Thinchick ago

The fact that you keep defending your ass backwards stance lets me know you are beyond help.

Mr_Sir ago

Seriously, she is no where to be found.

I find the manhood101 posts to be hilarious.

DoucheBagMcGee ago

Come on over to /v/AskGoats! It's an uphill battle, but I think we got this. I just made it like an hour ago, so any users I can steal from that other, SJW sub would be awesome!

TypicalBetaNeckbeard ago

There is /v/askgoat and /v/askvoat2 already though. Good luck with yours, let the best one win.

PM-me-about-Autism ago

I suspect @atko will let whoever is most successful out of the askvoat replacements replace them.

Good luck.

SpaceRosa ago

No, he was referring to me as supposedly an active poster there as far as I can tell.

PiercingAjarDolphin ago

Thank you for exposing this. Atko needs to change the ToS to disallow brigading bullshit and then ban the everloving fuck out of that sub. It's one thing to ban ideas, but to ban fucking trolls and disrupt communication is another thing entirely.

123_456 ago

I've seen that. I guess it is sort of a brigade, but it seems like it's being used to balance out opinions, and to encourage dissent, and off colored opinions. I don't believe the aim is to fuck up the community.

gatordontplaythatsht ago

Even if that's not the aim, that's what it does.

SpaceRosa ago

Active members? I can't speak for the others, but I've only posted in there to question its purpose. Stop twisting it. Stop trying to witch hunt people. You're just trying to dig up shit and generate ill will towards people.

Stoic ago

I Don't decide, the community who does the upvoting does.

squataclops ago

So inciting a brigade isn't as bad as taking part in it, even though you started it to begin with? I'm not bashing just don't get the logic behind it I guess. I'll just mind my own business and make sure the subs I'm involved in don't turn that way and would ask you keep your people out of them.

gatordontplaythatsht ago

I made a post there asking for a counter-brigade on an Amalek post. It did get into the negatives, but that's because I was out of the loop and didn't know he was just a spamming troll.

You're admitting to manipulating the community right now, I hope you know that.

LittleBobbyTables ago

This needs to be monitored for sure. The rest of this thread this individual goes on to literally describe the sub and purpose of the group collective (a hive-mind growing that they refer to as "we") using what exactly fits the definition of "brigading" (although trying to suggest somehow it isn't ) and all the while suggesting that somehow it is ok for them because they are doing it on the metric of "quality" rather than "content" (like that fucking has any significance or changes things). Clearly this is a group of individuals who believe that they have the right idea about what constitutes "quality" content on this site and they somehow need to enforce how it is viewed. Those that partake in such activities on here while simultaneously serving as moderators of other subs just flat out reeks of conflict of interest at best and SRS-like behavior at worst.

BANGcake ago

Unfortunately I don't believe there are any rules against brigading.

Since I'm getting down voted off like to clarify that I disagree with brigading. But as far as I know there really aren't any rules against it. Check the User Agreement yourself.

gatordontplaythatsht ago

I didn't down vote you.

BANGcake ago

Don't know or care who it was just wanted to put the link up so people can see for themselves.

Thinchick ago

You care a little. Don't lie. You made an edit to your post based on the ONE downvoat you had.

BANGcake ago

K.

CANCEL-CAT-FACTS ago

They even announce it in their sidebar --

/v/disagreebutton is a verse that can be called into action when someone is being downvoted for having a dissenting opinion. Unless it was edited, we will either restore the comment with the points it deserved or futher downvote it if quality or politeness were lacking

gatordontplaythatsht ago

Literally the most SRS thing I've seen on voat yet, and @stoic is defending it.

gatordontplaythatsht ago

So just going to deliberately ignore that my point is valid, and bring up the subscriber number? Talk about a terrible argument.

gatordontplaythatsht ago

I'm sure the members of the sub aren't going to said threads and down voting the users that were in disagreement right, I mean that would never happen right?

