatever kind of psychedelic. I think it's also unhelpful that the word ego has very different meanings, both of which could apply to some aspect of psychedelic experience. Ego can mean an arrogant, self absorbed characteristic of the personality, or, as the people who popularized "ego death" probably meant by it, the first person, self-identified perspective.
I've experienced some states that were so bizarre and inconceivable and of a completely other kind from the mundane state of mind that it's completely impossible to communicate anything about them (if you want to get some idea of a state like that, a very easy, low risk, low cost way is nitrous oxide, i.e. whippets, from a cartridge, with a cracker. You can easily get completely out of your body and unable to process information or understand your own perspective in any kind of normal way with a single whippet. That being said, I don't encourage anyone to do drugs. If you want to do them, do them, if you don't, don't. Make your own decisions.) but even in the most confusing states, and even in states with an explicit sense of identification with things outside myself, including sober meditation experiences, the fact that I am having a first person oriented experience always remains there at some level. I'm sure people end up in states where that's not the case but I think it's probably pretty rare and/or accompanied by an inability to remember the event.
I took somewhere between a quarter-to-a-half ounce of mushrooms, once, have an IQ of ~140 depending on who's test you ask, and am decently well-read in psychological theory: yes, I've experienced 100%, unfiltered, unabashed, undeniable ego death. I became the universe. I became existence itself. "I" was not "myself". There was no "I". The concept of "I" became a silly joke, laughable, a stupid idea. My past, my current "life" revealed themselves to be a childish mental construct. I was all things: my surroundings where obviously an extension of an ever-present mind, "the mind", and the perspective that I was witnessing it under was nothing more than a piece of the puzzle. Everyone I encountered were "obviously" extensions of myself, different aspects of my psyche ("the mind's" psyche), divided— in an attempt to learn from "each-other", from myself (which is all things), because it is the only thing that's real. All of existence was "obviously" the meditative-introspection of an infinite mind, like a dream, and it became apparent that I was simply taking the time to view it from a single angle, like a camera mounted to an individual gear of a mental framework. I remember the whole experience vividly, and fondly.
At one point, the ceiling parted in to clouds, and I saw all the deities in a circle, happily beckoning me. And I "knew" that it was all me; that they were me. That it was myself, trying to wake this other-self from a dream that went on for longer than it should. I started to float upwards, but then fear took over and I couldn't bear the thought of never seeing my wife and daughter again; even though it was understood that I couldn't possibly lose them because they were "me" anyways.
Personally, I've made it my life-goal to obtain that state of mind again, but without the aid of psychedelics. Just lots of meditation.
Everything I've heard in person about salvia has been extremely negative, though I have read a few (very few) reports online from people who had good experiences. Do you like it? Do you have something interesting to share about it?
I wouldn't say it's positive, nor negative. But, if you smoke the extract (say.. around 12x), and have a small bowl of it (a whole bowl will light up in one hit), you will have a very intense experience.
Things that sometimes happen: becoming the couch.. or the walls. Melding with your surroundings to the point that you no longer recognize where "you" begin and your environment ends.
Also, diimension reduction (everything collapsing into a two-dimensional plane), as well as weird time-loop glitches, where you percieve the sounds of coming back more than once, giving the illusion that you skipped ahead with your perceptions of time somehow. Very disorienting.
Also, there can be a strange sensation that you might have plausibly began the trip as someone else in the room. As you get re-situated back into your own "self", you can't ever be totally sure that you were always you. Sure, you will have your memories back and all that, but there is a distinct sensation that you could have just switched places / consciousnesses.
I had good extract, and shared it with strong warnings with several people. Many of them had "bad" experiences IMHO because they didn't fully and truly respect my warnings about the experience. I don't know what they were expecting, but what they got was very often far weirder than what they were after. The first time I had a real solid salvia experience, it lasted a few minutes. I thought about it the rest of that night, trying to interpret my experience. Years and years have gone by, and I still think my knowledge of self with regard to attachment to my material physical form is most strongly informed by that experience.