/s

gatordontplaythatsht ago

Afaik @atko is against vote manipulation.

umyeahnope ago

Serious question: are downvoats now easy enough to earn that brigading is an easy thing?

mindful ago

That's true and a problem. Do you have any idea to stop this kind of behaviour? I mean, banning subs and users left and right is not a good idea and would harm Voat. Raising CCP's even higher might only discourage new users and not solve the problem.

escape ago

Holy shit. What the fuck is wrong with the mods on this website?!

mindful ago

Does anybode have an statement from Atko about vote manipulation?

This announcement by him was the only official thing i could find that talks about it. It's does not make clear if it is illegal on voat, he just opens with:

"Today I finally had some time to catch up on long-overdue anti-vote-manipulation mechanism which voat was lacking."

which in my view makes clear that vote-manipulation is something he is trying to stop.

The behaviour which /u/Stoic and the whole /u/disagreebutton sub promotes is should have no place here on voat. It may be hard to track vote-manipulation and prohibit it, but a subverse which outright promotes this kind of stuff should not be supported here.

What should we do about this?

Stoic ago

Voat manipulation is people making threads to get points to cross the downvote limit and at that time mostly the upvote limit. You were limited to 10 upvotes per 24 hours until you got 100 CCP which was hard to get at that time, such that those threads popped up all the time-- which was what Atko was referring to. Also the OP is trying to start a baseless witchhunt on the basis of suggesting it is a SJW sub.

Copypasta from before: Once upon a time (one month ago) this was a wildy popular idea. /v/disagreebutton is apolitical, meant to combat the toxic atmosphere that we all knew from Reddit to remove dissent. It isn't a SJW sub, which is what you are suggesting it is.

It's not a brigading sub that downvotes comments, but upvotes those that got downvoted for dissenting (not for having a poor quality). If a post doesn't adhere to what the sub it is posted in considers a quality post, then it should be ignored or if it's shitty downvoted. Quality being not a matter of how eloquent you are: you can't post an essay about quantum mechanics in /v/funny and then post it in /v/disagreebutton expecting it to be restored.

Don't pretend like the abuse of the downvote button to silence dissent isn't a problem, that it is a SJW sub and like /v/disagreebutton can't solve that problem. If the majority likes to be naïve in thinking Voaters wont abuse the downvote button and that we are better than Redditors, then i'll delete it.

ra1n ago

He calls it vote manipulation while you call it voat manipulation. I just want to make sure you're not talking about different things. Atkos comment is obviously not limited to people wanting to avoid the system, its simply a measure against people creating alt accounts to manipulate votes which also happens to fix the limit-evading problem. Either way, it's a necessary addition just as it was on reddit

It's not a brigading sub that downvotes comments

the subverse says

we will either restore the comment with the points it deserved or futher downvote it if quality or politeness were lacking.

This is pretty comical. Don't have a good explanation for this part or is it just a honest fuck up?

Stoic ago

No, if the comment lacks quality then we'll downvote it like any other comment that lacks quality. Again, read comment in the top of this thread. It isn't what the OP suggests it is.

NateThomas1979 ago

I'm not sure how you equate getting a group of people to agree upon a course of action for a comment and then proceeding to do so... that doing so is not 'vote brigading'. That's the virtual definition of a 'vote brigade' whether it is a postive or a negative brigade, it is still a concerted effort to skew the communities opinion of a comment.

Stoic ago

getting a group of people to agree upon a course of action for a comment and then proceeding to do so

But this doesn't happen. Comments often (actually mostly) get downvoted even further. People decide for themselves.

we will either restore the comment with the points it deserved or futher downvote it if quality or politeness were lacking.

ra1n ago

People decide for themselves.

What is the point of this sub? There wouldn't be one unless it has a biased subscriber base

And what about the comments you downvote just for being rude?

NateThomas1979 ago

I guess I'm focusing on the word "we" which implies that it's a mutually agreed upon course of action.

We is a plural term so I read it as the entire sub is working as a group.

Stoic ago

But we vote on quality not on content, in order to protect that content.

NateThomas1979 ago

You need to ask if you are voting as a group or if you are bringing attention to a post. The two are much different actions. If you are voting separately and doing nothing more than bringing attention to something it's no different than /v/bestof. However if you are voting as a group, whether it is voting on quality OR voting on content it is by the very definition a 'brigade'.

gatordontplaythatsht ago

Also the OP is trying to start a baseless witchhunt on the basis of suggesting it is a SJW sub.

This is like the 100th time I've had the witch hunt thing thrown at me, this isn't a witch hunt you're modding a sub that promotes the very thing most of us left reddit for: corruption. You are encouraging like minded people to join you in upvoting people the community has down voted, you want to manipulate our community!

The fact that you can't see that, and are defending it is quite disturbing, this is no witch hunt, it's me trying to make sure this site isn't over run by "well meaning" bullshit like /v/disagreebutton. Please take down the sub.

12_Years_A_Toucan ago

You literally run a witch hunt sub

gatordontplaythatsht ago

My sub is neither illegal, nor against site rules. It is specifically stated to simply be a list. I am not responsible for any site users response to what is simply information. On that same logic I could call the very public comments you've made about me here a witch hunt, but I am not so weak to need to.

12_Years_A_Toucan ago

My sub is neither illegal, nor against site rules

Never claimed it was.

Two comments, one directly to you and one to the subject of your post, both in a post you made could in no way be construed as witch hunting. You are attempting to create a hub in which people may find and target people they disagree with, huge difference.

gatordontplaythatsht ago

No I'm creating awareness of corruption that takes place on Internet forums when moderators collude to obtain power over content. Voats premise is freedom of speech and allowing poor or power seeking moderators fosters the opposite of voats stated goal.

Srs and communities like theirs thrive on controlling content and empowering their own to seek more control, Srs in and of itself is really just an umbrella of users with a common cause who have notoriously molded forums like reddit voat somethingawful digg and others, and most, if not all of those sites content suffer from a style and ideology of moderation that is incorrect and biased.

*modded not molded

Stoic ago

Once upon a time (one month ago) this was a wildy popular idea. /v/disagreebutton is apolitical, meant to combat the toxic atmosphere that we all knew from Reddit to remove dissent. It isn't a SJW sub, which is what you are suggesting it is.

It's not a brigading sub that downvotes comments, but upvotes those that got downvoted for dissenting (not for having a poor quality). If a post doesn't adhere to what the sub it is posted in considers a quality post, then it should be ignored or if it's shitty downvoted. Quality being not a matter of how eloquent you are: you can't post an essay about quantum mechanics in /v/funny and then post it in /v/disagreebutton expecting it to be restored.

Don't pretend like the abuse of the downvote button to silence dissent isn't a problem, that it is a SJW sub and like /v/disagreebutton can't solve that problem. If the majority likes to be naïve in thinking Voaters wont abuse the downvote button and that we are better than Redditors, then i'll delete it.

You are trying to start a baseless witchhunt by trying to relate me to srs, and I find it immoral that you have done this. Because you either haven't investigated the intent of the sub and just write harmful stuff about someone without knowing your stuff, or you are lying.

Edit: You claim to have found a connection between people defending /u/she (meaning they are SJW's) and people being active on /v/disagreebutton. But @Spacerosa was and is strongly against /v/disagreebutton.

12_Years_A_Toucan ago

Edit: You claim to have found a connection between people defending /u/she[ +3 ] (meaning they are SJW's) and people being active on /v/disagreebutton. But @Spacerosa[ +8 ] was and is strongly against /v/disagreebutton.

As a mod of both /v/FatPeopleHate and /v/SJWhate I have also defended @she from this ridiculous witch hunt. This shit is insane and needs to stop, the community is making a fool of them selves and going against the heart of Voat out of fear and misplaced anger. the OP @gatordontplaythatsht also runs a witch hunt sub that is totes not a witch hunt sub guise ;) /v/reportSRS

gatordontplaythatsht ago

I stand behind the content and direction of my sub.

PiercingAjarDolphin ago

The road toe hell is paved with good intentions. The second you start brigading, that's the second I call you out for being yet another SJW. And yes, I don't care what you brigade about, your problem is just like with the SJWs, you think you're above everyone else and can decide what we should think. I say no to that.