I wound up trying to dig through my bathtub because I thought there was a secret underground palace made of gold. It was weird. Only lasted about 30 minutes.
Very interesting. Thanks. I did try it once many years ago but I think the extract we had was somehow bad (much weaker than it should have been). After doing a few of the biggest hits in a row that I could (since it wasn't working previously), I eventually got a massive increase in gravity, the feeling of melting into the couch, the dimensional flattening thing, and the time stuttering/looping thing (I've also experienced this time effect on psilocybin), but they only lasted for a moment and were probably way less intense than the typical successful trip. I've heard a lot of reports online and in person form people who describe the kind of entering of a black void experience the other user is writing about (though people I've talked to mostly interpreted this negatively). Do you have any reference for this experience on salvia?
Also, would you say there's a sense of meaning, "communication", "being tapped into something", etc., or "emotional significance", "emotional progress", type of experience on salvia or is it mostly just hyper-weird perceptual and cognitive effects?
I don't have any reference to the "black void" thing, and I suspect that everyone will have different experiences (or interpretations) of the transistion between states.
Regarding communication / being tapped into something, etc. I would say that my experience was not directly "spiritual". My state of mind prior to the trip was very analytical / scientific. My understanding of the universe was shattered by the experience. For the first time, I understood consciousness as something of a continuum, and that any distinctions humans make with regard to "levels" of consciousness in sentient beings are fairly arbitrary. To be clear, I came out of this experience with the idea that even a single electron can have an awareness / consciousness, albeit on a very simplistic and alien level.
My thoughts about death have been greatly influenced by this as well. I was pretty strongly atheist up until this point. I did not suddenly have an epiphany about religion, or anything like that, but I completely discarded the false certainty that I had previously held that there would be no experience after death. I'm now feel pretty certain that death is a transition. At no matter what time scales a person or being dies, the consiousness must transisition from the state of being alive, to the state of being dead. It seems to me, after this experience, that the physical material for this transisition no longer determines existence, but rather form. Further, forms which we may be less and less familiar may experience the passage of time in ways that we have not, in our human lifetimes, anticipated.
Basically, if we could somehow zoom into the "moment of death" of any particular conscious being, I expect to find something akin to the mandlebrot fractal, where there really is no defined edge at any scale. Salvia has helped me realize that the possibilities of sentient experience within arbitrarily small units of time can remain unbounded.
Mushroom trip when I was 16. During the trip my ego was fighting for it's "life" trying to keep control, making the trip unenjoyable, I finally managed to let go and everything changed, I was now "connected" to everything in existence.
When I was coming down I sat in the dark in my backyard. The wall of my yard is connected to a public carpark and have had plenty of crime problems, I was always scared and paranoid, not anymore, the ego was gone.
After woulds my priorities changed and I started searching for truth. I was a lot nicer to people and patient in general, the ego will always be with you,its a constant battle with it to better yourself and the world.
I certainly have never experienced it fully, and I've never done any psychedelics. But I have really been opening my mind and practicing meditation. I have experienced a lessening of the ego. It's still there and pops it's head in day to day, but it doesn't drive me.
Doomking_Grimlock ago
Nothing, but this is the internet and most humans are assholes. What do you want from me?
Doomking_Grimlock ago
Look man, I dunno if you're being sincere or facetious, but given that this is the internet, I know what the most likely answer is. I've done both shrooms and acid a couple of times, and this is my honest appraisal of the experience. I could google Ego Death if I really wanted to, but I don't see any reason to. Sounds like a bunch of psychological mumbo jumbo that I really don't care about.
TahTahBur ago
Never had to go to clinic myself, but have helped get friends there everyday for months on end when it got bad
TahTahBur ago
I have seen people at $60-120 a day. Clinics help. Though. They do test for thc, but their are work arounds. To prevent having doses taken down which blocks opioids. Smoking is the best medication though for a lot of people/anxiety/depression/ptsd/pain... etc.. so it's a catch 22 for a lot of states.