SpaceRosa ago

SJWs aren't the only ones that brigade, you know. You can be a brigader and not an SJW.

PiercingAjarDolphin ago

The problem is that the term SJW is kind of fluid now. The SRS fempire started with the madness and now it's getting congatious to the point where other fringe groups are beginning to act identical. So to me, anyone that acts like the SRS fempire is an SJW now. I don't really care if you're from coontown, redpill, SRS or black rights, the second you start harassing and brigading others, I'll label you an SJW.

Because the way I see it now, SJWs are people who merely think they're fighting for social justice, but in reality they're the same kind of crazy. And we need to get rid of that crazy or any rational discussion on anything is just going to crumble.

EIMR ago

It is still vote brigading. The end does not justify the means.

blackblarneystone ago

OP is a butthurt, rabble-rousing little bitch that accuses people of being shills, etc., if you don't agree with them.

im really tired of this shit, its a handful of noisy individuals i see over and over trying to create drama

Stoic ago

I'm considering quitting because these guys are taking the fun out of moderating and I think they could mean the end of Voat. They don't realize they are SJW's themselves.

gatordontplaythatsht ago

Please quit.

blackblarneystone ago

i'm wondering if they do realize it. like, either a shitty stunt, or intentional agitators

sgx191316 ago

So you're imagining someone dissenting and getting downvoted, that dissent being posted to your sub to get people to upvote them, and you really think the person they're disagreeing with won't get downvoted in turn? I guarantee that's what will happen. People will browse the topics, find something they think didn't deserve to get downvoted because they agree with it, then go upvote the posts they agree with and downvote everyone who has the opposite position.

gatordontplaythatsht ago

Don't pretend like the abuse of the downvote button to silence dissent isn't a problem

You're literally making my point for me, /v/disagreebutton is literally abuse of the down vote and up vote. You logic is flawed, voting wasn't what destroyed reddit, it was corrupt moderation and administration. Your sub is not a "popular" idea, it's practically empty and lacking any real support, and for good reason; it's a bad idea, badly implemented and biased as it could possibly be. Please take the sub down.

gatordontplaythatsht ago

I think it's a terrible idea, and people should up or down vote however they like. I totally disagree with that down voat as a disagree button nonsense and think the community is fine with the voting system as is. Please remove the sub.

mindful ago

Although the sub seems to be an anti-vote-manipulation-manipulation this in itself is still a manipulation.

It isn't a SJW sub, which is what you are suggesting it is.

That's not exactly what /u/gatordontplaythatsht said. He said:

/v/disagreebutton is a sub modded by @stoic designed around manipulating votes on comments they deem should be higher or lower (srs anyone?)

I'm not sure how to exactly differentiate between SRS and SJW's. But isn't SRS a subreddit and SJW a term for an individual? Even if they overlap in some views, it's not the same.

If the majority likes to be naïve in thinking Voaters wont abuse the downvote button and that we are better than Redditors, then i'll delete it.

You can't prohibit people from abusing downvote's. Atko at least tried to make it harder for people to downvote. I don't think your approach is the right way to the problem, though i don't have a suggestion myself.

mrgreengenes_ ago

It's almost as active as your sex life LOLOL! :) U MAD?

BANGcake ago

I can't find any rules in the User Agreement about vote manipulation but I think that brigading/vote manipulation does not meet the expectations of this community.

Mr_Sir ago

oh gawd, not this manhood101 shit again.

Mr_Sir ago

I just love how much time and energy you guys put into this. thanks for the post, made me laugh.

gatordontplaythatsht ago

They're trying to manipulate voting by linking to instances where they disagree with how the community has voted, as far as I know that is a blatant violation of vote manipulation rules.

TalkingAnimal ago

It's kind of silly when you think about it. You can't really enforce what an upvoat or downvoat is for. If someone says, "Hey, here's a post you may think doesn't contribute to the community, check it out," and a bunch of people go there, agree it doesn't contribute to the community, and downvoat it, that meets the definition of "brigading," yet that seems like a perfectly logical thing to allow. I mean, that's essentially what /v/bestof is, except in reverse.