TahTahBur ago
Never got that... clinic hours are terrible. At the end of the day though: daily income - daily cost (clinic is probably way cheaper). Subtract that from the hours worked.
TahTahBur ago
Your doing it wrong bro, up your methadone dose. Happy Sunday
TahTahBur ago
Sounds about right
kammmmak ago
Yes. The purest "ego death" of all. The single defining trip though I did do another. It was on my own it began the journey as I had never read about it and it was the culmation and final stage of learning to see the psychedelic rainbow geometric realm and focus point as at that time I was using say once every two weeks for about 3 months or so and the seeing developed and became clearer.
There is no room for senses and especially thought to "enter" what is really a void. To enter there must be no ego thus and to be not in awe the moment it happens. To be in awe is to describe what your are looking at so is not in or of you. Like saying oh it's so beautiful seperates you from it kinda.
So the culmation trip is I took 3 blue microdots that take about 20 minutes to completely dilute on the tongue. Then smoke a tad tiny bit of pot. Then as I started I noticed that I saw more in the dark. When I closed my eyes after some time this time it was sooo more real. The colors and a fountain that slowly started to fall or more like I began to hover above and I fell into it's center and spell moving in waves of pure geometric void energy. The color was insane beautiful. The self became godhead, pure consciousness as I left my self. It was in a bar the song was Sympathy for the Devil. When the music started to come back and I regained ego conscious my head was humming and energy was streaming out the top. My hands were energy. Everybody was staring at me and I was pouring fucking tears man. Every body was like fuuccckkkkhhh because they knew somehow. My girlfriend was too. I got up and just weaved through the night and was so pure in movement. I became and am still a true believer in the power of LSD even though I stopped taking it years ago as it gave me all I needed to see and learn from it. I drew two drawings to honor it that took a few 100 hours each.
Imagine fractals but fractals of the soul, the beingness of nothing. It is real and a thing. It has a spirit taste to it which is impossible to describe really though I try.
ferfrendongles ago
Seeking ego death is impossible. It's something that happens, or it doesn't, but looking for it is more ego. I've never experienced it, and I've tried high doses of pretty much everything (even "research chemicals"), but someone I trust very much has, before we even knew what it was, and I was there. He was godly, man.
Drunkenmoba ago
Yes. I would but on phone.
nieieieee ago
i think the phrase ego death is self aggrandizing shit, but i used to be depressed and i think it was in a selfish, self important way, now i'm just happy
TahTahBur ago
You have 48 hours to find the closest methadone clinic, or cease to exist.
TahTahBur ago
Or exist on a larger scale, and fear immortality
Doomking_Grimlock ago
I dunno. I have no idea what ego death is. I do know that after each of my experiences with psychedelics, i came away with a different view of myself and who I wanted to be and how I could get there. I've also noted a marked improvement on my overall quality of life, general happiness, and how others in my day to day life view me.
Eatmuhballs ago
All I ever do on mushrooms is laugh and bang my girlfriend over and over. I get so fucking horny on shrooms. I'm atheist so I don't believe in a god and I dislike people claiming shrooms do all this spiritual nonsense and psychological nonsense. It's a good medicine that's helped me become happy and more centered but you will only find god if your looking for that dumb shit.
Dauphin ago
exactly... terrifying as everything you think you know shatters and you have to absorb a new reality. Then you realize everything is just some sort of cycle and it's beautiful. :)
Dauphin ago
Yes... true story... was living in LA... a friend gave my a bag of shrooms, she said to eat it with potato chips. I ate the entire bag (I guess I was only supposed to eat a small amount.) I wrapped myself in a white sheet and went and talked to the sun... no joke. I sat in the garden staring up into the sun for about 45 minutes. I spoke with the sun, it's alive/conscious. It is both male/female. Quite a complex entity. After that I completely changed as a person... stopped caring about what others thought of me, stopped being afraid of dying and yes, quelled the ego. I did salvia once and lived an entire lifetime as a gummy bear in a disney themed world. The world started turning like the pages of a book... I was falling from dimension to dimension. I became quite humbled of my existence afterwards. There are multiple realities/dimensions (I believe.) The most terrifying part was realizing I was disconnected to my Earth body and getting back to it was a terrifying as I had to remember who I was again for a moment... I had momentarily forgotten who I was and all my memories, yet I could fully recall hundreds of years of living as other being which occurred in the 10 minute period I was "out" on the salvia. I can not explain what happened and perhaps my mind is just playing tricks on me, but I can recall memories I should not have. Salvia is some crazy stuff.
Teflon-jersey ago
I was on mushrooms and meditating next to a stream. In the background was the mountains, covered in snow. During those moments I lost my fear of death, and came to terms that life is a cycle that no one can escape. I now live more in the present than ever.
TahTahBur ago
Who ever you think you are, because of all the things you have done that make you, you. No longer exists.
TahTahBur ago
Hey @zyklon-b, why is everyone talking about waffles?
bubbleki ago
Ego death is nothing more than the true and honest realization that you will die. Psychedelics can do that because they strip away the layers of bullshit.
enormousatom ago
Third time I did mushrooms. Truly religious experience and my ego death. I am not religious in any organized sense but it seems to be the only word that fits for the experience I had. Agree, it only happens once. Once you are able to experience something like that, walling yourself up again is not typical.
superesper ago
Without getting into the hard to describe perceptual and mystical effects, acid sees to me like a sort of flow-enhancer. It enables you to get on a super improbable streak of thought connections, comedic timing, athletic feats and things like that, and one kind of streak you can get on is the "spiritual realization", or "transcendence" streak that will take you to some amazing places.
I would like to try DMT again. The first time I did it I was feeling kind of weak physically and it hit me so fast I wasn't able to even smoke it very effectively before I was lightyears away. On your ego death trip did you experience any of the "adventure" aspect some people seem to report, like seeing beings, cities, other places etc., or was it just a pure inconceivable psychedelic zone kind of thing?
aLegoInYourShoe ago
No, but through thinking and reading.
Artofchoke ago
When you get overwhelmed with the pain and shadow, pull out the Tool album 'Lateralus' and take a listen, it will improve your mood, and improve any psychedelic experience. Haven't ever come across such an existentially uplifting album. 💖
superesper ago
Noted. I may try it some time, though I don't really feel any need to do any psychedelics or try anything new at the moment. Would you compare anything about it to psilocybin, LSD, or DMT? Also, what level of extract would you recommend?
Artofchoke ago
I don't know what ego really means, but my identity became fluid to me. Not that gender shit or anything simple, but that I have trouble separating myself from strangers, for both good and ill. I feel emotionally connected to every goddamn living thing, and while its brought a lot of crazy adventure and love into my life, it's a curse. Every joy is my joy, but so is every pain, and holy shit, there's a lot of fucking pain.
Islamiscancer ago
DMT.
If Ego Death refers to ones willingness (or unwillingness) to give up the pursuit of vain self interests and truly believe they are not the centre kf their own universe and that we are all as equal to one another as we are too cats and dogs too.
Then yes, i did experience that after my first time smoking DMT.
Life was never the same after that night. And the subsequent times afterwards where i used DMT and other psychotics added clarity to what i had first seen that night.
However psylocibin and LSD are different experiences.
The most profound of all experiences throughout my "experience with drugs" has been with DMT.
I highly recommend but also condemn DMT. It is not a drug for the weak of mind. It is not a drug for the weak of spirit.
It will change you.
superesper ago
I mean, you can say "yes it's good" but that's definitely not true in general. I've heard multiple stories from people who have a lot of experience with strong psychedelics about salvia being an absolute nightmare. From what I gather this is the most common perspective on the substance by a pretty wide margin.
cointelpro_shill ago
no. every time i take drugs my ego gets bigger
Mad_Dog91 ago
Sounds like a plan. Will report tomorrow
Artofchoke ago
Me too, I love trip reports! 💖
Mad_Dog91 ago
Nice. And thanx
ponchoman275 ago
Well plenty of people realize that without psychidelics. What you described is just our modern standard scientific understanding of how matter, space etc. work.
This definition from Timothy Leary is better, albeit a bit hard to understand:
Ego loss is complete transcendence − beyond words, beyond space−time, beyond self. There are no visions, no sense of self, no thoughts. There are only pure awareness and ecstatic freedom from all game (and biological) involvements. ["Games" are behavioral sequences defined by roles, rules, rituals, goals, strategies, values, language, characteristic space−time locations and characteristic patterns of movement. Any behavior not having these nine features is non− game: this includes physiological reflexes, spontaneous play, and transcendent awareness.
Or another definition:
Ego death is the cessation, in the intense mystic altered state, of the sense and feeling of being a control-wielding agent moving through time and space. The sensation of wielding control is replaced by the experience of being helplessly, powerlessly embedded in spacetime as purely a product of spacetime, with control-thoughts being perceptibly inserted or set into the stream of thought by a hidden, uncontrollable source.
So your definiton is correct, but an understatement in my opinion. It's more intense than that but I understand that it's hard to put in words.
KoKansei ago
The second definition is not too shabby.
Mad_Dog91 ago
That's the power of psychedelics and exposing your brain to think in ways you naturally wouldn't. It's been about 4 months I got some mazapatec shroomies I'll be taking tonight most likely 😋🍄
8_billion_eaters ago
...once I got so drunk I lost my id.
Mad_Dog91 ago
You are humbled by the universe and everything's existence. You notice a connection to everything while seeing how so many things are insignificant at the same time. Then the peak is gone and days later you're either back to your old self or a changed person
8_billion_eaters ago
The more you learn, the more difficult it is to go back.
rail606 ago
Or burning some sage will relax you as well if you don't want to make a cocktail of chemicals in your body and go with a more herbal route.
rail606 ago
I ate about 16g of shrooms over 1.5hrs because I was curious when i was 16(young and stupid) and broke my wrist climbing in through a window haha. I couldn't even understand
Englishor see farther then 5 feet in front of me when we were walking around outside. After I snaped my wrist coming in through a window(lol sneaking so parents didn't know we were out.) Breaking the bone instantly took me out of it. Broken bone is pretty good way to trip end fast haha.I did experience about 3-4 hours and a shit ton of puking around the 3 hour mark before I rboke my wrist though. Never been the same person since haha. When you get that far out its almost like you just cease to exist and its scary at first but my mind is pretty strong willed and i just embraced it which brings about a serene feeling. Kind of weird was scared of going inside and tripping inside because i was tripping so hard that I managed to break my wrist and end my trip. Spooky synchronicity haha. I have to way many synchronicities on psychedelics.
Think of person you saw earlier at concert: they appear seeming out of nowhere in a crowd of 5k people. This will happen with the same person 2-3 times never actually saying a word to them. Tons of weird meaningful coincidence. I have had many more events in my earlier days of exploration. Mostly meditate now as I don't feel I can gain much more from psychedelics. I have gained tons of personal growth but there is a limit to what psychedelics can do and they are mostly shitty research chemicals nowadays(no growth). It was time to hit the books and go to college.
superesper ago
I used to do that. I think it was wrong. People will do things when it's time for them to do them. If someone asks me what I think about a certain drug or whether it's safe or a good idea to do it, I'll tell them my true opinion, which may be positive or negative. But evangelizing drug use and trying to get people to do things they're not inclined to do and not ready for is a bad idea I think.
PoundSign_999 ago
I would say the ego destruction part happens every time to varying degrees. The first time you experience this it could be quite disconcerting as your mind will no longer be exerting energy trying to maintain the false ego. If you are all wrapped up in yourself, this may be an unwelcome feeling. I'd try some guided meditation as a prelude so that you get used to the one-ness of your environment.
superesper ago
No and I think most people who use the phrase "ego death" to describe their experiences are just throwing it around without any understanding of what it might mean or what it might have meant to the people who popularized the term. Most people who I've heard use the term have not been very intelligent, and have used it casually like it's just something that happens whenever you take a normal dose of whatever kind of psychedelic. I think it's also unhelpful that the word ego has very different meanings, both of which could apply to some aspect of psychedelic experience. Ego can mean an arrogant, self absorbed characteristic of the personality, or, as the people who popularized "ego death" probably meant by it, the first person, self-identified perspective.
I've experienced some states that were so bizarre and inconceivable and of a completely other kind from the mundane state of mind that it's completely impossible to communicate anything about them (if you want to get some idea of a state like that, a very easy, low risk, low cost way is nitrous oxide, i.e. whippets, from a cartridge, with a cracker. You can easily get completely out of your body and unable to process information or understand your own perspective in any kind of normal way with a single whippet. That being said, I don't encourage anyone to do drugs. If you want to do them, do them, if you don't, don't. Make your own decisions.) but even in the most confusing states, and even in states with an explicit sense of identification with things outside myself, including sober meditation experiences, the fact that I am having a first person oriented experience always remains there at some level. I'm sure people end up in states where that's not the case but I think it's probably pretty rare and/or accompanied by an inability to remember the event.
TheTrigger ago
I took somewhere between a quarter-to-a-half ounce of mushrooms, once, have an IQ of ~140 depending on who's test you ask, and am decently well-read in psychological theory: yes, I've experienced 100%, unfiltered, unabashed, undeniable ego death. I became the universe. I became existence itself. "I" was not "myself". There was no "I". The concept of "I" became a silly joke, laughable, a stupid idea. My past, my current "life" revealed themselves to be a childish mental construct. I was all things: my surroundings where obviously an extension of an ever-present mind, "the mind", and the perspective that I was witnessing it under was nothing more than a piece of the puzzle. Everyone I encountered were "obviously" extensions of myself, different aspects of my psyche ("the mind's" psyche), divided— in an attempt to learn from "each-other", from myself (which is all things), because it is the only thing that's real. All of existence was "obviously" the meditative-introspection of an infinite mind, like a dream, and it became apparent that I was simply taking the time to view it from a single angle, like a camera mounted to an individual gear of a mental framework. I remember the whole experience vividly, and fondly.
At one point, the ceiling parted in to clouds, and I saw all the deities in a circle, happily beckoning me. And I "knew" that it was all me; that they were me. That it was myself, trying to wake this other-self from a dream that went on for longer than it should. I started to float upwards, but then fear took over and I couldn't bear the thought of never seeing my wife and daughter again; even though it was understood that I couldn't possibly lose them because they were "me" anyways.
Personally, I've made it my life-goal to obtain that state of mind again, but without the aid of psychedelics. Just lots of meditation.
Interpret that information however you'd like.
belphegorsprime ago
Salvia.
superesper ago
Everything I've heard in person about salvia has been extremely negative, though I have read a few (very few) reports online from people who had good experiences. Do you like it? Do you have something interesting to share about it?
belphegorsprime ago
I wouldn't say it's positive, nor negative. But, if you smoke the extract (say.. around 12x), and have a small bowl of it (a whole bowl will light up in one hit), you will have a very intense experience.
Things that sometimes happen: becoming the couch.. or the walls. Melding with your surroundings to the point that you no longer recognize where "you" begin and your environment ends.
Also, diimension reduction (everything collapsing into a two-dimensional plane), as well as weird time-loop glitches, where you percieve the sounds of coming back more than once, giving the illusion that you skipped ahead with your perceptions of time somehow. Very disorienting.
Also, there can be a strange sensation that you might have plausibly began the trip as someone else in the room. As you get re-situated back into your own "self", you can't ever be totally sure that you were always you. Sure, you will have your memories back and all that, but there is a distinct sensation that you could have just switched places / consciousnesses.
I had good extract, and shared it with strong warnings with several people. Many of them had "bad" experiences IMHO because they didn't fully and truly respect my warnings about the experience. I don't know what they were expecting, but what they got was very often far weirder than what they were after. The first time I had a real solid salvia experience, it lasted a few minutes. I thought about it the rest of that night, trying to interpret my experience. Years and years have gone by, and I still think my knowledge of self with regard to attachment to my material physical form is most strongly informed by that experience.
Grifter42 ago
I wound up trying to dig through my bathtub because I thought there was a secret underground palace made of gold. It was weird. Only lasted about 30 minutes.
superesper ago
Very interesting. Thanks. I did try it once many years ago but I think the extract we had was somehow bad (much weaker than it should have been). After doing a few of the biggest hits in a row that I could (since it wasn't working previously), I eventually got a massive increase in gravity, the feeling of melting into the couch, the dimensional flattening thing, and the time stuttering/looping thing (I've also experienced this time effect on psilocybin), but they only lasted for a moment and were probably way less intense than the typical successful trip. I've heard a lot of reports online and in person form people who describe the kind of entering of a black void experience the other user is writing about (though people I've talked to mostly interpreted this negatively). Do you have any reference for this experience on salvia?
Also, would you say there's a sense of meaning, "communication", "being tapped into something", etc., or "emotional significance", "emotional progress", type of experience on salvia or is it mostly just hyper-weird perceptual and cognitive effects?
belphegorsprime ago
I don't have any reference to the "black void" thing, and I suspect that everyone will have different experiences (or interpretations) of the transistion between states.
Regarding communication / being tapped into something, etc. I would say that my experience was not directly "spiritual". My state of mind prior to the trip was very analytical / scientific. My understanding of the universe was shattered by the experience. For the first time, I understood consciousness as something of a continuum, and that any distinctions humans make with regard to "levels" of consciousness in sentient beings are fairly arbitrary. To be clear, I came out of this experience with the idea that even a single electron can have an awareness / consciousness, albeit on a very simplistic and alien level.
My thoughts about death have been greatly influenced by this as well. I was pretty strongly atheist up until this point. I did not suddenly have an epiphany about religion, or anything like that, but I completely discarded the false certainty that I had previously held that there would be no experience after death. I'm now feel pretty certain that death is a transition. At no matter what time scales a person or being dies, the consiousness must transisition from the state of being alive, to the state of being dead. It seems to me, after this experience, that the physical material for this transisition no longer determines existence, but rather form. Further, forms which we may be less and less familiar may experience the passage of time in ways that we have not, in our human lifetimes, anticipated.
Basically, if we could somehow zoom into the "moment of death" of any particular conscious being, I expect to find something akin to the mandlebrot fractal, where there really is no defined edge at any scale. Salvia has helped me realize that the possibilities of sentient experience within arbitrarily small units of time can remain unbounded.
Firinmahlazer ago
I think a little after I took LSD but I never did have a big ego anyway. Easily my favorite drug.
1WinfieldBlue ago
I don't think I could explain, but I'll try.
Mushroom trip when I was 16. During the trip my ego was fighting for it's "life" trying to keep control, making the trip unenjoyable, I finally managed to let go and everything changed, I was now "connected" to everything in existence.
When I was coming down I sat in the dark in my backyard. The wall of my yard is connected to a public carpark and have had plenty of crime problems, I was always scared and paranoid, not anymore, the ego was gone.
After woulds my priorities changed and I started searching for truth. I was a lot nicer to people and patient in general, the ego will always be with you,its a constant battle with it to better yourself and the world.
middle_path ago
I certainly have never experienced it fully, and I've never done any psychedelics. But I have really been opening my mind and practicing meditation. I have experienced a lessening of the ego. It's still there and pops it's head in day to day, but it doesn't drive me.